How long before compulsory microchipping of cattle, I mean, 'citizens'?
On Wed, 18 May 2016 01:31:21 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/17/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll hazard : 20 years.
Nope, sorry, you're already effectively chipped. And considered cattle.
I think I know about the cattle status. I also know about cell phones. But cell phones are not put inside people (yet) nor mandatory (yet). So, you're not really anwswering the question (answering is not mandatory anyway)
Best you can do now is try to cast off your chains.
itsa variable On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 7:54 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 01:31:21 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/17/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll hazard : 20 years.
Nope, sorry, you're already effectively chipped. And considered cattle.
I think I know about the cattle status.
I also know about cell phones. But cell phones are not put inside people (yet) nor mandatory (yet). So, you're not really anwswering the question (answering is not mandatory anyway)
Best you can do now is try to cast off your chains.
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The funny thing, is not going to be compulsory, it's happening already voluntarily. Check chapter to of this documentary: Dark Net https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Net_%28TV_series%29 grarpamp:
On 5/17/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll hazard : 20 years. Nope, sorry, you're already effectively chipped. And considered cattle. Best you can do now is try to cast off your chains.
On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 12:02:26 +0000 "mrnobody@mail-on.us" <mrnobody@mail-on.us> wrote:
The funny thing, is not going to be compulsory, it's happening already voluntarily.
Sure, it's going to be 'voluntary' like taxes, conscription and every single dictate from the government.
Check chapter to of this documentary: Dark Net
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Net_%28TV_series%29
grarpamp:
On 5/17/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll hazard : 20 years. Nope, sorry, you're already effectively chipped. And considered cattle. Best you can do now is try to cast off your chains.
On 5/18/16, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/17/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll hazard : 20 years.
Nope, sorry, you're already effectively chipped. And considered cattle.
Can only agree 100% - try telling your friendly 'magistrate' that you are not accepting their jurisdiction except by evidence/ proof of jurisdiction over you, in the petty "papers please" case they dragged you to court for... say driving a car a little over the speed limit or without your govt issued permission license to travel by that mode of transport - it is very hard to hold ground, to not get railroaded in the "conversation" between you and the Magistrate as s/he challenges you straight back (which ought to have been left to the prosecutor at least, showing bluntly that the magistrate has ganged up against you on the police side of course) to not implicitly consent to --their-- jurisdiction as you try to field the blows (devious questions). It's really obnoxious stuff - well, challenging at least.
Best you can do now is try to cast off your chains.
ABSO-FIRETRUCKIN-LUTELY
On 5/18/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll hazard : 20 years.
: -> dogs - now in some places -> prison inmates +X years -> sex offenders +Y years -> everyone +Z years
In germany the id card has a chip They can scan the crowd of a protest and id's can be read When we went on actions some would not carry id some tried to mask the chip ... with different metals... We need cloaking devices We need ideas for invisibility making On May 19, 2016 9:42 AM, "Zenaan Harkness" <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On 5/18/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll hazard : 20 years.
: -> dogs - now in some places -> prison inmates +X years -> sex offenders +Y years -> everyone +Z years
On 5/18/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll hazard : 20 years.
: -> dogs - now in some places -> prison inmates +X years -> sex offenders +Y years -> everyone +Z years
On 5/19/16, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
In germany the id card has a chip
They can scan the crowd of a protest and id's can be read
When we went on actions some would not carry id some tried to mask the chip ... with different metals...
We need cloaking devices
We need ideas for invisibility making On May 19, 2016 9:42 AM, "Zenaan Harkness" <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On slashdullits today, face recognition at around 70% - I assume this will only increase. Now imagine your local police at a local RBT stop, where the RBT machine scans your eye for your genetic eyeprint. When we're talking "mandatory chip implant" we're talking "control by law enforcement, military and other government entities at 'papers please!' checkpoints" such as RBT etc. With biometric ID, they need no chip. Build your local group of rights defenders or this tyranny will continue to systematically increase. The right of travel has been turned into a "get permission from govt with a 'license' to travel"; right to choose how when and where to medicate your body is soon to be taken (here in Australia, no jab, no pay, as in, you don't vaccinate your child, your social security blanket is taken); fluoride in the water also violates our right to choose how we medicate our bodies - without money, you will consume fluoride; right to communicate anonymously? well round here we're very familiar with the attacks on -that- human right. And the list goes on...
On 05/18/2016 11:58 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
In germany the id card has a chip
They can scan the crowd of a protest and id's can be read
When we went on actions some would not carry id some tried to mask the chip ... with different metals...
