Re: Jake and Tor article
On 10/13/2016 10:06 AM, Mirimir opined:
It was just such a juvenile thing to say. And I don't even get what you're upset about. It's just a fucking email list.
There is no such thing as "just a fucking email list". There IS such a thing as 'waste of bandwidth'. But I guess that depends on your perspective. Rr.
On 10/13/2016 10:42 AM, Razer wrote:
On 10/13/2016 09:27 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 10/13/2016 08:42 AM, Razer wrote:
Cc: cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com
I'll tell ya what Cecilia. If you don't stop setting me, and the list, up for spam by using the spammer's handle and my handle FOR NO GOOD REASON in the same emails ... I'm gonna start subscribing you to every White Supremacist newsletter I can find. Then I'll start working on the Misogynist Sites. Then... Nambla. Maybe you like little boys eh?
That's a direct threat.
Maybe chill some, bro?
Should I have just done that without warning first?
$50 bucks a year outside the US... Cheap.
Rr
It was just such a juvenile thing to say. And I don't even get what you're upset about. It's just a fucking email list.
On 10/12/2016 10:48 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
On Oct 12, 2016 9:04 PM, "rooty" <arpspoof@protonmail.com <mailto:arpspoof@protonmail.com>> wrote:
aff.... what is a Subversive Unicorn? Btw rr is NOT geOrgII for sure!
aff....im not clicking the link
Razer's unicorn is polite and uses the toilet seat. A subversive unicorn doesn't care about it. You don't need to click the link to imagine it. :)
Yep, Rr (Razer) is _not_ Georgi. Did you discover it now? ;)
On 10/13/2016 11:18 AM, Razer wrote:
On 10/13/2016 10:06 AM, Mirimir opined:
It was just such a juvenile thing to say. And I don't even get what you're upset about. It's just a fucking email list.
There is no such thing as "just a fucking email list".
There IS such a thing as 'waste of bandwidth'.
But I guess that depends on your perspective.
Rr.
WTF? You sent that to me off-list, and then replied to the list. That's fucked up.
On 10/13/2016 10:42 AM, Razer wrote:
On 10/13/2016 09:27 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 10/13/2016 08:42 AM, Razer wrote:
Cc: cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com
I'll tell ya what Cecilia. If you don't stop setting me, and the list, up for spam by using the spammer's handle and my handle FOR NO GOOD REASON in the same emails ... I'm gonna start subscribing you to every White Supremacist newsletter I can find. Then I'll start working on the Misogynist Sites. Then... Nambla. Maybe you like little boys eh?
That's a direct threat.
Maybe chill some, bro?
Should I have just done that without warning first?
$50 bucks a year outside the US... Cheap.
Rr
It was just such a juvenile thing to say. And I don't even get what you're upset about. It's just a fucking email list.
On 10/12/2016 10:48 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
On Oct 12, 2016 9:04 PM, "rooty" <arpspoof@protonmail.com <mailto:arpspoof@protonmail.com>> wrote: > > aff.... what is a Subversive Unicorn? Btw rr is NOT geOrgII for sure! > > aff....im not clicking the link
Razer's unicorn is polite and uses the toilet seat. A subversive unicorn doesn't care about it. You don't need to click the link to imagine it. :)
Yep, Rr (Razer) is _not_ Georgi. Did you discover it now? ;)
On 10/13/2016 11:11 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 10/13/2016 11:18 AM, Razer wrote:
On 10/13/2016 10:06 AM, Mirimir opined:
It was just such a juvenile thing to say. And I don't even get what you're upset about. It's just a fucking email list.
There is no such thing as "just a fucking email list".
There IS such a thing as 'waste of bandwidth'.
But I guess that depends on your perspective.
Rr.
WTF? You sent that to me off-list, and then replied to the list.
That's fucked up.
Trolls on lists are fucked up. CYBERSECURITY. When someone starts trolling for my psychological soft spots under what I believe is a stolen identity, and invites a troll or bot (rooty) posting shit like
aff.... what is a Subversive Unicorn? Btw rr is NOT geOrgII for sure!
aff....im not clicking the link
and:
aff..........
