1. One of the first legal slave owners in America was African-American tobacco farmer Anthony Johnson. 2. In 1830, 3,775 African-Americans owned 12,740 African slaves. 3. In 1860, Southth Carolina's largest slave holder was African-American plantation owner William Ellison. Source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist) census.gov/history/pdf/histstats-colonial-1970.pdf wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ellison
On Fri, 09 Feb 2018 16:36:00 +0000 Knee Grow <watermellonseeds@nuke.africa> wrote:
2. In 1830, 3,775 African-Americans owned 12,740 African slaves.
and what was the total number of slaves? and how many of those slaves were white? Oh surely jefferson, washington and friends were poor white slaves working in a platantion owned by blacks.
On 10/02/2018 01:32, juan wrote:
Oh surely jefferson, washington and friends were poor white slaves working in a platantion owned by blacks.
Most slaves were black, because most criminals are black. Most slaves were enslaved in black Africa by black African authorities for minor crimes. (Major crimes got the criminal killed, and frequently eaten) And a disproportionate number of blacks were lynched in the US for the same reason that today there are a disproportionate number of blacks in San Francisco prisons. Slavers went to where the supply was. And the supply was overwhelmingly black. They did not have anything against Africa or Africans, it was just supply and demand.
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 02:39:57 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 10/02/2018 01:32, juan wrote:
Oh surely jefferson, washington and friends were poor white slaves working in a platantion owned by blacks.
Most slaves were black, because most criminals are black.
ok - we got that sorted out.
Most slaves were enslaved in black Africa by black African authorities for minor crimes. (Major crimes got the criminal killed, and frequently eaten)
And a disproportionate number of blacks were lynched in the US for the same reason that today there are a disproportionate number of blacks in San Francisco prisons.
Slavers went to where the supply was. And the supply was overwhelmingly black. They did not have anything against Africa or Africans, it was just supply and demand.
thank you for your white, joo-kristian, economic truths. No doubt you are the intellectual heir of adam smith and blessed by moses.
On Feb 9, 2018, at 1:39 PM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 10/02/2018 01:32, juan wrote: Oh surely jefferson, washington and friends were poor white slaves working in a platantion owned by blacks.
Most slaves were black, because most criminals are black.
Bullshit.
Most slaves were enslaved in black Africa by black African authorities for minor crimes. (Major crimes got the criminal killed, and frequently eaten)
Bullshit. There were massive profits and raiding parties - African nations that made deals with the European and Arab slavers to feed the huge demand in the “new world”. Most slaves were not “minor criminals” (as if that would make it any better?)
And a disproportionate number of blacks were lynched in the US for the same reason that today there are a disproportionate number of blacks in San Francisco prisons.
They were lynched because of racist white pieces of shit, like yourself.
Slavers went to where the supply was. And the supply was overwhelmingly black. They did not have anything against Africa or Africans, it was just supply and demand.
You’re so full of shit. The antebellum south had all sorts of religious bullshit to backup their BLACK slavery like the “curse of ham” and other absurd beliefs, like they were taking care of the poor blacks with their phrenological disadvantages... Are you a phrenologist James? You’re definitely a pile of stinking shit.
Most slaves were enslaved in black Africa by black African authorities for minor crimes.
On 10/02/2018 22:59, John Newman wrote:
Bullshit. There were massive profits and raiding parties
There were raiding parties, but where we have data, which we generally don't, most slaves were purchased from the local authorities, not captured in raids. So who were the local authorities selling? Until recently, very few societies used imprisonment (and I would argue imprisonment is a very bad idea and we should not use it either.) If someone caused problems, you beat him or killed him. Suppose you beat him, and later he causes problems some more. What are you going to do? You can kill him, or you can sell him into slavery. Early colonialists and explorers report executions, lots of executions, lots and lots of executions, rather than enslavement.By and large, there seem to have been more executions than selling people into slavery. Black societies had more people that they did not want around, than they had purchasers for slaves.
On Feb 10, 2018, at 4:40 PM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
Most slaves were enslaved in black Africa by black African authorities for minor crimes.
