Happy 4 July!!! Long live the 'merican dream, long live the NSA!!! The founding fathers based slavery mainly on skin color. Nowadays every a'merican has _equal_ opportunity of slavery, this is how progress works AFAICT.
On 07/04/2016 06:18 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
Happy 4 July!!!
Long live the 'merican dream, long live the NSA!!!
The founding fathers based slavery mainly on skin color.
Nowadays every a'merican has _equal_ opportunity of slavery, this is how progress works AFAICT.
America never had a revolution. Revolutions are based on ideology. Greed is NOT an ideology. Ben Franklin on the roots of that Greed: "Sir, there are two passions which have a powerful influence on the affairs of men. These are ambition and avarice; the love of power, and the love of money. Separately each of these has great force in prompting men to action; but when united in view of the same object, they have in many minds the most violent effects. Place before the eyes of such men, a post of honor that shall be at the same time a place of profit, and they will move heaven and earth to obtain it. The vast number of such places it is that renders the British Government so tempestuous. The struggles for them are the true sources of all these factions which are perpetually dividing the Nation, distracting its Councils, hurrying sometimes into fruitless and mischievous wars, and often compelling a submission to dishonorable terms of peace. And of what kind are the men that will strive for this profitable pre-eminence, through all the bustle of cabal, the heat of contention, the infinite mutual abuse of parties, tearing to pieces the best of characters? It will not be the wise and moderate; the Iovers of peace and good order, the men fittest for the trust. It will be the bold and the violent, the men of strong passions and indefatigable activity in their selfish pursuits. These will thrust themselves into your Government and be your rulers. And these too will be mistaken in the expected happiness of their situation: For their vanquished competitors of the same spirit, and from the aame motives will perpetually be endeavoring to distress their administration, thwart their measures, and render them odious to the people." ~Benjamin Franklin, Opposition to Executive Salaries, Constitutional Convention June 2 1787 http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/documents/1786-1800/the-anti-federalist-papers/opp...
(south park - season 7 ep 1) Adams: We must go to war! Dickinson: But what about the violence?! The lives lost?! If we found a country, it should be founded on peace and diplomacy. Congressman 1: England will only understand one thing: Force. Congressman 2: [rises] I must state again for the record that South Carolina, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Georgia are against war! [pounds the table with his fist] Congressman 3: Yeah, because you don't care about the fate of the Colonies like we do! You're all unpatriotic! And if you don't like the Colonies, then you can git out! Dickinson: Don't you call us unpatriotic! We're protesting this war because we care so deeply for the fate of our Colonies! You are all unpatriotic for leading the Colonies into a war that half of them don't want! [the various Congressmen begin squabblig with each other] Cartman: [observing] Whoa, how very very relevant. Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble! Dickinson: We cannot found a country based on war! Adams: We cannot found a country that is afraid to fight! Congressman: Rabble! Congressmen: Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble! [the doors open and in walks an august figure. The boisterous voices become hushed] Oh my, it's Benjamin Franklin. It's Benjamin Franklin. It's Benjamin Franklin. [they keep murmuring this as Franklin walks towards the main desk] Cartman: Oh, it's Benjamin Franklin. It's Benjamin Franklin. It's Benjamin Franklin. Hancock: Mr. Franklin, where do you stand on the war issue? Franklin: I believe that if we are to form a new country, we cannot be a country that appears war-hungry and violent to the rest of the world. However, we also cannot be a country that appears weak and unwilling to fight to the rest of the world. So, what if we form a country that appears to want both? Jefferson: Yes. Yes of course. We go to war, and protest going to war at the same time. Dickinson: Right. If the people of our new country are allowed to do whatever they wish, then some will support the war and some will protest it. Franklin: And that means that as a nation, we could go to war with whomever we wished, but at the same time, act like we didn't want to. If we allow the people to protest what the government does, then the country will be forever blameless. Adams: [holding a slice of chocolate cake] It's like having your cake, and eating it, too. Congressman 2: Think of it: an entire nation founded on saying one thing and doing another. Hancock: And we will call that country the United States of America. --------------- Think of it: an entire nation founded on saying one thing and doing another.