We need cloaking devices
We need ideas for invisibility making
On May 19, 2016 9:42 AM, "Zenaan Harkness" <zen@freedbms.net <mailto:zen@freedbms.net>> wrote:
On 5/18/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com <mailto:juan.g71@gmail.com>> wrote: > I'll hazard : 20 years. > > http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35972480
: -> dogs - now in some places -> prison inmates +X years -> sex offenders +Y years -> everyone +Z years
My Social Security retirement fund 'Credit Card' has an rfid chip. They DO NOT issue checks anymore. They know their senior citizens are a threat and they want to track our purchasing patterns. Buy a little more fertilizer than your garden needs and wham-bam You're at Gitmo getting forced geritol enemas. Rr
On May 19, 2016 10:13:57 AM Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
My Social Security retirement fund 'Credit Card' has an rfid chip. They DO NOT issue checks anymore. They know their senior citizens are a threat and they want to track our purchasing patterns. Buy a little more fertilizer than your garden needs and wham-bam You're at Gitmo getting forced geritol enemas.
They may still issue the forced Geritol enemas (ha), but you can withdraw your monthly direct deposit and just use cash (or prepaid credit cards for online transactions) etc. Of course it doesn't stop them from snooping, but not having all the puzzle pieces in one box makes them work for it and it has the added bonus of diluting info siphoned by the data broker scum. As to RFID chips in general: don't forget that there are active and passive chips, and proximity matters. The dog catcher can't drive down your street with a scanner to see who has pets. That's not how passive RFID implants work. (Source: I am a grinder.) Before you worry that someone is scanning a crowd to ID protesters, check it against a card reader to measure the proximity. It's much more likely they'd identify people in a crowd by facial recognition. That said, RFID-blocking wallets and passport holders have been available for 15+ years and you should consider using one. They're relatively inexpensive now, but you can go totally DIY and use a metal container. A large Altoids tin (if they still make them, sometimes seen around the holidays) also holds a passport and a mobile phone. Very handy if you need to go totally dark in an instant. Always check for leaks around the edges of a wallet or container before trusting your safety to it. -S
From: Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:02 AM Subject: Re: How long before compulsory microchipping of cattle, I mean, 'citizens'? On 05/18/2016 11:58 PM, Cari Machet wrote: "In germany the id card has a chip "They can scan the crowd of a protest and id's can be read "When we went on actions some would not carry id some tried to mask the chip ... with different metals... "We need cloaking devices This is easy. It's called a "Faraday cage". A wallet lined with copper screen would do nicely. Jim Bell
From: Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:02 AM Subject: Re: How long before compulsory microchipping of cattle, I mean, 'citizens'?
On 05/18/2016 11:58 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
"In germany the id card has a chip "They can scan the crowd of a protest and id's can be read "When we went on actions some would not carry id some tried to mask the chip ... with different metals... "We need cloaking devices
This is easy. Â It's called a "Faraday cage". Â A wallet lined with copper screen would do nicely. Â Â Â Â Â Â Jim Bell
There are two sorts of vendors for faraday equipment. The "anti-radiation" nut jobs and the forensics and security vendors. If there web site contains mention of homeopathy or emf field protection, the products are probably crap. If they mention things like "evidence protection" they are probably not cranks. I made the mistake of buying from the first sort once. Nice pretty fabric that did nothing useful. Amazon carries isolation pouches for cell phones that work very nice to shield RFID chips and they only cost $10. Some are more expensive if you want a window to look inside.
On May 19, 2016 11:49:40 AM alan@clueserver.org wrote:
There are two sorts of vendors for faraday equipment.
The "anti-radiation" nut jobs and the forensics and security vendors.
If there web site contains mention of homeopathy or emf field protection, the products are probably crap.
If they mention things like "evidence protection" they are probably not cranks.
I made the mistake of buying from the first sort once. Nice pretty fabric that did nothing useful.
Amazon carries isolation pouches for cell phones that work very nice to shield RFID chips and they only cost $10. Some are more expensive if you want a window to look inside.
Right, but for not much more than $10 (mine was $16 and is quite nice), you can pick up an actual but nondescript RFID-blocking wallet made by some place like Travelon (for those who do not want to look like they're headed to Defcon every time they pull out their wallet.) The thing to watch for is how well the entire wallet acts as a Faraday cage, which is why I suggested checking for leaks around the edges. Some of the wallets only have lining in the credit card slots, so check the effectiveness of the blocking just by scanning a key card or metro card while it's still inside your wallet. Zippers and seams are where these things are likely to fail so be sure to try to scan the card through them when testing. -S
On 05/19/2016 11:43 AM, alan@clueserver.org wrote:
From: Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:02 AM Subject: Re: How long before compulsory microchipping of cattle, I mean, 'citizens'?