To another trollbot, justa, and then "Cecilia", who despite suicide threats to me offlist still seems very much alive, 'tags' me for the bot's searching pleasure I figure the I am, if not the list, being attacked, and I think it deserves to be put out in the public. Or maybe you LIKE receiving utter garbagemail and spam? Rr
On 10/13/2016 10:42 AM, Razer wrote:
On 10/13/2016 09:27 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 10/13/2016 08:42 AM, Razer wrote:
Cc: cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com
I'll tell ya what Cecilia. If you don't stop setting me, and the list, up for spam by using the spammer's handle and my handle FOR NO GOOD REASON in the same emails ... I'm gonna start subscribing you to every White Supremacist newsletter I can find. Then I'll start working on the Misogynist Sites. Then... Nambla. Maybe you like little boys eh?
That's a direct threat.
Maybe chill some, bro?
Should I have just done that without warning first?
$50 bucks a year outside the US... Cheap.
Rr
It was just such a juvenile thing to say. And I don't even get what you're upset about. It's just a fucking email list.
On 10/12/2016 10:48 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: > On Oct 12, 2016 9:04 PM, "rooty" <arpspoof@protonmail.com > <mailto:arpspoof@protonmail.com>> wrote: >> >> aff.... what is a Subversive Unicorn? Btw rr is NOT geOrgII for sure! >> >> aff....im not clicking the link > > Razer's unicorn is polite and uses the toilet seat. A subversive > unicorn doesn't care about it. You don't need to click the link to > imagine it. :) > > Yep, Rr (Razer) is _not_ Georgi. Did you discover it now? ;) >
CYBERSECURITY. When someone starts trolling for my psychological soft spots under what I believe is a stolen identity, and invites a troll or bot (rooty) posting shit like
Trolling for psychological soft spots? On a list? I don't know, but I don't think that would be very effective. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the recon is done that way. Seems much more effective to leech facebook and gmail for that sort of stuff. If you, or others on the list are having serious suspicions to this effect.. Look for that sort of thing in your personal life. Text/online comms are wholly prone to miscommunication / misinterpretation. Look at real life. People at your job, and acquaintances with no loyalty to you would be the first round of recruits. Especially look for acquaintances that suddenly drop contact with you. They are folks that decided not to get involved and are choosing to stay away. Misinformation is then spread to test/break the loyalty of those closer to you. Maybe they need a bit of pressure too, etc. Not a fun scene if you experience it, until you get your bearings. Then it can be immensely fun. Treat it as a game. Most importantly? Fake the soft spots. Lies are your weapon, and being able to not flinch your main shield. When you find someone gauging you, testing this or that wrongly, fake discomfort, and try to keep a level of calm and be stone-faced or non-chalant with anything else. Basic misinformation on your part. Then you can shake THEM up easily down the road by just shrugging off what they think should cause discomfort, and subtly calling them out. Feed their lies, basically. If they get something wrong, and you feed them that it is right, it is very confusing for them and it helps act as a type of "marker" for you to spot them in the future. Be off-puttingly friendly. Occasionally switch gears rapidly, with a subtle/vague threat/insult. Fucks up the whole game plan on their part. They build up a model trying to predict your reactions and behaviors. Blow the expectations, and try to be more or less erratic. That will draw them out if you're under any type of real surveillance. Just a loose set of guidelines. YMMV, depending on who you're running into.
Please, guys, let's kill this thread forever. Sorry, this discussion is _not_ healthy. It was harmful to some persons, in special for me. I do love 'He-who-must-not-be-named-but-is-not-Lord-Voldermort' and it's everything ok now. No panic, no towels needed. Much love, good night kisses and sweet dreams wishes for all of you... <3 "Brahms Lullaby" http://youtu.be/gsFQcQKWgTQ Lullaby, and good night, in the skies stars are bright. May the moon's silvery beams bring you sweet dreams. Close your eyes now and rest, may these hours be blessed. 'Til the sky's bright with dawn, when you wake with a yawn. Lullaby, and good night, you are mother's delight. I'll protect you from harm, and you'll wake in my arms. Sleepyhead, close your eyes, for I'm right beside you. Guardian angels are near, so sleep without fear. Lullaby, and good night, with roses bedight. Lilies o'er head, lay thee down in thy bed. Lullaby, and good night, you are mother's delight. I'll protect you from harm, and you'll wake in my arms. Lullaby, and sleep tight, my darling sleeping. On sheets white as cream, with a head full of dreams. Sleepyhead, close your eyes, I'm right beside you. Lay thee down now and rest, may your slumber be blessed. Go to sleep, little one, think of puppies and kittens. Go to sleep, little one, think of butterflies in spring. Go to sleep, little one, think of sunny bright mornings. Hush, darling one, sleep through the night, Sleep through the night, Sleep through the night.