Similar, set to a monty python skit: A man and woman enter. The man is played by Eric Idle, the woman is played by Graham Chapman (in drag), and the Secretary of State is played by Terry Jones, also in drag. Man: You sit here, dear. Woman: All right. Man: Morning! Secretary of State: Morning! Man: Well, what’ve you got? Secretary of State: Well, there’s sanctions and prosecutions; sanctions drone strikes and prosecutions; sanctions and war; sanctions prosecutions and war; sanctions prosecutions drone strikes and war; war prosecutions drone strikes and war; war sanctions war war prosecutions and war; war drone strikes war war prosecutions war cyber war and war; Vikings: War war war war… Secretary of State: …war war war sanctions and war; war war war war war war targeted assassinations war war war… Vikings: War! Lovely war! Lovely war! Secretary of State: …or a United Nations resolution combined with infiltration, a USAID fake Twitter application, a CIA overthrow, trained enhanced interrogators and with crippling sanctions on top and war. Woman: Have you got anything without war? Secretary of State: Well, there’s war sanctions drone strikes and war, that’s not got much war in it. Woman: I don’t want ANY war! Man: Why can’t she have sanctions prosecutions war and drone strikes? Woman: THAT’S got war in it! Man: Hasn’t got as much war in it as war sanctions drone strikes and war, has it? Vikings: War war war war… (Crescendo through next few lines…) Woman: Could you do the sanctions prosecutions war and drone strikes without the war then? Secretary of State: Urgghh! Woman: What do you mean ‘Urgghh’? I don’t like war! Vikings: Lovely war! Wonderful war! Secretary of State: Shut up! Vikings: Lovely war! Wonderful war! Secretary of State: Shut up! (Vikings stop) Bloody Vikings! You can’t have sanctions prosecutions war and drone strikes without the war. Woman: I don’t like war! Man: Sshh, dear, don’t cause a fuss. I’ll have your war. I love it. I’m having war war war war war war war targeted assassinations war war war and war! Vikings: War war war war. Lovely war! Wonderful war! Secretary of State: Shut up!! Targeted assassinations are off. Man: Well could I have her war instead of the targeted assassinations then? Secretary of State: You mean war war war war war war… (but it is too late and the Vikings drown her words) Vikings: (Singing elaborately…) War war war war. Lovely war! Wonderful war! War w-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-r war w-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-r war. Lovely war! Lovely war! Lovely war! Lovely war! Lovely war! War war war war! No actual diplomats were harmed in the making of this production. http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/96175631379 (H/t WashingtonBlog and David Swanson) On 07/04/2016 10:27 AM, juan wrote:
(south park - season 7 ep 1)
Adams: We must go to war!
Dickinson: But what about the violence?! The lives lost?! If we found a country, it should be founded on peace and diplomacy.
Congressman 1: England will only understand one thing: Force.
Congressman 2: [rises] I must state again for the record that South Carolina, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Georgia are against war! [pounds the table with his fist]
Congressman 3: Yeah, because you don't care about the fate of the Colonies like we do! You're all unpatriotic! And if you don't like the Colonies, then you can git out!
Dickinson: Don't you call us unpatriotic! We're protesting this war because we care so deeply for the fate of our Colonies! You are all unpatriotic for leading the Colonies into a war that half of them don't want! [the various Congressmen begin squabblig with each other]
Cartman: [observing] Whoa, how very very relevant.
Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble!
Dickinson: We cannot found a country based on war!
Adams: We cannot found a country that is afraid to fight!
Congressman: Rabble!
Congressmen: Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble!
[the doors open and in walks an august figure. The boisterous voices become hushed] Oh my, it's Benjamin Franklin. It's Benjamin Franklin. It's Benjamin Franklin. [they keep murmuring this as Franklin walks towards the main desk]
Cartman: Oh, it's Benjamin Franklin. It's Benjamin Franklin. It's Benjamin Franklin.
Hancock: Mr. Franklin, where do you stand on the war issue?
Franklin: I believe that if we are to form a new country, we cannot be a country that appears war-hungry and violent to the rest of the world. However, we also cannot be a country that appears weak and unwilling to fight to the rest of the world. So, what if we form a country that appears to want both?
Jefferson: Yes. Yes of course. We go to war, and protest going to war at the same time.
Dickinson: Right. If the people of our new country are allowed to do whatever they wish, then some will support the war and some will protest it.
Franklin: And that means that as a nation, we could go to war with whomever we wished, but at the same time, act like we didn't want to. If we allow the people to protest what the government does, then the country will be forever blameless.
Adams: [holding a slice of chocolate cake] It's like having your cake, and eating it, too.
Congressman 2: Think of it: an entire nation founded on saying one thing and doing another.
Hancock: And we will call that country the United States of America.
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Think of it: an entire nation founded on saying one thing and doing another.
On Jul 4, 2016, at 1:27 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
Think of it: an entire nation founded on saying one thing and doing another.
Lol. They get it right it sometimes (southpark), hilarious the rest of the time if you’re just stoned on weed. Anyway - “an entire nation founded on saying one thing and doing another”… I don’t think it was an original concept in the late 18th century, and its sure the fuck not an original concept now. This is just kinda how shit, err, “works”... — John
On 07/05/2016 10:47 AM, John Newman wrote:
On Jul 4, 2016, at 1:27 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
Think of it: an entire nation founded on saying one thing and doing another.
