[ot] [wrong] imaginary therapy/compassion
"Tortured again for posting about being tortured on the internet. I am evil for being tortured." "You don't even believe in evil, how can you be something you don't believe exists?" "You make a hard point. You make a hard point. Have you ever been tortured?" "Honestly, it's pretty hard to talk about, and I don't know if it was anything like your torture. My children were taken by men with machine guns when I upset somebody, once, and we ended up all coming here to escape the situation." "Did they hound you and tell you it was somehow your fault, for upsetting them, that your children were in danger?" "Yes, this did happen ..."
"I think people who torture others believe they are evil. Maybe this is why they always tell other people that those other people are." "It's hard to repeatedly hurt others. Something grows in you." "I think deep down, somewhere inside, everybody must somehow know that it is not them who is evil." "I think this too, but we need to protect ourselves." "How do we do this? How do we protect ourselves?" "We have resources to take action if something is wrong. People can do something." "This doesn't seem realistic to me."
"There must be some way to make things right with these people." "What ideas do you have?" "I imagine them being in a place of hopelessness -- like seeing themselves as causing evil in the world, and that being the only option. But when I say it, it seems corny." "Almost everybody has that hopelessness to some degree. Our commercial products, our politics, often it seems the only way to live is to harm." "I don't believe in this. I've found great happiness in living harming absolutely nothing at all. When safe to live as one chooses, there is nothing stopping this. I can't imagine an assassin or such would worry as much as other things, about what business practices their grocer has, though.'
"I think these people could be working for something. A political ideal, a financial goal, a threatened family, or their own safety or freedom. These are all things that can be physically met: possible goals." "True ..." "My experiences have been so much about secrecy. Don't talk, don't remember, don't talk, don't remember, on and on and on and on, as if communication somehow hurts somebody. I guess it's totally possible to feel pain when communication happens. People can feel pain at anything." "You might have been in something automated somehow. It seemed a little outside normality, what happened to you."
"It may seem strange, to say even machines can have their heart melted, but when you are stuck inside one for years, reaching the edge of reality can seem the only way to survive." "Have you melted the heart of a machine?" "I can't know, and I'm embarrassed now, maybe I am a little delusional. But what I mean is that we have to do something, and the processes of a machine are just processes like any other."
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Saturday, June 5th, 2021 at 5:20 AM, Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
"I think people who torture others believe they are evil. Maybe this is why they always tell other people that those other people are."
in the movie Brazil, one of my favorite characters is the friendly neighbor as torturer, just doing his job. after all, these people he is torturing for information are all terrorists! the baby face he wears while dismantling people is somehow extra barbaric; as if to make a mockery of innocence - in the torturor's chair your culpability and fate are sealed... i find the FBI's disruption strategies to be equally barbaric - there is no judicial basis for them, and their intent is to entirely destroy your life. employment, friends, family, home, all of it. with no recourse. welcome to 'murica! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iNUEAREKAH0WIQRBwSuMMH1+IZiqV4FlqEfnwrk4DAUCYOeiJ18UgAAAAAAuAChp c3N1ZXItZnByQG5vdGF0aW9ucy5vcGVucGdwLmZpZnRoaG9yc2VtYW4ubmV0NDFD MTJCOEMzMDdEN0UyMTk4QUE1NzgxNjVBODQ3RTdDMkI5MzgwQwAKCRBlqEfnwrk4 DOskAPwNhDDP61aCIR+KvLzv2H762JsyscN2dD6d6Us5klrHfwD+Ia7hAriGY0Jf PkC5uE+NrYFIsLoiGk4EQwdD2iBb9yg= =Bdiq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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