Re: [Cryptography] Cryptography is not a science currently
There is a long history of corruption in the US. And the FBI and NSA were certainly not immune. The abuse of the FBI to pursue Hoover's racist political agenda, LOVEINT, etc.
People talk badly about Hoover, but never about the CIA? Given the powers of the FBI, Hoover was nothing like L. Ron Hubbard, Nixon, or Beria. The CIA on the other hand.... stole a hard drive. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/23/el-salvador-civil-war-classifie... This year. Hoover's FBI constantly talked about discretion, and people even wrote to Hoover! Some villain he is. He even blackmailed the elites, which is pretty terrible. Strange that a senile war criminal like Ronald Reagan is more admired than J. Edgar Hoover, true American hero. I assume Google now encrypts everything everywhere inside the corporation.
Excellent, except why didn't all the targets in Prism join all at the same time? I guess each corporation's plaintext are just that hard to crack, they had to work a year per company to break their plaintext. Maybe instead of encryption they should change their plaintext encoding? Maybe for additional security everyone should proprietary plaintext? So when the Snowden papers came out 20 years later they suddenly realized
that the technology had moved on and it would be very easy to send much of Fort Meade dark.
Snowden isn't such a big deal. Maybe no one cares about Nicholas Merril and his fight against a national security letter. Maybe no one cares about Mark Klein, or that Congress gave retroactive immunity to telecommunications providers in cooperating with the government. Maybe no one cares that Theo de Raadt lost a DARPA grant for criticizing the Iraq war. Maybe no one cares... Why am I wasting my time? There are thousands of events that transpired before Snowden, and Snowden is a big deal? How is he a big deal? If you didn't know the NSA was spying on everyone before Snowden, you're a moron or a shill. There's no respectful way to get this point across, it's abundantly clear to anyone with half a brain and pays attention to anything that this is all public knowledge. To pretend that there was some big secret before Snowden is ridiculous. The only interesting new bit of knowledge in 2013 was parallel construction. I had no idea that the federal government was */that/* crooked.
On 12/6/15, Ryan Carboni <ryacko@gmail.com> wrote:
... Snowden isn't such a big deal.
some calls for preservation to the contrary: "Why the Snowden files should be made accessible through public libraries." - http://berlinergazette.de/snowden-files-public-library-position-paper/ "On Archiving and Commoning the Snowden Files" - http://www.socialhistoryportal.org/news/articles/308169
Maybe no one cares about Nicholas Merril and his fight against a national security letter.
did you see the unredacted version? i actually used this recently in a FOIA, in fact: "Per your request for fix of this request, Under the USA PATRIOT Act, Pub. L. No. 107-56 §505(a), 115 Stat. 272, 365 (2001) , including recent revisions; C.f. USA FREEDOM Act of 2015, Pub. L. No. 114-23, 129 Stat. 268, the FBI can issue National Security Letters requesting specific business record information, including SSL/TLS private keys used in Internet communications. See https://peertech.org/files/merrill-v-lynch-unredacted-decision-vacating-gag.... for additional information. I am requesting Procedures, Instructions, and any other materials regarding the proper handling of SSL/TLS secret keys obtained via National Security Letters or Court Order under PATRIOT Act, or USA FREEDOM Act authorities as above." - https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/kleptokeymgmt-21208...
Maybe no one cares about Mark Klein, or that Congress gave retroactive immunity to telecommunications providers in cooperating with the government.
the Mark Klein exhibits were the first time i saw sensitive private cable tap activities exposed to the public. it was the first time i had hope for judicial action against nation state spying activities on domestic soil. ( i still have hope, but it is much more tempered, now :)
Maybe no one cares that Theo de Raadt lost a DARPA grant for criticizing the Iraq war.
Theo an opinionated egotistical asshat, yet still no justification for a Dixie-Chicks'in on his contracts...
Maybe no one cares...
you're missing other significant behavior modifications, like the "voluntary" servitude of forever-secretive classified contracts, or compelled cooperation when they catch you ridin' dirty, or an employer dependent on military-industrial-complex, now the cyber-spy-n-sploit racket, or ....
Why am I wasting my time? There are thousands of events that transpired before Snowden, and Snowden is a big deal? How is he a big deal?
quantified risk. we now know with greater precision than ever before, exactly how well resourced and bleeding edge this attacker (USA) is. unfortunately it's almost all bad news... ( denial is not rejection; can you blame the heads in the sand, really? )
... The only interesting new bit of knowledge in 2013 was parallel construction. I had no idea that the federal government was */that/* crooked.
actually this was exposed in DEA investigations, but yes, the scale of it is disturbing to say the least. keep caring! and best regards,
On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:55 PM, coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/6/15, Ryan Carboni <ryacko@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe no one cares about Nicholas Merril and his fight against a national security letter.
did you see the unredacted version?
