Advice, please, any and all accepted
Hi all, FTP, LTL, PBG! I have had enough of the state of the United Kingdom - not to mention the many other states across, around, and inside the globe some call Earth. Those yet to be formed, and those beginning to form, in the near Earth environment must not be excluded from our development as a collective. I would like to be advised of my chances of establishing a United Kingdoms organisation, tasked with maintaining human endeavours appropriately, distinctly and in conjunction, with only a 100% agreement allowing the exclusion of an artifact or ideal from the knowledge-base we share. I'm really eager to outpace the UK general elections, any ideas around what can be done to inch towards the above much appreciated! Sincerely, and some love, Gaz/schmooster/Gareth On 3 May 2017 20:00, <cypherpunks-request@lists.cpunks.org> wrote: Send cypherpunks mailing list submissions to cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cypherpunks-request@lists.cpunks.org You can reach the person managing the list at cypherpunks-owner@lists.cpunks.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cypherpunks digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: What is the value of the State? (Zenaan Harkness) 2. Re: What is the value of the State? (Zenaan Harkness) 3. Re: What is the value of the State? (Steve Kinney) 4. My piece on Barrett Brown's release yesterday (Douglas Lucas) 5. [MONEY] [WAR] [BOLIVIA] - Evo Morales "Banks control the world" (Zenaan Harkness) 6. Re: What is the value of the State? (\0xDynamite) 7. Re: What is the value of the State? (\0xDynamite) 8. Re: What is the value of the State? (\0xDynamite) 9. [CypherPunks] Event Invitation (May 23, 2017 - New York, New York) (Joshua) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 10:46:48 +1000 From: Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: What is the value of the State? Message-ID: <20170503004648.GB30251@x220-a02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 03:50:51PM -0500, \0xDynamite wrote:
That's some good bit o' history. I was really referring to the level of existing order needed to create *more* levels of order.
E.g "create tech to fly to Mars" and stuff?
I don't think it's possible to argue with that.
Humans have no problems organising themselves to create technology. Never have. But can humans organise themselves to stop collectively dominating the individual when the individuals harms no one else and damages no property? History tells us the answer to this question is generally "no, humans will almost always collectively blame externals for any and every perceived problem". ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 10:40:49 +1000 From: Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> To: "\\0xDynamite" <dreamingforward@gmail.com> Cc: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: What is the value of the State? Message-ID: <20170503004049.GA30251@x220-a02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 01:41:16PM +0000, \0xDynamite wrote:
How does anarchy provide the high-level of organization needed to produce a car?
Humans have this funny habit of organising themselves, through conversation into action, to meet actual needs or desires. "Social animals" and all..
Seriously, the problem is not, has never been and never will be, lack of self-interest motivation to create trinkets and "wealth", sadly.
Yet, they haven't "self-organized" to come together and FIX the problem in their own self-interest, have they? So there either is an error in the analysis or there is some EXISTENTIALLY OTHER force that prevents it that is not of this world --otherwise they would come together and knock it down. But because of it's other-dimensional nature, it is completley "invisibile" to them or unfamiliar, and don't know how to approach the problem.
Yes - notwithstanding ones preferred conception of the problem, or the source of the problem, what's an approach to tackling that which we struggle to put into words and apparently affects "most people"? For starters, can we identify attributes/experiences on a personal level which verify or point to, this problem? I'm thinking confront - when one is intercepted by police for something trivial like driving 9km/hr over "the speed limit", and one decides to boldly speak to said police and firmly put them in their immoral place (in the conversation that is) - one can tend to experience certain physiological twitches, gut-based electricity flows, and or a mild heat rising through the spine. This, and an endless litany of examples I'm sure you could come up with, is adequately described by the term "confront". So when the individual is confronted, something is "going down" to use a colloquialism. Confront is therefore an actual identifier for "many things that could take books to describe". But, rather than spend books so describing and dissecting, can we take this confront, and do something useful with it? The journey of life, one's 'choices' and pathway through life are a very personal thing of course, but we have a fundamental collective problem: Most people want to not confront the bully, and are not aware that a little bit of individual action, done by many at a collective level, can shift "the problems instituted by our system/ The State etc" in very good ways. And as a side benefit, walking head first (but calmly) into those little confronts where really, truth ought be spoken to power, often leads to really enjoyable electrical flows and sensations in the body which may commonly be associated with the words happiness, joy, satisfaction and a deep and abiding peace and comfort. In this time of the bully running rampant (police, taxation, forced medical procedures, courts/legal bullying, etc) the opportunities for personal growth and personal discovery are truly abundant. :) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 21:32:56 -0400 From: Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: What is the value of the State? Message-ID: <a3747f71-a757-1eee-d0d2-31eb3e9b121e@pilobilus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/02/2017 05:39 PM, \0xDynamite wrote:
But I like the sentiment. I think the problem is more than the State. It's the pathetic infrastructure that would be an eyesore for centuries.
