Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept
my problem with laura as with jeremy is that they are too capitalistic and therein breech ethics
That's the crucial fault of the Snowden campaign, its corrupt core, ambition and greed triumphant. Snowden is paying the high price for others' profit. A nadir in contemporary journalism seemingly without bottom. Meanwhile obsessive handwringing about petty story fabrication, as if to avoid the principal fabrication of 2013-2015, instead praising, awarding, investing, promoting, recycling, gaming, streaming, TEDing, Oscaring, glorifying, comedifying it.
On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 20:43:48 -0400 John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
my problem with laura as with jeremy is that they are too capitalistic and therein breech ethics
That's the crucial fault of the Snowden campaign, its corrupt core, ambition and greed triumphant. Snowden is paying the high price for others' profit. A nadir in contemporary journalism seemingly without bottom.
I watched the snowden/poitras documentary a few days ago and it wasn't that bad. What I find somewhat puzzling is the fact that greenwald would cooperate with 'capitalists' like the ebay owner? Wasn't greenwald some kind of 'liberal'? Also, is the snowden affair really being handled in a way to maximize profits? For whom? It's not as if the snowden affair is some kind of hollywood nazi fairy tale. I don't think western imperialists like to be reminded what kind of garbage they are.
Meanwhile obsessive handwringing about petty story fabrication, as if to avoid the principal fabrication of 2013-2015, instead praising, awarding, investing, promoting, recycling, gaming, streaming, TEDing, Oscaring, glorifying, comedifying it.
Westerners like shit that makes money glenn greenwald backed the invasion of iraq because >>>>>> vengeance which means he aint that fucking bright glenn greenwald was a corporate lawyer anyway liberals are not that bright too ALL snowden docs should go to EFF - should have gone there in the beginning for analysis snowden gave those docs to people unqualified to deal with them and they still are not qualified their capacity is far too low for them to ever be qualified the mere fact that they drip so slowly says so much no-no laura greenwald and scahill arent making any money... i think we should start a collection up for them i am afraid they arent eating actual food On Apr 7, 2015 8:10 AM, "Juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 20:43:48 -0400 John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
my problem with laura as with jeremy is that they are too capitalistic and therein breech ethics
That's the crucial fault of the Snowden campaign, its corrupt core, ambition and greed triumphant. Snowden is paying the high price for others' profit. A nadir in contemporary journalism seemingly without bottom.
I watched the snowden/poitras documentary a few days ago and it wasn't that bad.
What I find somewhat puzzling is the fact that greenwald would cooperate with 'capitalists' like the ebay owner? Wasn't greenwald some kind of 'liberal'?
Also, is the snowden affair really being handled in a way to maximize profits? For whom?
It's not as if the snowden affair is some kind of hollywood nazi fairy tale. I don't think western imperialists like to be reminded what kind of garbage they are.
Meanwhile obsessive handwringing about petty story fabrication, as if to avoid the principal fabrication of 2013-2015, instead praising, awarding, investing, promoting, recycling, gaming, streaming, TEDing, Oscaring, glorifying, comedifying it.
On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 06:13:30 +0200 Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
glenn greenwald backed the invasion of iraq because >>>>>> vengeance which means he aint that fucking bright glenn greenwald was a corporate lawyer
I had assumed greenwald was a progressive/liberal (now leaning more libertarian) but looks I was partially wrong. A quick search suggests he was a bush supporter of sorts? And he used to write for salon.com. And for what it's worth, wikitrash now lists him as libertarian. So...kinda mixed.
anyway liberals are not that bright too
ALL snowden docs should go to EFF - should have gone there in the beginning for analysis snowden gave those docs to people unqualified to deal with them and they still are not qualified their capacity is far too low for them to ever be qualified the mere fact that they drip so slowly says so much
Well, everything should have been put in the public domain from day zero. But Snowden thought that would hurt the interests of the american nazi state. Or maybe he didn't want to be killed like a dog. Who knows.
no-no laura greenwald and scahill arent making any money... i think we should start a collection up for them i am afraid they arent eating actual food
I'm guessing that's sarcasm =P - No, I don't think greenwald is starving either. My point is that I'm not sure how they are making money off the snowden docs...except if they are being paid to not publish them (which is a possibility) Also, I don't think greenwald and poitras are too loyal to the US government at this point. The ebay owner on the other hand... J.