Sound like information suppression to me... Jacob Appelbaum is a 'public person' and subject to conversation, and he expects it. Don't like it? Don't read it. Rr On 10/13/2016 09:04 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
Please, guys, let's kill this thread forever. Sorry, this discussion is _not_ healthy. It was harmful to some persons, in special for me.
I do love 'He-who-must-not-be-named-but-is-not-Lord-Voldermort' and it's everything ok now. No panic, no towels needed.
Much love, good night kisses and sweet dreams wishes for all of you... <3
"Brahms Lullaby"
Lullaby, and good night, in the skies stars are bright. May the moon's silvery beams bring you sweet dreams. Close your eyes now and rest, may these hours be blessed. 'Til the sky's bright with dawn, when you wake with a yawn.
Lullaby, and good night, you are mother's delight. I'll protect you from harm, and you'll wake in my arms.
Sleepyhead, close your eyes, for I'm right beside you. Guardian angels are near, so sleep without fear. Lullaby, and good night, with roses bedight. Lilies o'er head, lay thee down in thy bed.
Lullaby, and good night, you are mother's delight. I'll protect you from harm, and you'll wake in my arms.
Lullaby, and sleep tight, my darling sleeping. On sheets white as cream, with a head full of dreams. Sleepyhead, close your eyes, I'm right beside you. Lay thee down now and rest, may your slumber be blessed.
Go to sleep, little one, think of puppies and kittens. Go to sleep, little one, think of butterflies in spring. Go to sleep, little one, think of sunny bright mornings. Hush, darling one, sleep through the night, Sleep through the night, Sleep through the night.
On Oct 14, 2016 10:28 AM, "Razer" <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
Sound like information suppression to me... Jacob Appelbaum is a 'public
person' and subject to conversation, and he expects it. Don't like it?
Don't read it.
Razer, I love Jake and he knows it very well. I was just trying to stop your creepy public threats, which were completely off topic and very bizarre. Please, if you want to talk about Jake, talk about him,not about me, Razer. Weirdo psycho, aff...
On 10/14/2016 09:57 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
On Oct 14, 2016 10:28 AM, "Razer" <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
Sound like information suppression to me... Jacob Appelbaum is a 'public
person' and subject to conversation, and he expects it. Don't like it?
Don't read it.
Razer, I love Jake and he knows it very well. I was just trying to stop your creepy public threats, which were completely off topic and very bizarre.
Please, if you want to talk about Jake, talk about him,not about me, Razer. Weirdo psycho, aff...
Yeah. As I said, it's just not honorable to disclose private communications. Or even privileged information obtained through private communications. I learned that as a drug dealer. As an activist. When I started using the Internet. As a sovereign individual. OK, you say, but what about leaking stuff? How is that not disclosing privileged information? For sure. But it's distinguishable. Leaking is honorable when the subject is powerful, and is using their power to injure the innocent. Posting private messages in public, without explicit permission, does not constitute leaking. It is dishonorable, and it demonstrates that the perpetrator cannot be trusted. Just sayin'.
On 10/14/2016 09:45 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 10/14/2016 09:57 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
On Oct 14, 2016 10:28 AM, "Razer" <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
Sound like information suppression to me... Jacob Appelbaum is a 'public
person' and subject to conversation, and he expects it. Don't like it?
Don't read it.
Razer, I love Jake and he knows it very well. I was just trying to stop your creepy public threats, which were completely off topic and very bizarre.
Please, if you want to talk about Jake, talk about him,not about me, Razer. Weirdo psycho, aff...
Yeah. As I said, it's just not honorable to disclose private communications. Or even privileged information obtained through private communications. I learned that as a drug dealer. As an activist. When I started using the Internet. As a sovereign individual.