Bear in mind that the "State" is a model of governance, not a synonym for governance. It is a failed model, as witness the Anthropocene Era's mass extinction even in progress and the pending human population crash.
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The solution, then, is a META-state. A system of order bigger and better than the State.
Given that hierarchal power structures enabled and enforced by the State are the major cause of the greatest collective problems faced by the human race, the solution to the greatest collective problems faced by the human race is a bigger more powerful State! The logic behind this is self evident and inescapable. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJZCTNIAAoJEECU6c5Xzmuq8X8IAIt8Kp+Zja/VWcw7Y79H+kOW 1cGoXvlJZYGRITxWifeHjwD/sw41KGdveVHdymk9JXXTvoiIzQhOx7L31FOBczat adJhjiI9fvOOD0iYocgKspmAvSKJWUSH1GA9Gl4pmm4aQYpmkqVP27K/O6PJq3CL AnBKKuEY5w4+lovgiuHtGaEby/KJHUUBy3XJQfCsdiqTAr+5jzsqyLcOuNcVW+Ic BFie4bVxNGnjUdrcc2wz8QLfGNypjZxRU83+LJ3yuBjcHP0LM8+ROV8PQkD1sVQR c/jEZnRK5LmeBj2NMVrB8xkRF16VxMRgy3i9x2a9waeftnUpuzXhWBqc8KkCezU= =b744 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 19:15:53 -0700 From: Douglas Lucas <dal@riseup.net> To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: My piece on Barrett Brown's release yesterday Message-ID: <cd0e717a-8379-5805-1f76-2e821a199bf5@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 https://thecryptosphere.com/2017/05/01/barrett-brown-released-from-prison/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 13:11:50 +1000 From: Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> To: CypherPunks <cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org> Subject: [MONEY] [WAR] [BOLIVIA] - Evo Morales "Banks control the world" Message-ID: <20170503031150.GC30251@x220-a02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii More and more, a few public figures are speaking out. Some spoke too soon and tried to shift their country "unilaterally against USA/ banks' interests" like Gadhafi/Qaddafi of Lybia and without a proper unity with other nations/ other peoples. The forces/ intentions/ powers involved, are too great and too ruthless for a nation such as Lybia or Syria without support of another that would support for a "multi polar" "many powers" world, against the one world order of the Rothschild's one world banking order. Evo Morales: take note of the Saddams and the Qaddafis now gone - your "independence" must be in action with others also obtaining/ retaining their independence, and not alone. This might be stating the obvious, but the obvious weren't so obvious to Qaddafi, to Saddam and to many before them. China has rolled over to the comfort of the IMF and World Bank, although keeping a toe in with Russia and the BRICS NDB, as well as hedging with their own AIIB/Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank - but how independent they are, and how intertwined with the IMF, I don't know. Ultimately the current money interests wish to retain their power and authority, and what we witness appears to be possibly just factional fighting between the existing "moneyed powers" or authorities, what some call the "banking families". They fight ruthlessly, and completely unfairly, at every turn. So, what are the binds/ intertwining of the NDB and the AIIB? Are these entities beneficial in the long term, or are we witnessing mere factional fights and nothing more than the long term persistence of the enslavement of humanity? Can digital currencies generate "faith" in their "reality" enough to shift the enslavement (debt based) regime on this planet for any significant number of humans? Are there enough humans even considering such long term questions and considerations to be able to effect any significant shift? ** Bolivia Drops Truth Bomb: Independent Monetary Policy Is Key to National Sovereignty http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u= fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f&id=34a35f6f6d&e=5110f4b440 ------------------------------------------------------------ by RI Staff on Tue, May 2, 2017 Bolivia is one of the few countries left on Earth that has the cojones to tell it like it is. We witnessed some much needed truth-telling last month when Bolivia's ambassador to the UN deconstructed Nikki Haley's word goo at the Security Council: "Now the United States believe that they are investigators, they are attorneys, judges and they are the executioners ... The unilateral actions are imperialistic actions. The USA is not interested in international law; they ignore it when it is inconvenient to them". But this was just a warm-up lap. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 13:27:05 +0000 From: "\\0xDynamite" <dreamingforward@gmail.com> To: jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> Cc: CypherPunks <cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org> Subject: Re: What is the value of the State? Message-ID: <CAMjeLr-s_7ZUzqDW6gbXZNCqxt=cRa_1J+mbghRjbxRKdSb4=Q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
That's some good bit o' history. It was you who asked the question "Without a State, would we have electronics? Radio?"