On 04/06/2015 10:29 PM, Juan wrote:
Well, everything should have been put in the public domain from day zero. But Snowden thought that would hurt the interests of the american nazi state. Or maybe he didn't want to be killed like a dog. Who knows.
I know. As many people who've attempted to change the Crypto-Fascist shithole called "America" have noted, the powers that be ARE TOO STRONG to take on... head on. Snowden has set in motion The 'death of a thousand (intelligence) cuts' to weaken the surveillance state enough that the issue can be approached at all in some way that MAY change it. As far as whether Greenwald and co or Snowden's a capitalist, or a libertard, a demoncrat or rethuglican (the ONLY diff is who receives the booty from our imperial adventurism where brown people die) ...is absolutely irrelevant to the end result.
dear mirimir you cannot read 'Nonetheless, because of the general faith I had in political and media institutions, I assumed - since both political parties and media outlets and journalists from across the ideological spectrum were united in support of the war - that there must be some valid basis to the claim that Saddam posed a threat. My basic trust in these institutions neutralized the objections I had and led me to passively acquiesce to what was being done ("I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.").' did you read the motherfucking article? this should tell you how duplicitous he is just like the government says he didnt do anything - he didnt fuck that bitch - oh he fucked them hard though also daily kos sucks On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/06/2015 10:29 PM, Juan wrote:
Well, everything should have been put in the public domain from day zero. But Snowden thought that would hurt the interests of the american nazi state. Or maybe he didn't want to be killed like a dog. Who knows.
I know. As many people who've attempted to change the Crypto-Fascist shithole called "America" have noted, the powers that be ARE TOO STRONG to take on... head on.
Snowden has set in motion The 'death of a thousand (intelligence) cuts' to weaken the surveillance state enough that the issue can be approached at all in some way that MAY change it.
As far as whether Greenwald and co or Snowden's a capitalist, or a libertard, a demoncrat or rethuglican (the ONLY diff is who receives the booty from our imperial adventurism where brown people die) ...is absolutely irrelevant to the end result.
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On 04/07/2015 11:50 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
dear mirimir you cannot read
'Nonetheless, because of the general faith I had in political and media institutions, I assumed - since both political parties and media outlets and journalists from across the ideological spectrum were united in support of the war - that there must be some valid basis to the claim that Saddam posed a threat. My basic trust in these institutions neutralized the objections I had and led me to passively acquiesce to what was being done ("I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.").'
did you read the motherfucking article?
Yes, I read the motherfucking article. He says that he was apathetic, and trusted institutions (and even that asshole W). Maybe he needs to do more mea culpas for that, or cut off his left pinkie. But unless you cite some public statement where he actively supported the invasion, rather than just deferred to arguably better-informed opinions, it's no big deal in the current context. In my opinion.
this should tell you how duplicitous he is just like the government says he didnt do anything - he didnt fuck that bitch - oh he fucked them hard though
I'd say rather that he let Uncle Dick finger fuck him, but just a little ;)
also daily kos sucks
Yeah, I don't read that shit.
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/06/2015 10:29 PM, Juan wrote:
Well, everything should have been put in the public domain from day zero. But Snowden thought that would hurt the interests of the american nazi state. Or maybe he didn't want to be killed like a dog. Who knows.
I know. As many people who've attempted to change the Crypto-Fascist shithole called "America" have noted, the powers that be ARE TOO STRONG to take on... head on.
Snowden has set in motion The 'death of a thousand (intelligence) cuts' to weaken the surveillance state enough that the issue can be approached at all in some way that MAY change it.