On 10/02/2018 22:59, John Newman wrote: Bullshit. There were massive profits and raiding parties
There were raiding parties, but where we have data, which we generally don't, most slaves were purchased from the local authorities, not captured in raids. So who were the local authorities selling?
Are you being purposely disingenuous? There were obviously also raiding parties and the sale of “prisoners of war” between and within different black Africans themselves, divisions exploited by European slavers anxious to fill the gaping maw hungry for free labor to subsidize the colonization and exploitation of the “new world”. They had to keep that slave market (the “Meal Market”) on Wall Street going some how.
Until recently, very few societies used imprisonment (and I would argue imprisonment is a very bad idea and we should not use it either.) If someone caused problems, you beat him or killed him. Suppose you beat him, and later he causes problems some more. What are you going to do? You can kill him, or you can sell him into slavery.
Early colonialists and explorers report executions, lots of executions, lots and lots of executions, rather than enslavement.By and large, there seem to have been more executions than selling people into slavery. Black societies had more people that they did not want around, than they had purchasers for slaves.
John, Juan and Marina, my loved friends, do not waste too much time with these jerks, please. The world population was estimated to have reached 7,6 billion in December, 2017. And these stupid racist guys are ignored for more than 99,99999999% of all the people in the world, hihihi... :) The funniest thing is to notice that they _really_ think to be "very relevant" to the whole humanity, the "studest" badass intellectual guys of this "wow, much wow!" discussion list, always dishonestly trying to prove that the quantity of melanin in a person' skin can influence in their character. Aff... :( Hee-haw, Hee-haw, Hee-haw... Stop braying always the same things, please. It's boring! :(( The things do simply not work this way, HarkLess's fake personas, James, Jim. (the stupid ZeNazi's friend, NOT Jim Bell, please) among other trolls, dear guys... :(( Please, today is Sunday. Why do you not use the free time for getting a life, eh?! ;) An OT personal story about "races" to explain that all the persons matter the same, that all of them have their own beauty and beliefs: - In the past, already had the chance of knowing two different Amazon's Indian tribes. I hated the f_cking heat and all the odious mosquitoes, had no courage to eat ants and other insects, I was feeling dehydrated all the time, and had a horrible fear of being bitten by a snake in my buttocks while peeing in the forest. It was a complete shit, a disaster, but strangely, at same time, was very interesting and instructive. I was the first Japanese girl that most of those Indians saw in their lives. I was f_cking pale, with freckles and brown curly hair, talking to them with a strange accent, but intuitively they know we all were human beings feeling exactly the same. They respected me and I respected them. We shared our food and water. I painted their faces with my lipsticks and they painted me with minerals and fruits natural pigments. One of my friends - and also one of my teachers - is a Japanese guy completely in love with Python. He gave Python programming courses to new PyLadies in several countries of the African continent and it was awesome. His experiences were similar to mine in some aspects. Humans beings like to learn and to teach each other, to share their knowledge. The color of your skin is just the way your skin is. They never thought "Oh, poor yellow guy, so ignorant and inferior to us!" The same happened with me among the Indians. I was one of them, even having a different apparence. White, Black, Yellow, Red, Green, Purple, Plaid, Golden, Rainbow... The color of your skin is just a color. The blood in our veins has the same color, the same value. Our tears and pains are the same. We all feel love, fear, joy, sadness, hunger, gratitude... All lives matter. All lives are important. Why to spend so much time trying to prove that black people are "inferior" to you, James? God, your ego must be more fragile than your balls... Get a life, please. Search for psychological treatment and learn how much bigger the world is than your own belly. You are not a genius trying to share the - ooooh! - "real truth". You are just an old sick man being used as a puppet to spread more hate in this poor f_cked world. This is the world where your grandchildren will grown up, James. If you really love them, think about their future, please. Wish you all a lovely Sunday, full of harmony, peace, hopes, and the sweetest dreams. Ceci PS - OT: - "Braying" and "barking" do _not_ count as official languages, ZeNazi. Stop saying you are a polyglot, please. It's very embarrassing when you pretend to be an "intellectual" in other lists, eeeck! :(( ---------- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity. It's your place in the world; it's your life. Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." - Mae Jemison
They had to keep that slave market (the “Meal Market”) on Wall Street going some how.