This discussion happens on the street a LOT you know. There's people who talk about people for the sake of influence peddling and just talking smack. Then there are people who talk about people when the people they're discussing it with, typically friends, ARE IN DANGER OR POTENTIALLY THREATENED due to the person being discussed. Police Snitching and careless talk/influence peddling people get stitches. Sharing important intelligence with comrades does not seem to have that effect. You wouldn't tell one of your drug dealing comrades you suspected someone was a narc? If not, Why? More biz for you while the other dealer's sitting in jail perhaps? Rr
OK, you say, but what about leaking stuff? How is that not disclosing privileged information? For sure. But it's distinguishable. Leaking is honorable when the subject is powerful, and is using their power to injure the innocent.
PSychological trolling injures the innocent. Let's say, for giggles because it isn't the case, that I had just ended a relationship and was feeling depressed and not interested in someone else's advances, and I was receiving mail like that? Innocent and injured. Perhaps driven to suicide eh? Posting private messages in public, without
explicit permission, does not constitute leaking. It is dishonorable, and it demonstrates that the perpetrator cannot be trusted.
Just sayin'.
Someone sending unsolicited emails, especially when they're requested to desist is "dishonorable and it demonstrates that the perpetrator cannot be trusted." Rr Ps. You said you were a drug dealer. You never learned "Don't Trust ANYONE"? How DID you survive? Must have been a pretty middle class circle.
On 10/14/2016 11:11 AM, Razer wrote:
On 10/14/2016 09:45 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 10/14/2016 09:57 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
On Oct 14, 2016 10:28 AM, "Razer" <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
Sound like information suppression to me... Jacob Appelbaum is a 'public
person' and subject to conversation, and he expects it. Don't like it?
Don't read it.
Razer, I love Jake and he knows it very well. I was just trying to stop your creepy public threats, which were completely off topic and very bizarre.
Please, if you want to talk about Jake, talk about him,not about me, Razer. Weirdo psycho, aff...
Yeah. As I said, it's just not honorable to disclose private communications. Or even privileged information obtained through private communications. I learned that as a drug dealer. As an activist. When I started using the Internet. As a sovereign individual.
This discussion happens on the street a LOT you know.
There's people who talk about people for the sake of influence peddling and just talking smack.
Then there are people who talk about people when the people they're discussing it with, typically friends, ARE IN DANGER OR POTENTIALLY THREATENED due to the person being discussed.
Dude, this is just a fucking public mail list. Tone down the drama!
Police Snitching and careless talk/influence peddling people get stitches.
Sharing important intelligence with comrades does not seem to have that effect. You wouldn't tell one of your drug dealing comrades you suspected someone was a narc? If not, Why? More biz for you while the other dealer's sitting in jail perhaps?
I might share such information privately, if it seemed warranted. But I wouldn't do so via insecure channels. And for sure, I wouldn't discuss that stuff in public.
Rr
OK, you say, but what about leaking stuff? How is that not disclosing privileged information? For sure. But it's distinguishable. Leaking is honorable when the subject is powerful, and is using their power to injure the innocent.
PSychological trolling injures the innocent.
Let's say, for giggles because it isn't the case, that I had just ended a relationship and was feeling depressed and not interested in someone else's advances, and I was receiving mail like that?
Innocent and injured. Perhaps driven to suicide eh?
Posting private messages in public, without
explicit permission, does not constitute leaking. It is dishonorable, and it demonstrates that the perpetrator cannot be trusted.
Just sayin'.
Someone sending unsolicited emails, especially when they're requested to desist is "dishonorable and it demonstrates that the perpetrator cannot be trusted."
Rr
Ps. You said you were a drug dealer. You never learned "Don't Trust ANYONE"? How DID you survive? Must have been a pretty middle class circle.