As far as whether Greenwald and co or Snowden's a capitalist, or a libertard, a demoncrat or rethuglican (the ONLY diff is who receives the booty from our imperial adventurism where brown people die) ...is absolutely irrelevant to the end result.
mirimir i would have to dig up the quote where the fuck says that basically it is good us is invading to get back at the iraqi's for 9-11 umn the iraqi's had nothing to do with 9-11 and he swallowed that tripe... i am sorry but that is just stupid x 5 million i dont care about his excuses my pet spider even knew it was crap if you can give him a pass for being 'apathetic' which i wouldnt frame it like that then that says a lot about you - its not apathy to support a fucking invasion of a people - people that are apathetic are like i dont know not oh yay lets do it it is a totally different mindset and that he is here in daily kos framing out this lie says more to me about his lack of character than anything and you of course didnt address that part - if the fuck was an actual person he could be like yay i sucked but now i know better i changed its so great we get to change our minds in our lifetimes and fucking grow but does gleenny do that no he cant face himself its pathetic he lives in his ego ego doesnt want people saying they are wrong ever and its a death echo chamber On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/07/2015 11:50 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
dear mirimir you cannot read
'Nonetheless, because of the general faith I had in political and media institutions, I assumed - since both political parties and media outlets and journalists from across the ideological spectrum were united in support of the war - that there must be some valid basis to the claim that Saddam posed a threat. My basic trust in these institutions neutralized the objections I had and led me to passively acquiesce to what was being done ("I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.").'
did you read the motherfucking article?
Yes, I read the motherfucking article. He says that he was apathetic, and trusted institutions (and even that asshole W). Maybe he needs to do more mea culpas for that, or cut off his left pinkie. But unless you cite some public statement where he actively supported the invasion, rather than just deferred to arguably better-informed opinions, it's no big deal in the current context. In my opinion.
this should tell you how duplicitous he is just like the government says he didnt do anything - he didnt fuck that bitch - oh he fucked them hard though
I'd say rather that he let Uncle Dick finger fuck him, but just a little ;)
also daily kos sucks
Yeah, I don't read that shit.
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/06/2015 10:29 PM, Juan wrote:
Well, everything should have been put in the public domain from day zero. But Snowden thought that would hurt the interests of the american nazi state. Or maybe he didn't want to be killed like a dog. Who knows.
I know. As many people who've attempted to change the Crypto-Fascist shithole called "America" have noted, the powers that be ARE TOO STRONG to take on... head on.
Snowden has set in motion The 'death of a thousand (intelligence) cuts' to weaken the surveillance state enough that the issue can be approached at all in some way that MAY change it.
As far as whether Greenwald and co or Snowden's a capitalist, or a libertard, a demoncrat or rethuglican (the ONLY diff is who receives the booty from our imperial adventurism where brown people die) ...is absolutely irrelevant to the end result.
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here: https://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/glenn-greenwald-supported-pr... he actually uses the fucking word 'vengeance' ... fuck someone sent this to me on twitter long ago so this isnt anything new i am pointing out On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
mirimir i would have to dig up the quote where the fuck says that basically it is good us is invading to get back at the iraqi's for 9-11
umn the iraqi's had nothing to do with 9-11 and he swallowed that tripe... i am sorry but that is just stupid x 5 million
i dont care about his excuses my pet spider even knew it was crap
if you can give him a pass for being 'apathetic' which i wouldnt frame it like that then that says a lot about you - its not apathy to support a fucking invasion of a people - people that are apathetic are like i dont know not oh yay lets do it it is a totally different mindset
and that he is here in daily kos framing out this lie says more to me about his lack of character than anything and you of course didnt address that part - if the fuck was an actual person he could be like yay i sucked but now i know better i changed its so great we get to change our minds in our lifetimes and fucking grow but does gleenny do that no he cant face himself its pathetic he lives in his ego
ego doesnt want people saying they are wrong ever and its a death echo chamber
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/07/2015 11:50 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
dear mirimir you cannot read
'Nonetheless, because of the general faith I had in political and media institutions, I assumed - since both political parties and media outlets and journalists from across the ideological spectrum were united in support of the war - that there must be some valid basis to the claim that Saddam posed a threat. My basic trust in these institutions neutralized the objections I had and led me to passively acquiesce to what was being done ("I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.").'
did you read the motherfucking article?