Rather, the problem was, what do you do with people who are disinclined to work for a living? You can put them on welfare, you can put up with intolerable amounts of petty crime, or you can force them to work.
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:00:56 +0800 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
They had to keep that slave market (the “Meal Market”) on Wall Street going some how.
Rather, the problem was, what do you do with people who are disinclined to work for a living?
You can put them on welfare, you can put up with intolerable amounts of petty crime, or you can force them to work.
as always you keep ignoring the facts. The real thieves, who operate on a global, industrial scale are white joo-kristian scum like you. So it's no surprise that you keep making up these stories about 'darkies' being 'petty thieves', to cover your own real, huge acts of robbery.
On 11/02/2018 11:21, John Newman wrote:
Are you being purposely disingenuous? There were obviously also raiding parties and the sale of “prisoners of war” between and within different black Africans themselves,
Dramatic, but atypical. Enslavement on the basis of war was generally result of pacification campaigns, rather than "slave raids" - kings enslaved those who were persistently causing them trouble, with the objective of deterring troublemakers and getting rid of them. As, for example, the Irish. And most enslavement was not on the basis of war. It was more typically for petty theft, particularly stealing from one's employer, and vagrancy. (Not having visible means of support.)
divisions exploited by European slavers anxious to fill the gaping maw hungry for free labor to subsidize the colonization and exploitation of the “new world”.
Slavery was driven by supply, rather than demand. It was a way of dealing with problem people. And Africa had, and still has, more problem people. Walk down the street. You will notice that black Americans generally have smaller heads, reflecting smaller brains. Thus require more supervision, and are less apt to voluntarily accept supervision. People who need supervision, and are disinclined to accept it, cause problems. Slavery was a way of dealing with those problems.
On Feb 12, 2018, at 4:00 PM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 11/02/2018 11:21, John Newman wrote: Are you being purposely disingenuous? There were obviously also raiding parties and the sale of “prisoners of war” between and within different black Africans themselves,
Dramatic, but atypical.
Enslavement on the basis of war was generally result of pacification campaigns, rather than "slave raids" - kings enslaved those who were persistently causing them trouble, with the objective of deterring troublemakers and getting rid of them. As, for example, the Irish.
And most enslavement was not on the basis of war. It was more typically for petty theft, particularly stealing from one's employer, and vagrancy. (Not having visible means of support.)
divisions exploited by European slavers anxious to fill the gaping maw hungry for free labor to subsidize the colonization and exploitation of the “new world”.
Slavery was driven by supply, rather than demand. It was a way of dealing with problem people. And Africa had, and still has, more problem people.
You are so full of shit. Conversation with scum like yourself is utterly pointless. Slavery was driven by a SLAVE ECONOMY, which was obviously driven by demand. Do you actually believe the bullshit you spout?
Walk down the street. You will notice that black Americans generally have smaller heads, reflecting smaller brains. Thus require more supervision, and are less apt to voluntarily accept supervision.
People who need supervision, and are disinclined to accept it, cause problems. Slavery was a way of dealing with those problems.
On Feb 12, 2018, at 4:00 PM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
Slavery was driven by supply, rather than demand. It was a way of dealing with problem people. And Africa had, and still has, more problem people.
On 16/02/2018 12:27, John Newman wrote:
You are so full of shit. Conversation with scum like yourself is utterly pointless. Slavery was driven by a SLAVE ECONOMY,
If it was driven by a slave economy, they would have been selling their problem people, but in practice, usually ate them.
First off, the only reason I even saw this is because John replied to this pinhead. To wit, the pinhead wrote:
Walk down the street. You will notice that black Americans generally have smaller heads, reflecting smaller brains.. You'd have to be a moron ... ie. Pinhead, to actually believe that. My large jewish nose (sic) can smell the stench of this human shitpile all the way across cyberspace. Rr
-------- Original message --------From: John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> Date: 2/15/18 8:27 PM (GMT-08:00) To: jamesd@echeque.com Cc: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: AFRICAN HISTORY MONTH
On Feb 12, 2018, at 4:00 PM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 11/02/2018 11:21, John Newman wrote: Are you being purposely disingenuous? There were obviously also raiding parties and the sale of “prisoners of war” between and within different black Africans themselves,
Dramatic, but atypical.