I saw it. But whenever someone mentions Snowden, all previous knowledge seemingly leaves the head.
Maybe no one cares about Mark Klein, or that Congress gave retroactive immunity to telecommunications providers in cooperating with the government.
the Mark Klein exhibits were the first time i saw sensitive private cable tap activities exposed to the public. it was the first time i had hope for judicial action against nation state spying activities on domestic soil. ( i still have hope, but it is much more tempered, now :)
Congress will... grant retroactive immunity if the need arises. The Benghazi, SSCI, etc, are all a giant farce.
Maybe no one cares...
you're missing other significant behavior modifications,
like the "voluntary" servitude of forever-secretive classified contracts,
or compelled cooperation when they catch you ridin' dirty,
or an employer dependent on military-industrial-complex, now the cyber-spy-n-sploit racket,
or ....
Chomsky says that control is achieved through manipulating attitudes and opinions. https://ohtarzie.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/passing-noam-on-my-way-out-part-1/ https://ohtarzie.wordpress.com/2014/01/31/passing-noam-on-the-way-out-part-2... https://ohtarzie.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/passing-chomsky-on-my-way-out-part... We live in a democracy afterall.
Why am I wasting my time? There are thousands of events that transpired before Snowden, and Snowden is a big deal? How is he a big deal?
quantified risk. we now know with greater precision than ever before, exactly how well resourced and bleeding edge this attacker (USA) is.
unfortunately it's almost all bad news...
( denial is not rejection; can you blame the heads in the sand, really? )
Erm... it's possible to learn by watching enough CCC videos of presentations to know all about the NSA and other five eyes intelligence. The logistics of it is impossible to hide. They have satellites next to satellites to intercept data. The FBI has thirty thousand employees (and operates DITU). The NSA has five times the budget and same number of employees. The CIA has seven times the budget and twenty thousand employees. This is just the US, the rest of Five Eyes puts in their fair share as well. To ensure staying on the topic of cryptography, how many cryptographers do you think there are? Given the discovery of high level spies within intelligence agencies (Redl, Ames, Hanssen), how could cryptographers hope to assure security if the top spies can't? It has been alleged that activist groups had been penetrated and the course of discussion manipulated. If one million dollars per year is spent towards manipulating cryptography, how would you think it would be used? The only secure place is your brain. If you can think for yourself, then you know your own thoughts are secure. Groupthink is the original cloud computing. Naturally, Rogaway doesn't mention any of this. He makes no frank assessment of risks and possibilities. And I am the only person to engage in a line by line examination his treatise? It is erroneous in numerous sections. Contains a lot of obscure historical details, but seemingly ignores the important ones? What is the impact upon you from reading the document? What do you feel? What possible alternative motivations by the author are there?
On 12/6/15, Ryan Carboni <ryacko@gmail.com> wrote:
... Chomsky says that control is achieved through manipulating attitudes and opinions.
there is a parable, of the frog and the boiling pot... ;)
Erm... it's possible to learn by watching enough CCC videos of presentations to know all about the NSA and other five eyes intelligence.
you know this is a rough and obscured vision. remember retro reflectors?
The logistics of it is impossible to hide. They have satellites next to satellites to intercept data. The FBI has thirty thousand employees (and operates DITU). The NSA has five times the budget and same number of employees. The CIA has seven times the budget and twenty thousand employees. This is just the US, the rest of Five Eyes puts in their fair share as well.
this adds value to the leak trove; as reconstruction through evidence can be perfected based on observed and leaked details. there was a thread, last year. "datamine the snowden files" still a good idea, but not too many want to touch it? hmmm. ( see also, federal grants and publicly funded libraries and edus)
To ensure staying on the topic of cryptography, how many cryptographers do you think there are? Given the discovery of high level spies within intelligence agencies (Redl, Ames, Hanssen), how could cryptographers hope to assure security if the top spies can't? It has been alleged that activist groups had been penetrated and the course of discussion manipulated. If one million dollars per year is spent towards manipulating cryptography, how would you think it would be used?
how many cryptographers are working alone, in secret? that becomes an interesting question :)
The only secure place is your brain...
you're a lucky one, forever devoid of mental illness, then? congrats! and best regards,
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