Yes, I read the motherfucking article. He says that he was apathetic, and trusted institutions (and even that asshole W). Maybe he needs to do more mea culpas for that, or cut off his left pinkie. But unless you cite some public statement where he actively supported the invasion, rather than just deferred to arguably better-informed opinions, it's no big deal in the current context. In my opinion.
this should tell you how duplicitous he is just like the government says he didnt do anything - he didnt fuck that bitch - oh he fucked them hard though
I'd say rather that he let Uncle Dick finger fuck him, but just a little ;)
also daily kos sucks
Yeah, I don't read that shit.
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/06/2015 10:29 PM, Juan wrote:
Well, everything should have been put in the public domain from day zero. But Snowden thought that would hurt the interests of the american nazi state. Or maybe he didn't want to be killed like a dog. Who knows.
I know. As many people who've attempted to change the Crypto-Fascist shithole called "America" have noted, the powers that be ARE TOO STRONG to take on... head on.
Snowden has set in motion The 'death of a thousand (intelligence) cuts' to weaken the surveillance state enough that the issue can be
at all in some way that MAY change it.
As far as whether Greenwald and co or Snowden's a capitalist, or a libertard, a demoncrat or rethuglican (the ONLY diff is who receives
approached the
booty from our imperial adventurism where brown people die) ...is absolutely irrelevant to the end result.
-- Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 carimachet@gmail.com AIM carismachet Syria +963-099 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Berlin +49 152 11779219 Reykjavik +354 894 8650 Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet>
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On 04/07/2015 06:55 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
here: https://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/glenn-greenwald-supported-pr...
he actually uses the fucking word 'vengeance' ... fuck
Yes, he does. But he says that about invading _Afghanistan_, not Iraq. He says that he took W's word on Iraq. That does not reflect well on him, and I'm disappointed that he hasn't acknowledged his error. But so it goes. It it were vengeance the US wanted, they should have invaded Saudi Arabia :) Free oil! They should also have cut off the fucking Israelis, who knew that the attack was immanent.
someone sent this to me on twitter long ago so this isnt anything new i am pointing out
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
mirimir i would have to dig up the quote where the fuck says that basically it is good us is invading to get back at the iraqi's for 9-11
umn the iraqi's had nothing to do with 9-11 and he swallowed that tripe... i am sorry but that is just stupid x 5 million
i dont care about his excuses my pet spider even knew it was crap
if you can give him a pass for being 'apathetic' which i wouldnt frame it like that then that says a lot about you - its not apathy to support a fucking invasion of a people - people that are apathetic are like i dont know not oh yay lets do it it is a totally different mindset
and that he is here in daily kos framing out this lie says more to me about his lack of character than anything and you of course didnt address that part - if the fuck was an actual person he could be like yay i sucked but now i know better i changed its so great we get to change our minds in our lifetimes and fucking grow but does gleenny do that no he cant face himself its pathetic he lives in his ego
ego doesnt want people saying they are wrong ever and its a death echo chamber
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/07/2015 11:50 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
dear mirimir you cannot read
'Nonetheless, because of the general faith I had in political and media institutions, I assumed - since both political parties and media outlets and journalists from across the ideological spectrum were united in support of the war - that there must be some valid basis to the claim that Saddam posed a threat. My basic trust in these institutions neutralized the objections I had and led me to passively acquiesce to what was being done ("I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.").'
did you read the motherfucking article?