Yes and I was being serious. I hadn't encounted that history before.
I was really referring to the level of existing order needed to create *more* levels of order. That sounds like gobbledygook to me. What do you mean by this? What is a "level of order"?
It's not gobbledygook at all. Just as single-cellular life gave rise to multi-cellular life, a new LEVEL of order was made beyond the cell. In this sense, you could say all the problems that we've been having with "the State" are birthing pains bringing about the solutions to solve this endless conflict at the current level. Einstein was credited with saying "You can't solve the existing problems at the same level which created them" (or something like that). It could surmised that no amount of "self-oganization" could create that transformation seen in biology -- it had to be a GOVERNOR of some kind. By which I intimate that leadership, with a greater view of it all, can generate better, meaningful, and virtuous levels of order and that it HAD to happen at some point in the past, in order to give rise to the mammalian life which we cherish..
And why do you (apparently) think that government is somehow necessary (or even desireable) to act as a driver of technology. I think the opposite is true.
It's not that government is the driver, it is simply a large force that can assemble huge amounts of resources and human effort to solve problems. You would never get equivalent levels of order in an anarchic situation. It would take some extreme urgency bording on panic to assemble such forces (because anarchists don't want to join someone else's causes, right?).
I don't think it's possible to argue with that. Until we actually UNDERSTAND what you meant, how can someone argue?
But I like the sentiment. I think the problem is more than the State.
What problem?
The problem that is often simply labled "the State." \0x ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 13:29:35 +0000 From: "\\0xDynamite" <dreamingforward@gmail.com> To: Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> Cc: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: What is the value of the State? Message-ID: <CAMjeLr8f22Oe2ouDBxMDnr_JhLsYq=nV0-W0FHsPCBYWLe=Wsw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Yet, they haven't "self-organized" to come together and FIX the problem in their own self-interest, have they? So there either is an error in the analysis or there is some EXISTENTIALLY OTHER force that prevents it that is not of this world --otherwise they would come together and knock it down. But because of it's other-dimensional nature, it is completley "invisibile" to them or unfamiliar, and don't know how to approach the problem.
Yes - notwithstanding ones preferred conception of the problem, or the source of the problem, what's an approach to tackling that which we struggle to put into words and apparently affects "most people"?
For starters, can we identify attributes/experiences on a personal level which verify or point to, this problem? I'm thinking confront - when one is intercepted by police for something trivial like driving 9km/hr over "the speed limit", and one decides to boldly speak to said police and firmly put them in their immoral place (in the conversation that is) - one can tend to experience certain physiological twitches, gut-based electricity flows, and or a mild heat rising through the spine.
The solution to this challenge is to be a better Statist than they are. That is, to know your law better, which (fortunately becuase of the IQ level of most cops) isn't that hard. Once you know your rigths and go through the hard knocks of jail time, you start to rise above it. That's how and why I've written HACK THE LAW. \0x ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 15:11:32 +0000 From: "\\0xDynamite" <dreamingforward@gmail.com> To: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> Cc: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: What is the value of the State? Message-ID: <CAMjeLr_bnOa_WTN0mEVbqtewvPjtEjiassoOn63n62i-Te-t3w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
The solution, then, is a META-state. A system of order bigger and better than the State.
Yes. How could we have missed such an obvious solution.
Easy tiger. Hopefully, the other posts clarify. Obviously the State sucks, but it sucks because of THE PEOPLE, don't forget that. And what is going to remain after the fall of the State? THE PEOPLE.
What's needed is a META-STATE. with JESUS AS PRESIDENT and the raving lunatic marko dynamite as VICE-PRESIDENT.
Yer getting a little fringe here. Take a chill pill, Dave.
And no, there's no need for 'congress' cause the 'laws' have all already been written and they are in THE BIBLE.
You're on a roll!
Last but not leat, the META-STATE will provide FREE homeopatic mierdicine.