Enslavement on the basis of war was generally result of pacification campaigns, rather than "slave raids" - kings enslaved those who were persistently causing them trouble, with the objective of deterring troublemakers and getting rid of them. As, for example, the Irish.
And most enslavement was not on the basis of war. It was more typically for petty theft, particularly stealing from one's employer, and vagrancy. (Not having visible means of support.)
divisions exploited by European slavers anxious to fill the gaping maw hungry for free labor to subsidize the colonization and exploitation of the “new world”.
Slavery was driven by supply, rather than demand. It was a way of dealing with problem people. And Africa had, and still has, more problem people.
You are so full of shit. Conversation with scum like yourself is utterly pointless. Slavery was driven by a SLAVE ECONOMY, which was obviously driven by demand. Do you actually believe the bullshit you spout?
Walk down the street. You will notice that black Americans generally have smaller heads, reflecting smaller brains. Thus require more supervision, and are less apt to voluntarily accept supervision.
People who need supervision, and are disinclined to accept it, cause problems. Slavery was a way of dealing with those problems.
-------- Original Message -------- On Feb 16, 2018, 8:58 AM, g2s wrote: First off, the only reason I even saw this is because John replied to this pinhead.
Walk down the street. You will notice that black Americans generally have smaller heads, reflecting smaller brains..
That and big high ass's for real - maybe that's why they run faster than white boyz.... -------- Original message -------- From: John Newman Date: 2/15/18 8:27 PM (GMT-08:00) To: jamesd@echeque.com Cc: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: AFRICAN HISTORY MONTH
On Feb 12, 2018, at 4:00 PM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 11/02/2018 11:21, John Newman wrote: Are you being purposely disingenuous? There were obviously also raiding parties and the sale of “prisoners of war” between and within different black Africans themselves,
Dramatic, but atypical.
Enslavement on the basis of war was generally result of pacification campaigns, rather than "slave raids" - kings enslaved those who were persistently causing them trouble, with the objective of deterring troublemakers and getting rid of them. As, for example, the Irish.
And most enslavement was not on the basis of war. It was more typically for petty theft, particularly stealing from one's employer, and vagrancy. (Not having visible means of support.)
divisions exploited by European slavers anxious to fill the gaping maw hungry for free labor to subsidize the colonization and exploitation of the “new world”.
Slavery was driven by supply, rather than demand. It was a way of dealing with problem people. And Africa had, and still has, more problem people.
You are so full of shit. Conversation with scum like yourself is utterly pointless. Slavery was driven by a SLAVE ECONOMY, which was obviously driven by demand. Do you actually believe the bullshit you spout?
Walk down the street. You will notice that black Americans generally have smaller heads, reflecting smaller brains. Thus require more supervision, and are less apt to voluntarily accept supervision.
People who need supervision, and are disinclined to accept it, cause problems. Slavery was a way of dealing with those problems.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 02/10/2018 09:59 AM, John Newman wrote:
On Feb 9, 2018, at 1:39 PM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 10/02/2018 01:32, juan wrote: Oh surely jefferson, washington and friends were poor white slaves working in a platantion owned by blacks.
Most slaves were black, because most criminals are black.
Bullshit.
Most slaves were enslaved in black Africa by black African authorities for minor crimes. (Major crimes got the criminal killed, and frequently eaten)
Bullshit. There were massive profits and raiding parties - African nations that made deals with the European and Arab slavers to feed the huge demand in the “new world”. Most slaves were not “minor criminals” (as if that would make it any better?)
And a disproportionate number of blacks were lynched in the US for the same reason that today there are a disproportionate number of blacks in San Francisco prisons.
They were lynched because of racist white pieces of shit, like yourself.
Slavers went to where the supply was. And the supply was overwhelmingly black. They did not have anything against Africa or Africans, it was just supply and demand.
You’re so full of shit. The antebellum south had all sorts of religious bullshit to backup their BLACK slavery like the “curse of ham” and other absurd beliefs, like they were taking care of the poor blacks with their phrenological disadvantages... Are you a phrenologist James? You’re definitely a pile of stinking shit.
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