Yes, I read the motherfucking article. He says that he was apathetic, and trusted institutions (and even that asshole W). Maybe he needs to do more mea culpas for that, or cut off his left pinkie. But unless you cite some public statement where he actively supported the invasion, rather than just deferred to arguably better-informed opinions, it's no big deal in the current context. In my opinion.
this should tell you how duplicitous he is just like the government says he didnt do anything - he didnt fuck that bitch - oh he fucked them hard though
I'd say rather that he let Uncle Dick finger fuck him, but just a little ;)
also daily kos sucks
Yeah, I don't read that shit.
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/06/2015 10:29 PM, Juan wrote:
Well, everything should have been put in the public domain from day zero. But Snowden thought that would hurt the interests of the american nazi state. Or maybe he didn't want to be killed like a dog. Who knows.
I know. As many people who've attempted to change the Crypto-Fascist shithole called "America" have noted, the powers that be ARE TOO STRONG to take on... head on.
Snowden has set in motion The 'death of a thousand (intelligence) cuts' to weaken the surveillance state enough that the issue can be
at all in some way that MAY change it.
As far as whether Greenwald and co or Snowden's a capitalist, or a libertard, a demoncrat or rethuglican (the ONLY diff is who receives
approached the
booty from our imperial adventurism where brown people die) ...is absolutely irrelevant to the end result.
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i dont think he is just talking about afghanistan there but you are entitled to your opinion i think his mind was being changed after that about iraq thats what the 2 paragraphs say to me and it was a progression - he kind of came to on the iraq thing but then still backed the invasion anyway i have seen another quote someone sent me on twitter - as i use to fight with glenn on twitter about pierre and shit ... and laura ... i cant find it ... i will keep looking - these things were out in the press before this book was published fyi i fought a lot with laura over her unwavering support of wikileaks she has a huge blindspot there for sure - it was like talking a kid out of their lollipop or going back in time and talking people out of doing human sacrifices i never heard the israelis knew about the attack beforehand ?????????? i mean zionists.... saudia arabia is too important for the interests of capitalist fucks globally not just because they produce oil but because they have money and dont give a fuck about their people in terms of advanced politic > monarchy - the fascist capitalist built their infrastructure and maintain it - you think that is a few dollawolfs rrrr some change in the coach? read: confessions of an economic hitman and you can watch john talk about the shit here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:19 AM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/07/2015 06:55 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
here:
https://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/glenn-greenwald-supported-pr...
he actually uses the fucking word 'vengeance' ... fuck
Yes, he does. But he says that about invading _Afghanistan_, not Iraq. He says that he took W's word on Iraq. That does not reflect well on him, and I'm disappointed that he hasn't acknowledged his error. But so it goes.
It it were vengeance the US wanted, they should have invaded Saudi Arabia :) Free oil! They should also have cut off the fucking Israelis, who knew that the attack was immanent.
someone sent this to me on twitter long ago so this isnt anything new i am pointing out
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
mirimir i would have to dig up the quote where the fuck says that basically it is good us is invading to get back at the iraqi's for 9-11
umn the iraqi's had nothing to do with 9-11 and he swallowed that tripe... i am sorry but that is just stupid x 5 million
i dont care about his excuses my pet spider even knew it was crap
if you can give him a pass for being 'apathetic' which i wouldnt frame it like that then that says a lot about you - its not apathy to support a fucking invasion of a people - people that are apathetic are like i dont know not oh yay lets do it it is a totally different mindset
and that he is here in daily kos framing out this lie says more to me about his lack of character than anything and you of course didnt address that part - if the fuck was an actual person he could be like yay i sucked but now i know better i changed its so great we get to change our minds in our lifetimes and fucking grow but does gleenny do that no he cant face himself its pathetic he lives in his ego
ego doesnt want people saying they are wrong ever and its a death echo chamber
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/07/2015 11:50 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
dear mirimir you cannot read
'Nonetheless, because of the general faith I had in political and media institutions, I assumed - since both political parties and media outlets and journalists from across the ideological spectrum were united in support of the war - that there must be some valid basis to the claim that Saddam posed a threat. My basic trust in these institutions neutralized the objections I had and led me to passively acquiesce to what was being done ("I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.").'
did you read the motherfucking article?