Please, holistic medicine is already (relatively) FREE (because of the benefits it provides to all). Holistically! Sing with me. \0x ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 11:57:02 -0400 From: Joshua <joshua2014@protonmail.ch> To: CypherPunks <cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org> Subject: [CypherPunks] Event Invitation (May 23, 2017 - New York, New York) Message-ID: <pVl3Y6I_cmhnZuR2Alu3WyDQGmebJIu074sso7_ GlMTEDWojLp7qsm9p3bf4qOVuxwscZCwsD4-NpVHTYxl1YdSsIYkxqgGLQiYspHJhtTk=@ protonmail.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" If you're interested in Bitcoin and are also interested in building out independent economic systems powered by artificial intelligence or whatever then you should come. Free food, drinks, and pleasant conversation. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/social-and-fireside-chat- sponsored-by-zen-tickets-34280315346 movrcx -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJZCf08AAoJEIR3tCCHdM/tpFcP/R5bvD53v9fIio1xTAPorLlb k5wXewaufWl6CYFnxIqPXiqTKNibdfS3b9kk2o/pByys1JmXsvbtCY2+fj2ApM3e 3DL57YTZPETVgFpSKI6V8l5SXljQKSlyGQTHoI4f6Tk3dvHoDABc2AkC3rxQbM1k 6AwSaWtD1iz/go4+SyUonL3M/ROCLz8hQNyJOfUpoUoqjUzuaIjd64HPUHbgSYpE PcKzK+M0qCCtBHGQVgKQsAZov14aakNJVf7KR44HzCDBhB7fxin0TMQcHcTxvkdN Ftj6nJgW9MBY0M9CP8LxNIvHLG+mqK0nNhm5eKHt3JScLgR0F62r8GVWzG+NrTZT adVrIpKMhLQFRPfR7r0cu5YqdC/aLIS10nxFgP3X1yn3EEi3o6RXwgbQuh6W38y1 JyIKik1b2FCza2LVbZpXxxm8Rr7fLv/sa0jX5iGA/5w4yyfH/uUG/pjcmpWHG9iq E8aY6aoxusu+HWwc+IeiK8fR0l2DxKk3m0SPVYLvQPQ2J4DM7BHEGtDFi5+eih/w vYVUyK+GN8kULtgxD/vNGmtK8qz9twuCdhcAWwWt14kvXfHeRohcteJrmeu4LuV1 lt2QnF8rastXcPx+zMjsx2dugenl/uZQ//nThkMl+UbBTVicunDk+q+mTlGwfnal CmAOcKXqTCinYQ8WjTsB =rVwR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Me:
Given that hierarchal power structures enabled and enforced by the State are the major cause of the greatest collective problems faced by the human race, the solution to the greatest collective problems faced by the human race is a bigger more powerful State!
The logic behind this is self evident and inescapable.
:o)
seriously I was being sarcastic when I wrote that. I figured the clown nose smiley face would tip readers off. But if you find a way to implement a Global SuperState, by all means do so, as fast and as hard as possible. Nothing would accelerate the collapse of the industrial age global economy faster, and shutting down the old Planet Killer is a necessary precursor to inventing something better adapted to present day human needs. /seriously -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJZDkqtAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqKRMH+gOG5GVqKqwOVBiHduWXwcLO SiaJO8YvnYHQKtCqIzHEadkXAqSATrwAlaY3ElWX2x/oNSJNo20auvNBi1C5AB9s VPa9AvneZaL0k2HSCo6iU6tYPQSSuQU8axTFAOuNMeJBAcR0+GjjjyIw5zksM1CG Ju6WkhHN82/QiLL5UoD5RcePpQsyXT51u1Pv+Dq7SN6mESgXPND1A0sRWLw7QcW0 xhmkk+5y9Z2DNuedHddOT9xRa20+8exNwyRuuxBuVDPdxzsFnQHdNHyjah79F0fz CgkR4RYWl8OrUQ4LetXhPrWguYy012/S2Eb/tQjePoCc+BY0fDSgWpNCB9nOdDg= =Vz2L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Given that hierarchal power structures enabled and enforced by the State are the major cause of the greatest collective problems faced by the human race, the solution to the greatest collective problems faced by the human race is a bigger more powerful State!
That is the solution for those who are enlightened. The masses are truly the "major cause" of the greatest collective problems faces by the human race". They are addicted, callous, so no empathy or remorse, and destructive. I In short, they are clinically psychopathic. No need to blame the state, they are already part of the "super state" through their blind loyalty to the powers above.
seriously
I was being sarcastic when I wrote that. I figured the clown nose smiley face would tip readers off.
