"You don't even believe in evil, how can you be something you don't believe exists?"

 "You make a hard point.  You make a hard point.  Have you ever been tortured?"

 "Honestly, it's pretty hard to talk about, and I don't know if it was anything like your torture.  My children were taken by men with machine guns when I upset somebody, once, and we ended up all coming here to escape the situation."

 "Did they hound you and tell you it was somehow your fault, for upsetting them, that your children were in danger?"

 "Yes, this did happen ..."