Yes, I read the motherfucking article. He says that he was apathetic, and trusted institutions (and even that asshole W). Maybe he needs to do more mea culpas for that, or cut off his left pinkie. But unless you cite some public statement where he actively supported the invasion, rather than just deferred to arguably better-informed opinions, it's no big deal in the current context. In my opinion.
this should tell you how duplicitous he is just like the government says he didnt do anything - he didnt fuck that bitch - oh he fucked them hard though
I'd say rather that he let Uncle Dick finger fuck him, but just a little ;)
also daily kos sucks
Yeah, I don't read that shit.
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/06/2015 10:29 PM, Juan wrote: > Well, everything should have been put in the public domain > from day zero. But Snowden thought that would hurt > the interests of the american nazi state. Or maybe he didn't > want to be killed like a dog. Who knows.
I know. As many people who've attempted to change the Crypto-Fascist shithole called "America" have noted, the powers that be ARE TOO
to take on... head on.
Snowden has set in motion The 'death of a thousand (intelligence) cuts' to weaken the surveillance state enough that the issue can be approached at all in some way that MAY change it.
As far as whether Greenwald and co or Snowden's a capitalist, or a libertard, a demoncrat or rethuglican (the ONLY diff is who receives
STRONG the
booty from our imperial adventurism where brown people die) ...is absolutely irrelevant to the end result.
-- Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 carimachet@gmail.com AIM carismachet Syria +963-099 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Berlin +49 152 11779219 Reykjavik +354 894 8650 Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet>
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On 04/07/2015 07:42 PM, Cari Machet wrote: <SNIP>
i never heard the israelis knew about the attack beforehand ?????????? i mean zionists....
See http://www.salon.com/2002/05/07/students/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks_advance-knowledge_conspira... I suspect that the NSA was in on it too. Crazy shit. <SNIP>
On 04/07/2015 06:44 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
mirimir i would have to dig up the quote where the fuck says that basically it is good us is invading to get back at the iraqi's for 9-11
Please do. I don't believe that he could ever have said that. It's inconceivable. I can imagine that he might have opined that the Hussein regime had to go. But I don't believe that he was ever dumb enough to go for the 9-11 bullshit.
umn the iraqi's had nothing to do with 9-11 and he swallowed that tripe... i am sorry but that is just stupid x 5 million
They obviously didn't. But you need a cite for your claim about him.
i dont care about his excuses my pet spider even knew it was crap
I blame it on the Saudi Caliphate backers. They fucking nailed it :(
if you can give him a pass for being 'apathetic' which i wouldnt frame it like that then that says a lot about you - its not apathy to support a fucking invasion of a people - people that are apathetic are like i dont know not oh yay lets do it it is a totally different mindset
I'm a very practical guy :)
and that he is here in daily kos framing out this lie says more to me about his lack of character than anything and you of course didnt address that part - if the fuck was an actual person he could be like yay i sucked but now i know better i changed its so great we get to change our minds in our lifetimes and fucking grow but does gleenny do that no he cant face himself its pathetic he lives in his ego
You have a point ;)
ego doesnt want people saying they are wrong ever and its a death echo chamber
I agree.
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/07/2015 11:50 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
dear mirimir you cannot read
'Nonetheless, because of the general faith I had in political and media institutions, I assumed - since both political parties and media outlets and journalists from across the ideological spectrum were united in support of the war - that there must be some valid basis to the claim that Saddam posed a threat. My basic trust in these institutions neutralized the objections I had and led me to passively acquiesce to what was being done ("I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.").'
did you read the motherfucking article?
Yes, I read the motherfucking article. He says that he was apathetic, and trusted institutions (and even that asshole W). Maybe he needs to do more mea culpas for that, or cut off his left pinkie. But unless you cite some public statement where he actively supported the invasion, rather than just deferred to arguably better-informed opinions, it's no big deal in the current context. In my opinion.
this should tell you how duplicitous he is just like the government says he didnt do anything - he didnt fuck that bitch - oh he fucked them hard though
I'd say rather that he let Uncle Dick finger fuck him, but just a little ;)
also daily kos sucks
Yeah, I don't read that shit.