But if you find a way to implement a Global SuperState, by all means do so, as fast and as hard as possible. Nothing would accelerate the collapse of the industrial age global economy faster,
Exactly. The way is already found. It was pregnant with possibilties on the hackerspaces wiki under New World Order. The thing is, it's miscarried due to the fight against religion by queer politics. Total fuckups. Of all the problems in the world, cocksuckers getting tax breaks for "gay marriage" wasn't on the fucking priority list. Truth is there were four prophesies and 4 secular reasons why dramatic shift would occur or have to occur. The only hangup is that some fucking damage has to happen to the secularists and Christians for their complete failure. I mean Biblical level damage. Marxos
On 05/06/2017 05:29 PM, \0xDynamite wrote:
That is the solution for those who are enlightened.
On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 06:12:51PM -0700, Razer wrote:
Why am I sorry I dug this idiot's post out of my junkfiles?
Because laziness overtook any bother to find a scrap of sincerity in his words and corresponding attempt to parse and re-sed a hopefully useful response, when a quick unfunny quip satisfied personal need illusion of emotional accomplishment? I just dunno buddy, I can only guess (whilst suppressing any frustration at your bonza top posting technique) :)
On 05/06/2017 08:29 PM, \0xDynamite wrote:
Given that hierarchal power structures enabled and enforced by the State are the major cause of the greatest collective problems faced by the human race, the solution to the greatest collective problems faced by the human race is a bigger more powerful State!
That is the solution for those who are enlightened. The masses are truly the "major cause" of the greatest collective problems faces by the human race". They are addicted, callous, so no empathy or remorse, and destructive. I
In short, they are clinically psychopathic. No need to blame the state, they are already part of the "super state" through their blind loyalty to the powers above.
seriously
I was being sarcastic when I wrote that. I figured the clown nose smiley face would tip readers off.
But if you find a way to implement a Global SuperState, by all means do so, as fast and as hard as possible. Nothing would accelerate the collapse of the industrial age global economy faster,
Exactly. The way is already found. It was pregnant with possibilties on the hackerspaces wiki under New World Order. The thing is, it's miscarried due to the fight against religion by queer politics. Total fuckups. Of all the problems in the world, cocksuckers getting tax breaks for "gay marriage" wasn't on the fucking priority list.
Truth is there were four prophesies and 4 secular reasons why dramatic shift would occur or have to occur. The only hangup is that some fucking damage has to happen to the secularists and Christians for their complete failure. I mean Biblical level damage.
Marxos
Honestly - how many people are deeply and truly loyal to any state ? I think you mistake fear and resignation for loyalty. Oh - and take the anti-gay bigotry and shove it where the sun does not shine.
On Sat, May 6, 2017, at 11:18 PM, Marina Brown <catskillmarina@gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly - how many people are deeply and truly loyal to any state ? I think you mistake fear and resignation for loyalty.
Oh - and take the anti-gay bigotry and shove it where the sun does not shine.
Oh, Marina, my dear... I never have patience enough to read Mark's messages, so they are solemnly ignored and considered spam, aff... But after reading these stupid things, I can just say that he should try to suck a c0ck. It's a gorgeous sensation and I sincerely recommend it. Believe me, Mark, being a "c0cksucker" is pretty fun and there are a lot of us in all the hackerspaces in all the countries of the whole world. Being an intellectually limited guy is *not* an excuse for being so full of stupid prejudices. Go to suck some c0cks or put them where "the sun doesn't shine", please. Marina, thank you, it was pretty fun to learn that the expression "where the sun doesn't shine" exists in English too. My mom's first language isn't Portuguese and she innocently said sometimes that "her daughter (moi!) lives where the sun doesn't shine" because I live in a bit dark place, in the back of the building, where I receive less sunlight than the other apartments, hahaha!! This place is comfortable, but my mom and all my plants hate it. They sincerely love the sun and avoid places where it doesn't shine, hihi... :D Love you and hope you're doing good. Be well, baby. <3
On 05/06/2017 10:58 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
On Sat, May 6, 2017, at 11:18 PM, Marina Brown <catskillmarina@gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly - how many people are deeply and truly loyal to any state ? I think you mistake fear and resignation for loyalty.
Oh - and take the anti-gay bigotry and shove it where the sun does not shine.