Lol. They get it right it sometimes (southpark), hilarious the rest of the time if you’re just stoned on weed.
Anyway - “an entire nation founded on saying one thing and doing another”… I don’t think it was an original concept in the late 18th century, and its sure the fuck not an original concept now. This is just kinda how shit, err, “works”...
— John
Psychopaths rise to the top of the shitpile and self-select It's the B and C of the Abcs of psychopathy No bonds No conscience Can lie with straight face and even the physiological signs of lying aren't there. Here's a classic end result when non-psychopaths get pwned:
"General Miles said to me in plain words, "If you will come out and give up your arms, I will spare your lives and send you back to the reservation." General Miles had promised we might return to our country with what stock we had left. ... I believed General Miles, or I never would have surrendered." ~Chief Joseph, "An Indian's Views of Indian Affairs," North American Review, vol. CXXVIII, 1879, pg. 429
Rr
On 7/5/16, Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
Psychopaths rise to the top of the shitpile and self-select It's the B and C of the Abcs of psychopathy No bonds No conscience Can lie with straight face and even the physiological signs of lying aren't there. Here's a classic end result when non-psychopaths get pwned:
"General Miles said to me in plain words, "If you will come out and give up your arms, I will spare your lives and send you back to the reservation." General Miles had promised we might return to our country with what stock we had left. ... I believed General Miles, or I never would have surrendered." ~Chief Joseph, "An Indian's Views of Indian Affairs," North American Review, vol. CXXVIII, 1879, pg. 429
The former being flatly damning of the white man, his later words are equally interesting... https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-November/010874.html To the victor...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/04/saudi-arabia-bombings-jeddah-m... http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/07/05/484817551/illinois-man-is-... http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-po... http://theadvocate.com/news/16311988-77/report-one-baton-rouge-police-office... https://theintercept.com/2016/07/05/washington-has-been-obsessed-with-punish... Maybe was not so happy.
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 06:18:01 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe was not so happy.
Double sad now.
video is censored by age
On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 04:27:03PM -0300, juan wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 06:18:01 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe was not so happy.
Double sad now.
video is censored by age
Some can't be downloaded, but I only watch those I can download. This way, if I've seen it, I always have a copy to upload somewhere for the next gal.
On Tue, Jul 05, 2016 at 01:47:40PM -0400, John Newman wrote:
Lol. They get it right it sometimes (southpark), hilarious the rest of the time if you’re just stoned on weed.
Anyway - “an entire nation founded on saying one thing and doing another”… I don’t think it was an original concept in the late 18th century, and its sure the fuck not an original concept now. This is just kinda how shit, err, “works”...
When is the official end of slavery in the USA? (in ancient times I mean, not now) According to wiki "the land of the free" propaganda was published in 1814 and the "founding fathers" didn't care about slavery at all.
On Wed, Jul 06, 2016 at 04:02:04PM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Tue, Jul 05, 2016 at 01:47:40PM -0400, John Newman wrote:
Lol. They get it right it sometimes (southpark), hilarious the rest of the time if you’re just stoned on weed.
Anyway - “an entire nation founded on saying one thing and doing another”… I don’t think it was an original concept in the late 18th century, and its sure the fuck not an original concept now. This is just kinda how shit, err, “works”...
When is the official end of slavery in the USA? (in ancient times I mean, not now)
According to wiki "the land of the free" propaganda was published in 1814 and the "founding fathers" didn't care about slavery at all.
Or we can say, they cared very deeply ("it wasn't wrong, it was good business practice!") about their businesses...
On 07/06/2016 06:02 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Tue, Jul 05, 2016 at 01:47:40PM -0400, John Newman wrote:
Lol. They get it right it sometimes (southpark), hilarious the rest of the time if you’re just stoned on weed.
Anyway - “an entire nation founded on saying one thing and doing another”… I don’t think it was an original concept in the late 18th century, and its sure the fuck not an original concept now. This is just kinda how shit, err, “works”...
When is the official end of slavery in the USA? (in ancient times I mean, not now)
According to wiki "the land of the free" propaganda was published in 1814 and the "founding fathers" didn't care about slavery at all.
The founders cared VERY MUCH about slavery. There was no industry of note, only agriculture, and the plantation/slave system was the only source of revenue for the country. As far a black folks being equal and not enslaved? Still workin' on it. Wallet. Sleeping. Skittles. Cell phone. Loud music. Cigarettes. Cigarillos. Shopping at Walmart. Toy gun. Failure to signal. CD's. In case you can't make the connection, these are reasons Black People in America are murdered by the police every day. Rr
On 07/04/2016 06:18 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
Happy 4 July!!!