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/06/2015 10:29 PM, Juan wrote:
Well, everything should have been put in the public domain from day zero. But Snowden thought that would hurt the interests of the american nazi state. Or maybe he didn't want to be killed like a dog. Who knows.
I know. As many people who've attempted to change the Crypto-Fascist shithole called "America" have noted, the powers that be ARE TOO STRONG to take on... head on.
Snowden has set in motion The 'death of a thousand (intelligence) cuts' to weaken the surveillance state enough that the issue can be approached at all in some way that MAY change it.
As far as whether Greenwald and co or Snowden's a capitalist, or a libertard, a demoncrat or rethuglican (the ONLY diff is who receives the booty from our imperial adventurism where brown people die) ...is absolutely irrelevant to the end result.
On 4/8/15, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
dear mirimir you cannot read
'Nonetheless, because of the general faith I had in political and ...
"had" looks like past tense to me. Perhaps we're getting too caught up in personal ideologies and missing the 'most people here want something better' woods for the 'this person said something I disagree with' tree... just a thought. Now perhaps I'm missing context - apologies if that's the case; anyway, folks around here can be passionate and it seems for intentions towards "something better" and although we see through personal lenses and therefore disagree here and there on means, methods and what 'better' could even be, I'd rather hang out here than on slashdog... To every individual who expresses their passion in a guided or even misguided way, I say thank you for speaking up, it's more than most humans can say for themselves. I carry a vague hope that in such forums as we be here now, we might occasionally lead ourselves to thoughts constructive for the future. Even one truly constructive thought in a few years is much better than none. Good luck fellow humans, Zenaan
On 04/06/2015 10:13 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
Westerners like shit that makes money
glenn greenwald backed the invasion of iraq because >>>>>> vengeance
You are so full of shit! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/30/1182442/-Glenn-Greenwald-Responds-t...
which means he aint that fucking bright
If he had, he wouldn't be, but he didn't. I think that he is.
glenn greenwald was a corporate lawyer
"I was previously a constitutional law and civil rights litigator and am now a journalist." http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/07/response-to-right-wing-personal.h... Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
anyway liberals are not that bright too
I agree :)
ALL snowden docs should go to EFF - should have gone there in the beginning for analysis snowden gave those docs to people unqualified to deal with them and they still are not qualified their capacity is far too low for them to ever be qualified the mere fact that they drip so slowly says so much
I'm also disappointed with their handling of the docs. But it was Snowden's call, so hey.
no-no laura greenwald and scahill arent making any money..>
. i think we
should start a collection up for them i am afraid they arent eating actual food
:)
On Apr 7, 2015 8:10 AM, "Juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 20:43:48 -0400 John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
my problem with laura as with jeremy is that they are too capitalistic and therein breech ethics
That's the crucial fault of the Snowden campaign, its corrupt core, ambition and greed triumphant. Snowden is paying the high price for others' profit. A nadir in contemporary journalism seemingly without bottom.
I watched the snowden/poitras documentary a few days ago and it wasn't that bad.
What I find somewhat puzzling is the fact that greenwald would cooperate with 'capitalists' like the ebay owner? Wasn't greenwald some kind of 'liberal'?
Also, is the snowden affair really being handled in a way to maximize profits? For whom?
It's not as if the snowden affair is some kind of hollywood nazi fairy tale. I don't think western imperialists like to be reminded what kind of garbage they are.
Meanwhile obsessive handwringing about petty story fabrication, as if to avoid the principal fabrication of 2013-2015, instead praising, awarding, investing, promoting, recycling, gaming, streaming, TEDing, Oscaring, glorifying, comedifying it.
On 04/06/2015 09:13 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
glenn greenwald was a corporate lawyer
He IS a constitutional lawyer who, by the nature of ANY lawyer's job, has worked for SOME corpo or another. Point not made fuck not given.
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