Oh, Marina, my dear... I never have patience enough to read Mark's messages, so they are solemnly ignored and considered spam,
Well - i lost my spam filters - you know how thunderbird breaks sometimes. Now i get to plonk all these ignoramuses again ;-)
aff... But after reading these stupid things, I can just say that he should try to suck a c0ck. It's a gorgeous sensation and I sincerely recommend it.
Right !
Believe me, Mark, being a "c0cksucker" is pretty fun and there are a lot of us in all the hackerspaces in all the countries of the whole world. Being an intellectually limited guy is *not* an excuse for being so full of stupid prejudices. Go to suck some c0cks or put them where "the sun doesn't shine", please.
Marina, thank you, it was pretty fun to learn that the expression "where the sun doesn't shine" exists in English too. My mom's first language isn't Portuguese and she innocently said sometimes that "her daughter (moi!) lives where the sun doesn't shine" because I live in a bit dark place, in the back of the building, where I receive less sunlight than the other apartments, hahaha!! This place is comfortable, but my mom and all my plants hate it. They sincerely love the sun and avoid places where it doesn't shine, hihi... :D
Love you and hope you're doing good. Be well, baby. <3
As well as can be expected in the land of the orange faced wannabe tyrant. Big hugs ! --- Marina
On 05/07/2017 08:41 AM, \0xDynamite wrote:
Oh - and take the anti-gay bigotry and shove it where the sun does not shine.
Don't be an idiot. It's not anti-gay, it's anti-poop. I have friends that are gay and I'm not sure they'd want to be "lumped" together with you poo-holing psychos.
\0x
Milo Y does not count. He is self loathing.
On Sun, May 07, 2017 at 12:29:57AM +0000, \0xDynamite wrote:
Given that hierarchal power structures enabled and enforced by the State are the major cause of the greatest collective problems faced by the human race, the solution to the greatest collective problems faced by the human race is a bigger more powerful State!
That is the solution for those who are enlightened.
That's the Rosicrucian position, along with the Georgian monoliths "prediction" (intention) to reduce the world's population to ~500 million. EVERY next rabit bunch of bolsheviks touting "we're all equal and we few see it, let's overthrow the mighty system" will ALWAYS descend into tyranny. Every truth which requires "just a few -leaders- who see the -real- truth" is flawed by specification - if it cannot or does not apply to us all, it cannot be a universal truth. The belief in universalisms is at the foundation of "empire and glory", at the foundation of colonialism and despotic subjugation of the billions of minority humans around the world "for the greater good". Can you not see this Marxos? Is it possible that our "Christian umbrella" Western programming (the negative sides of it) has lead us to the belief in universalism, in "my way is the only way, or perhaps the way of an enlightened one is the only way" - there's no "live and let live" in this type of thinking. Lest you think I glorify dictators, think again. The only dictator I consent to is the one who absolutely opposes all opposition to the individual's absolute right to conscientious objection!
The masses are truly the "major cause" of the greatest collective problems faces by the human race". They are addicted, callous, so no empathy or remorse, and destructive. I
Codsbollocks - the masses are indeed addicted, often callous and remorseless, and destructive. But the masses are schooled in programs so deep, they do not know their own programming. Education they lack, only schooling dominates. There are humans with empathy, many, millions in fact - perhaps not a great deal, but some indeed have a great deal of empathy. The question is, can you inspire one or two to act in dignity and in pursuance of human rights, in the face of their fear? Collective action in pursuance of individual rights and sovereignty is the only thing that will really change anything, otherwise it's one revolvution to the next dictatorship, over and over again!
In short, they are clinically psychopathic.
Many humans are, I agree with that. But not the majority - the majority are programmed. The truly, malignantly sociopathic/ psychopathic, are generally attracted to high positions in the corporate and banking world.
No need to blame the state,
Oh yes, yes there is! Your statement "no need to blame the state" belies a fundamental belief in the value of the state, which is irrational in the face of the fact that every state in the last 5 to 6 thousand years is usurped by a few to control the many, without exception. There are many illusions that many of us have about The State - it's time for you to put in a bit more effort - you continue to speak in your absolutes. That's all very well sometimes to "go fishing" and extract out of your co-conversationalists their opinions, and their support in bringing clarity to your own thinking, but your absolutes can also really piss people off, so demonstrate personal systemic laziness at your peril of being killfiled.
they are already part of the "super state" through their blind loyalty to the powers above.
Now you're mixing terms/ juxtapozing concepts - more laziness demonstrated by you! Time to pick up your game - although others might keep playing regardless?
seriously
I was being sarcastic when I wrote that. I figured the clown nose smiley face would tip readers off.