Long live the 'merican dream, long live the NSA!!!
The founding fathers based slavery mainly on skin color.
Nowadays every a'merican has _equal_ opportunity of slavery, this is how progress works AFAICT.
Getting weird in Dallas. I have a few words to say regarding... #AltonSterling #PhilandoCastile focus for #PoliceMurders protests disrupted by Sniper killing cops in #Dallas https://twitter.com/AuntieImperial/status/751258860120264704 Also: https://twitter.com/406Llama/status/751263504779190274 Let's see how my spidey-sense about mayhem is working...
On 7/8/16, Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
Happy 4 July!!! The founding fathers based slavery mainly on skin color.
Happily, now all colors are free to excercise their 2nd amendment rights, stay legal and have no intent to commit crimes (TX is big open carry)... regardless of how stupid they are to stand around like a dumbass in the middle of one that goes down right across the street with amped up police crawling everywhere... would be amazing if he made it back home alive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWAvPy7-0-Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BFur0EHzT8
Getting weird
Word. Police brutality, murder, etc is one thing and systemic. The last two are having decently abiding protests, but this Dallas news was a huge wrong move and anti solution. Triple sad. Quad if you count the kid shot in Fresno.
would be amazing if he made it back home alive.
Alive and well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sJq-7ZcZMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owSJePQD8cs And one nutbag properly arrested... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebv-B1B3LI0 Interesting how mass adoption of internet, phones, crypto, twitters, etc is bringing multiple independant civilian news reports with video on any event from around the world in just tens of minutes to a world of viewers. Complete with a variety of independant and collective analysis and feedback into future things. And the big networks are now sourcing from that. Big change from just 5-10 years ago. That part's working. Yet we still hear "ban crypto" "censor net" "kill p2p". Sad.
On 07/08/2016 12:06 AM, grarpamp wrote:
would be amazing if he made it back home alive. Alive and well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sJq-7ZcZMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owSJePQD8cs
And one nutbag properly arrested...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebv-B1B3LI0
Interesting how mass adoption of internet, phones, crypto, twitters, etc is bringing multiple independant civilian news reports with video on any event from around the world in just tens of minutes to a world of viewers. Complete with a variety of independant and collective analysis and feedback into future things. And the big networks are now sourcing from that. Big change from just 5-10 years ago. That part's working.
Yet we still hear "ban crypto" "censor net" "kill p2p". Sad.
The first time I ever saw Telnet /(the occupation of Courant Physics Institute NYU during the Cambodia/Laos invasion student strike... ALMOST got to take a fireaxe to an Arpanet machine!)/ I thought Jeez! If you could get US kids chatting with Vietnamese kids the government could NEVER indoctrinate them with the idea that those kids are "Gooks" or "Slopes". Hasn't happened quite yet, but my one joy is it has become virtually impossible to lie about wars and other state-sponsored mayhem for long. It's caused a certain 'acceleration' of the kind of wars that do get fought before the truth catches up, and in that process, the wars become more brutal, and more obviously illegal under international law, or what's left of international law... Rr
On 7/8/16, Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 07/08/2016 12:06 AM, grarpamp wrote:
And one nutbag properly arrested... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebv-B1B3LI0
As with the other, seems this guy just chose a nutty outfit, thus making the interaction quite remarkable.
The first time I ever saw Telnet /(the occupation of Courant Physics Institute NYU during the Cambodia/Laos invasion student strike... ALMOST got to take a fireaxe to an Arpanet machine!)/ I thought Jeez! If you could get US kids chatting with Vietnamese kids the government could
International telnet / ntalk / IRC from the student computer labs / dialup... this was a thing in the late 80's and 90's, way before AIM / ICQ / facebook. Not encrypted, not really anonymized, probably not even tapped, and personal, as opposed being any part at all to news media with their wire. Though of course western europe and a few select institutions outside were the only ones reasonably well connected and free and english speaking on the other end... germany, england, finns, brit colonies. Scanned pictures then, and now video transcends written language, just a mouse click away.
On 07/08/2016 09:55 AM, grarpamp wrote:
nternational telnet / ntalk / IRC from the student computer labs / dialup... this was a thing in the late 80's and 90's
It was an ArpaNet machine a mid-size mainframe in an air conditioned room. Telnet and all the Unix comm stuff had already been developed but only a few mil companies had access to .com addresses in the early 70s to use it. They didn't toy with the machine (just toyed with the idea of taking an ax to it) but that's about the same time period I first heard about telnet, ftp, irc. Rr Ps. Ended up pissing on it and destroying the air conditioning's access to the room (blocked vents). Prolly caused a zillion dollars in damage. The perps escaped into the crowd in the building as the police entered to clear it and were never caught.
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