On 05/18/2016 11:58 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
"In germany the id card has a chip "They can scan the crowd of a protest and id's can be read "When we went on actions some would not carry id some tried to mask the chip ... with different metals... "We need cloaking devices
This is easy. Â It's called a "Faraday cage". Â A wallet lined with copper screen would do nicely. Â Â Â Â Â Â Jim Bell
There are two sorts of vendors for faraday equipment.
The "anti-radiation" nut jobs and the forensics and security vendors.
If there web site contains mention of homeopathy or emf field protection, the products are probably crap.
If they mention things like "evidence protection" they are probably not cranks.
I made the mistake of buying from the first sort once. Nice pretty fabric that did nothing useful.
Amazon carries isolation pouches for cell phones that work very nice to shield RFID chips and they only cost $10. Some are more expensive if you want a window to look inside.
You'd think mylar or even what passes for tin foil now days would work. Everything's low power and I can't imagine, especially at the frequencies involved, it woild take very much shielding. FWIW I already knew to withdraw all the cash and not sweat it. Now if I cold only figure out how to defeat the chemical tagging they do to Ammonium and Potassium Nitrate. snigger. Rr
On Thu, 19 May 2016 18:43:42 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
You'd think mylar
how exactly would non-conductive mylar(plastic) work?
or even what passes for tin foil now days would work. Everything's low power and I can't imagine, especially at the frequencies involved, it woild take very much shielding.
FWIW I already knew to withdraw all the cash and not sweat it. Now if I cold only figure out how to defeat the chemical tagging they do to Ammonium and Potassium Nitrate. snigger.
Rr
On 05/19/2016 07:45 PM, juan wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2016 18:43:42 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
You'd think mylar how exactly would non-conductive mylar(plastic) work?
It USED TO BE 'metallized'... and tin foil used to really have tin in it. As far a I knew mylar is still metallized but I haven't tried putting any in a microwave oven recently. Rr
or even what passes for tin foil now days would work. Everything's low power and I can't imagine, especially at the frequencies involved, it woild take very much shielding.
FWIW I already knew to withdraw all the cash and not sweat it. Now if I cold only figure out how to defeat the chemical tagging they do to Ammonium and Potassium Nitrate. snigger.
Rr
On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:20:34 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 05/19/2016 07:45 PM, juan wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2016 18:43:42 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
You'd think mylar how exactly would non-conductive mylar(plastic) work?
It USED TO BE 'metallized'... and tin foil used to really have tin in it.
Now that you mention it, I think chocolate used to be wrapped in very thin tin foil (or perhaps it was aluminium?)
On 5/19/16, Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
You'd think mylar or even what passes for tin foil now days would work. Everything's low power and I can't imagine, especially at the frequencies involved, it woild take very much shielding.
A single layer single fold bag of grocery store aluminum foil inhibits cell and rfid just fine, to the point that an activist could easily carry enough foil as a condom sized prep pack. Though it doesn't hold up to haphazard random access well.
On 05/20/2016 01:17 AM, grarpamp wrote:
On 5/19/16, Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
You'd think mylar or even what passes for tin foil now days would work. Everything's low power and I can't imagine, especially at the frequencies involved, it woild take very much shielding.
A single layer single fold bag of grocery store aluminum foil inhibits cell and rfid just fine, to the point that an activist could easily carry enough foil as a condom sized prep pack. Though it doesn't hold up to haphazard random access well.
The plastic film from reflective (but not translucent) antistatic bags works well. You can use aluminum tape for sealing seams. But my favorite is nickel/silver-plated nylon fabric. It's durable, and drapes well. You can make clothing from it. Or curtains.
On 5/20/16, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
The plastic film from reflective (but not translucent) antistatic bags works well. You can use aluminum tape for sealing seams. But my favorite is nickel/silver-plated nylon fabric. It's durable, and drapes well. You can make clothing from it. Or curtains.
Needs to be in the walls though. Retrofitting aluminum there should be fairly cheap. Don't forget to optically drape your plates, add set of dashboard pullcords to them ftw... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/10/license-plate-readers-exposed-how-publ...
On 2016-05-19 14:29, jim bell wrote:
FROM: Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> TO: cypherpunks@cpunks.org SENT: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:02 AM SUBJECT: Re: How long before compulsory microchipping of cattle, I mean, 'citizens'?
On 05/18/2016 11:58 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
"In germany the id card has a chip "They can scan the crowd of a protest and id's can be read "When we went on actions some would not carry id some tried to mask the chip ... with different metals... "We need cloaking devices
This is easy. It's called a "Faraday cage". A wallet lined with copper screen would do nicely. Jim Bell
My roommate tried this with a bit of aluminum foil lining the beanie he habitually wore pulled snugly on his head. It didn't stop the satellite beams, unfortunately.. And, no, he was NOT schizophrenic. Well, at least he said he wasnt, heh... -- John Newman
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