But if you find a way to implement a Global SuperState, by all means do so, as fast and as hard as possible. Nothing would accelerate the collapse of the industrial age global economy faster,
Exactly. The way is already found. It was pregnant with possibilties on the hackerspaces wiki under New World Order. The thing is, it's miscarried due to the fight against religion by queer politics.
Why do you think queer politics (if I understand you correctly) has been (((glorified))) and (((permitted))) by the (((powers that be)))?
Total fuckups. Of all the problems in the world, cocksuckers getting tax breaks for "gay marriage" wasn't on the fucking priority list.
And there you are seriously mistaken. Take a step back, take a deep breath and try to witness that which you have yet failed to see.
Truth is there were four prophesies and 4 secular reasons why dramatic shift would occur or have to occur. The only hangup is that some fucking damage has to happen to the secularists and Christians for their complete failure. I mean Biblical level damage.
Once again, unparse-able sentence constructions. More laziness. Good luck, Z
[2017-05-07 19:33] Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net>
part text/plain 5060 On Sun, May 07, 2017 at 12:29:57AM +0000, \0xDynamite wrote:
Given that hierarchal power structures enabled and enforced by the State are the major cause of the greatest collective problems faced by the human race, the solution to the greatest collective problems faced by the human race is a bigger more powerful State!
That is the solution for those who are enlightened.
That's the Rosicrucian position, along with the Georgian monoliths "prediction" (intention) to reduce the world's population to ~500 million.
EVERY next rabit bunch of bolsheviks touting "we're all equal and we few see it, let's overthrow the mighty system" will ALWAYS descend into tyranny.
Every truth which requires "just a few -leaders- who see the -real- truth" is flawed by specification - if it cannot or does not apply to us all, it cannot be a universal truth.
The belief in universalisms is at the foundation of "empire and glory", at the foundation of colonialism and despotic subjugation of the billions of minority humans around the world "for the greater good".
Can you not see this Marxos?
This one letter [1] might help. And it is a real treat for anybody wishing good to the people. [1] http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/7176 p.s. don't worry, it's not of the 'War and peace' scale in thickness.
On Sun, May 07, 2017 at 02:49:55PM +0200, Vasily Kolobkov wrote:
[2017-05-07 19:33] Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net>
part text/plain 5060 On Sun, May 07, 2017 at 12:29:57AM +0000, \0xDynamite wrote:
Given that hierarchal power structures enabled and enforced by the State are the major cause of the greatest collective problems faced by the human race, the solution to the greatest collective problems faced by the human race is a bigger more powerful State!
That is the solution for those who are enlightened.
That's the Rosicrucian position, along with the Georgian monoliths "prediction" (intention) to reduce the world's population to ~500 million.
EVERY next rabit bunch of bolsheviks touting "we're all equal and we few see it, let's overthrow the mighty system" will ALWAYS descend into tyranny.
Every truth which requires "just a few -leaders- who see the -real- truth" is flawed by specification - if it cannot or does not apply to us all, it cannot be a universal truth.
The belief in universalisms is at the foundation of "empire and glory", at the foundation of colonialism and despotic subjugation of the billions of minority humans around the world "for the greater good".
Can you not see this Marxos?
This one letter [1] might help. And it is a real treat for anybody wishing good to the people.
[1] http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/7176
p.s. don't worry, it's not of the 'War and peace' scale in thickness.
