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grarpamp

29 Jul 2021 29 Jul '21

10:58 a.m.

On 7/27/21, Karl wrote:

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This is going on right now at https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LV0FjpKcCBQ .

Whistleblowing is lawful and can be safe with the aid of a lawyer.

https://whistlebloweraid.org/ Nothing of note seems to have changed as a result of the case and people that that organization advertises as their model case. In part because the whole case got censored scrubbed pasted over non-disclosured blacked out secreted away and thus bored the media and public to death. Has that always been the situation [or not] with such official channels and cases... will it continue to be [or not]? You decide. "Safe" does not necessarily imply effective. Activism always entails risk. See similar: https://intelexit.org/

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Karl Semich

1 Aug 1 Aug

12:12 a.m.

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:00 AM grarpamp wrote:

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On 7/27/21, Karl wrote:

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This is going on right now at https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LV0FjpKcCBQ .

Whistleblowing is lawful and can be safe with the aid of a lawyer.

https://whistlebloweraid.org/

Nothing of note seems to have changed as a result of the case and people that that organization advertises as their model case. In part because the whole case got censored scrubbed pasted over non-disclosured blacked out secreted away and thus bored the media and public to death.

Has that always been the situation [or not] with such official channels and cases... will it continue to be [or not]? You decide.

"Safe" does not necessarily imply effective. Activism always entails risk.

See similar: https://intelexit.org/

intelexit.org aids people in leaving national security and includes whistleblowing I think this is Raddack's (lawyer of us gov whistleblowers including Snowden and Hale) organization: https://whisper.exposefacts.org/ I once encountered a whistleblowing organization about a specific suspect corporation, that was actually a honeypot. That doesn't seem likely true of exposefacts.org given their high profile cases.

stef

11:39 a.m.

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 08:12:33PM -0400, Karl Semich wrote:

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On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:00 AM grarpamp wrote:

intelexit.org aids people in leaving national security and includes whistleblowing

wasn't intelexit an art project by the berlin peng! collective?

grarpamp

12:21 p.m.

On 8/1/21, stef wrote:

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wasn't intelexit an art project by the berlin peng! collective?

Yes, and also by Schneier and Drake, but it's not purely art since they do take intake, even if it only ends up in a referral. There was also OpenLeaks by ?Dan D-Berg?, which is long dead. DDoSecrets. Cryptome. And a few other uniques. Plus all the news media digging for scraps ever since WL went inactive while still sitting on old, and intaking new, docs. Almost no services mentioned in this entire thread have or will ever publish currently active TOP-SECRET/SCI unredacted for its full impact. And the choice of where to go, from self-publishing into the darknet, up through formal GovCorp whistleblowing channels, is certainly not easy. That's another reason GovCorp wants to keep WL on ice in limbo forever... no resolution = a FUD environment keeping new leakers mentally trapped inside it. There's a path out of that trap... If what you see is wrong, there's really no option but to do the right thing.

David Barrett

4:07 p.m.

Kind of related to this, but for corporate rather than political purposes: https://www.protocol.com/expensify-ceo-silenced-no-more On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 5:22 AM grarpamp wrote:

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On 8/1/21, stef wrote:

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wasn't intelexit an art project by the berlin peng! collective?

Yes, and also by Schneier and Drake, but it's not purely art since they do take intake, even if it only ends up in a referral.

There was also OpenLeaks by ?Dan D-Berg?, which is long dead. DDoSecrets. Cryptome. And a few other uniques.

Plus all the news media digging for scraps ever since WL went inactive while still sitting on old, and intaking new, docs.

Almost no services mentioned in this entire thread have or will ever publish currently active TOP-SECRET/SCI unredacted for its full impact.

And the choice of where to go, from self-publishing into the darknet, up through formal GovCorp whistleblowing channels, is certainly not easy.

That's another reason GovCorp wants to keep WL on ice in limbo forever... no resolution = a FUD environment keeping new leakers mentally trapped inside it.

There's a path out of that trap...

If what you see is wrong, there's really no option but to do the right thing.

professor rat

5:19 p.m.

TIME is running out for the WL Dead-enders. If they can't link it to the 2016 POTUS election result then nothing its done has ever been more consequential than Project Veritas. Or the Alex-Jones-John-Young collaboration. Glen ' Gramps ' Greenwald. All noise - no signal. On Monday, 2 August 2021, 02:09:52 am AEST, David Barrett wrote: Kind of related to this, but for corporate rather than political purposes: https://www.protocol.com/expensify-ceo-silenced-no-more

grarpamp

7:21 p.m.

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John-Young collaboration.

JYA-Cryptome should consider publishing a complete bibliography of all its interviews, and then collating and publishing all the videos and/or links to them on the Cryptome site, since the Internet is rapidly disappearing them from its collective memory. The internet would surely also welcome a new interview to reflect time since the start, and a complete release of entire Cryptome archive into something like Bittorrent and IPFS. Cypherpunks to assist as desired.

Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0

7:58 p.m.

On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 09:07:54 -0700 David Barrett wrote:

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Kind of related to this, but for corporate rather than political purposes: https://www.protocol.com/expensify-ceo-silenced-no-more

"non human turd barrett previously made news when he emailed 10 million customers last year, encouraging them to vote for non human turd Biden." wow - that's how low this list has fallen also what kind of "10 million 'customers'" can this piece of criminal shit barrett have? Well at least now we have a picture of the turd. Should be beaten to death on sight.

Karl Semich

8:19 p.m.

On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 12:09 PM David Barrett wrote:

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Kind of related to this, but for corporate rather than political purposes: https://www.protocol.com/expensify-ceo-silenced-no-mor https://www.protocol.com/expensify-ceo-silenced-no-moree

That's a great thing, David. Thank you. Not sure why you're on this kinda-messed-up list, maybe for the tidbits that fall out sometimes. It does read to me like the article leaves out two things that are pretty important: - confirmation or a date that the nda's are actually amended - letting people disclose illegal acts done in the name of the business, as well as between people in the workplace Not meaning to argue anything, just relating how it read to me. Apologies for below cruft; on mobile. On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 5:22 AM grarpamp wrote:

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On 8/1/21, stef wrote:

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wasn't intelexit an art project by the berlin peng! collective?

Yes, and also by Schneier and Drake, but it's not purely art since they do take intake, even if it only ends up in a referral.

There was also OpenLeaks by ?Dan D-Berg?, which is long dead. DDoSecrets. Cryptome. And a few other uniques.

Plus all the news media digging for scraps ever since WL went inactive while still sitting on old, and intaking new, docs.

Almost no services mentioned in this entire thread have or will ever publish currently active TOP-SECRET/SCI unredacted for its full impact.

And the choice of where to go, from self-publishing into the darknet, up through formal GovCorp whistleblowing channels, is certainly not easy.

That's another reason GovCorp wants to keep WL on ice in limbo forever... no resolution = a FUD environment keeping new leakers mentally trapped inside it.

There's a path out of that trap...

If what you see is wrong, there's really no option but to do the right thing.

Karl Semich

8:20 p.m.

Meant to send this privately. No worries it wasn't. On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 4:19 PM Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 12:09 PM David Barrett wrote:

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Kind of related to this, but for corporate rather than political purposes: https://www.protocol.com/expensify-ceo-silenced-no-mor https://www.protocol.com/expensify-ceo-silenced-no-moree

That's a great thing, David. Thank you. Not sure why you're on this kinda-messed-up list, maybe for the tidbits that fall out sometimes.

It does read to me like the article leaves out two things that are pretty important: - confirmation or a date that the nda's are actually amended - letting people disclose illegal acts done in the name of the business, as well as between people in the workplace

Not meaning to argue anything, just relating how it read to me.

Apologies for below cruft; on mobile.

On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 5:22 AM grarpamp wrote:

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On 8/1/21, stef wrote:

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wasn't intelexit an art project by the berlin peng! collective?

Yes, and also by Schneier and Drake, but it's not purely art since they do take intake, even if it only ends up in a referral.

There was also OpenLeaks by ?Dan D-Berg?, which is long dead. DDoSecrets. Cryptome. And a few other uniques.

Plus all the news media digging for scraps ever since WL went inactive while still sitting on old, and intaking new, docs.

Almost no services mentioned in this entire thread have or will ever publish currently active TOP-SECRET/SCI unredacted for its full impact.

And the choice of where to go, from self-publishing into the darknet, up through formal GovCorp whistleblowing channels, is certainly not easy.

That's another reason GovCorp wants to keep WL on ice in limbo forever... no resolution = a FUD environment keeping new leakers mentally trapped inside it.

There's a path out of that trap...

If what you see is wrong, there's really no option but to do the right thing.

Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0

8:43 p.m.

On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 16:20:37 -0400 Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:

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Meant to send this privately. No worries it wasn't.

Haha Thank You Karl! So you're quite friendly with this non human criminal turd barrett while at the same time badmouthing the list.

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That's a great thing, David. Thank you. Not sure why you're on this kinda-messed-up list, maybe for the tidbits that fall out sometimes.

If anything the question is why is this list choke full of US govt agents like barrett, quinn, 'coderman', 'grarpamp', etc. Why do you think this list is full of US govt agents Karl?

Karl Semich

9:35 p.m.

New subject: [talking to automated dialogue when confused and upset] was Re: Leaks: WhistleBlowerAid.org - Safe Whistleblowing Workshop Livestream

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If anything the question is why is this list choke full of US govt agents like barrett, quinn, 'coderman', 'grarpamp', etc.

Why do you think this list is full of US govt agents Karl?

To kill off hackers, because governments don't understand what hackers do, and fear they could lose order. The tone of this message is meant for the unpleasant email I received, not the caring human being whose handle is attached to it.

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