Wow! Short and sweet, and 110 years old - I couldn't stop grinning as I read it - that amazing feeling when you read something "from generations ago" and it could almost be a post on cypherpunks. A timeless quote: "this truth, in order to force a way to man's consciousness, had to struggle not merely against the obscurity with which it was expressed and the intentional and unintentional distortions surrounding it, but also against deliberate violence, which by means of persecutions and punishments sought to compel men to accept religious laws authorized by the rulers and conflicting with the truth." And todays statutes could be considered the modern religion - the dictates of the priests of the courts (judges/magistrates), enforced by armed thugs controlled by the king/rulers, and all paid for by our own taxes paid by actual consent (notwithstanding threats of court, potential jail, and all the surrounding fear)! Religion - that tool reinvented throughout the ages, to control the masses, for the benefit of the few. And Marxos, perhaps this quote will remind us all that there's nothing new under the sun, but also, there is much cause for hope when we can chuckle with the "inspired" thoughts of "enlightened ones from the past" - just gotta watch my ego though :/ _The aim of the sinless One consists in acting without causing sorrow to others, although he could attain to great power by ignoring their feelings._ (Note: It is easy to not agree with all the quotes in this letter of Tolstoy, but those he included may be useful food for thought.) Stating the obvious in nicely concise ways is a great start: In former times the chief method of justifying the use of violence and thereby infringing the law of love was by claiming a divine right for the rulers: the Tsars, Sultans, Rajahs, Shahs, and other heads of states. But the longer humanity lived the weaker grew the belief in this peculiar, God--given right of the ruler. That belief withered in the same way and almost simultaneously in the Christian and the Brahman world, as well as in Buddhist and Confucian spheres, and in recent times it has so faded away as to prevail no longer against man's reasonable understanding and the true religious feeling. People saw more and more clearly, and now the majority see quite clearly, the senselessness and immorality of subordinating their wills to those of other people just like themselves, when they are bidden to do what is contrary not only to their interests but also to their moral sense. And so one might suppose that having lost confidence in any religious authority for a belief in the divinity of potentates of various kinds, people would try to free themselves from subjection to it. But unfortunately not only were the rulers, who were considered supernatural beings, benefited by having the peoples in subjection, but as a result of the belief in, and during the rule of, these pseudodivine beings, ever larger and larger circles of people grouped and established themselves around them, and under an appearance of governing took advantage of the people. And when the old deception of a supernatural and God-appointed authority had dwindled away these men were only concerned to devise a new one which like its predecessor should make it possible to hold the people in bondage to a limited number of rulers. ... those who enjoy power propagate these new sophistries and support them so skilfully that they seem irrefutable even to many of those who suffer from the oppression these theories seek to justify. These new justifications are termed 'scientific'. But by the term 'scientific' is understood just what was formerly understood by the term 'religious': just as formerly everything called 'religious' was held to be unquestionable simply because it was called religious, so now all that is called 'scientific' is held to be unquestionable. Thank you Vasily! :D
A timeless quote: "this truth, in order to force a way to man's consciousness, had to struggle not merely against the obscurity with which it was expressed and the intentional and unintentional distortions surrounding it, but also against deliberate violence, which by means of persecutions and punishments sought to compel men to accept religious laws authorized by the rulers and conflicting with the truth."
And todays statutes could be considered the modern religion - the dictates of the priests of the courts (judges/magistrates), enforced by armed thugs controlled by the king/rulers, and all paid for by our own taxes paid by actual consent (notwithstanding threats of court, potential jail, and all the surrounding fear)!
The criticism of anarchy is solid, Zeenen. The dissolution of the current State also soundly based. Can you not see that your bias constitutes a religion?
Religion - that tool reinvented throughout the ages. to control the masses, for the benefit of the few.
This is mostly proslytization from the Marxists. The truth is the truth. If people came from God you have to accept that. No amount of fossil record will dissuade the wo/man who remembers the Truth.
And Marxos, perhaps this quote will remind us all that there's nothing new under the sun, but also, there is much cause for hope when we can chuckle with the "inspired" thoughts of "enlightened ones from the past" - just gotta watch my ego though :/
If there were nothing new, the universe would have died out ages ago from entropy. But no, consciousness interacts with energy use to produce INFORMATION. And that means new ORDER. That order holds back the hot death that would otherwise be the fate of the universe. Isn't it interesting that that novelty is working now to teach you? The idea of the ones who "get it" about government, to sit around like Fidel Castro and smoke the big cigar for the rest of the days is also without merit. Until there is at least mutual understanding in the value and the danger of both, there is no hope of resolution.
_The aim of the sinless One consists in acting without causing sorrow to others, although he could attain to great power by ignoring their feelings._
(Note: It is easy to not agree with all the quotes in this letter of Tolstoy, but those he included may be useful food for thought.)
Stating the obvious in nicely concise ways is a great start:
In former times the chief method of justifying the use of violence and thereby infringing the law of love was by claiming a divine right for the rulers
I think this is heresay. If there is any "law" of love, it would be in the Bible, would it not? Or do you think you have the capacity to create love and life force on your own? \0x
Oh, and one more hint: The tip I gave on the World Game merges both the ethos and "law "of anarchy with the virtue of self-organization to achieve order. People are rewarded for giving their opinion (a vote) and that creates a new, crispy-clean currency without all the bad karma of the State's. If only people would try to APPLY their ideas of anarchy, then they could win. \0x
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