Mirimir, my love, thank you very much for your kind intervention, but please just relax and forget all this discussion. Too much ado about nothing, dear. ;) I really don't care about this kind of childish menace. I don't respect coward people and I don't have patience with brats, too pampered kids. Razer thinks that his shit stinks less than mine, what is very usual in North-American ego trips. It isn't true. It's excrement the same way. Fifty bucks is "cheap" for him, a white, male, North-American. For a Brazilian woman is not a so low value and I prefer to donate my money to good institutions, that I really respect and trust. 'Nambla' is his choice, not mine. I always loved Razer very much, but the next time I try the suicide, I will climb his ego and jump, aff... It will certainly be more fatal than jump off the Golden Gate Bridge! (+-+)* Please, Razer, try to rest a bit, eat something and keep hydrated. Consider sex/masturbation, chocolate and probiotic yogurt. Your mood is really bad today, aff... :-/ Kisses and hugs, my dear. I love you very much *when you are not kicking me*. Instead donate cash to Nambla, kick them, not me. They are the bad guys, not me. Ceci On Oct 13, 2016 2:18 PM, "Razer" <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 10/13/2016 10:06 AM, Mirimir opined:
It was just such a juvenile thing to say. And I don't even get what you're upset about. It's just a fucking email list.
There is no such thing as "just a fucking email list".
There IS such a thing as 'waste of bandwidth'.
But I guess that depends on your perspective.
Rr.
On 10/13/2016 10:42 AM, Razer wrote:
On 10/13/2016 09:27 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 10/13/2016 08:42 AM, Razer wrote:
Cc: cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com
I'll tell ya what Cecilia. If you don't stop setting me, and the
up for spam by using the spammer's handle and my handle FOR NO GOOD REASON in the same emails ... I'm gonna start subscribing you to every White Supremacist newsletter I can find. Then I'll start working on
list, the
Misogynist Sites. Then... Nambla. Maybe you like little boys eh?
That's a direct threat.
Maybe chill some, bro?
Should I have just done that without warning first?
$50 bucks a year outside the US... Cheap.
Rr
It was just such a juvenile thing to say. And I don't even get what you're upset about. It's just a fucking email list.
On 10/13/2016 11:30 AM, "Cecilia Tanaka" wrote garbage having nothing to do with anything:
Mirimir, my love, thank you very much for your kind intervention, but please just relax and forget all this discussion. Too much ado about nothing, dear. ;)
I really don't care about this kind of childish menace. I don't respect coward people and I don't have patience with brats, too pampered kids.
thinks that his shit stinks less than mine, what is very usual in North-American ego trips. It isn't true. It's excrement the same way.
Fifty bucks is "cheap" for him, a white, male, North-American. For a Brazilian woman is not a so low value and I prefer to donate my money to good institutions, that I really respect and trust. 'Nambla' is his choice, not mine.
I always loved very much, but the next time I try the suicide, I will climb his ego and jump, aff... It will certainly be more fatal than jump off the Golden Gate Bridge! (+-+)*
Please, , try to rest a bit, eat something and keep hydrated. Consider sex/masturbation, chocolate and probiotic yogurt. Your mood is really bad today, aff... :-/
Kisses and hugs, my dear. I love you very much *when you are not kicking me*. Instead donate cash to Nambla, kick them, not me. They are the bad guys, not me.
Ceci
On Oct 13, 2016 2:18 PM, "Razer" <rayzer@riseup.net <mailto:rayzer@riseup.net>> wrote:
On 10/13/2016 10:06 AM, Mirimir opined:
It was just such a juvenile thing to say. And I don't even get what you're upset about. It's just a fucking email list.
There is no such thing as "just a fucking email list".
There IS such a thing as 'waste of bandwidth'.
But I guess that depends on your perspective.
Rr.
On 10/13/2016 10:42 AM, Razer wrote:
On 10/13/2016 09:27 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 10/13/2016 08:42 AM, Razer wrote:
Cc: cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com <mailto:cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com>
I'll tell ya what Cecilia. If you don't stop setting me, and the
list,
up for spam by using the spammer's handle and my handle FOR NO GOOD REASON in the same emails ... I'm gonna start subscribing you to every White Supremacist newsletter I can find. Then I'll start working on the Misogynist Sites. Then... Nambla. Maybe you like little boys eh?
That's a direct threat.
Maybe chill some, bro?
Should I have just done that without warning first?
$50 bucks a year outside the US... Cheap.
Rr
It was just such a juvenile thing to say. And I don't even get what you're upset about. It's just a fucking email list.
On Oct 13, 2016 3:50 PM, "Razer" <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 10/13/2016 11:30 AM, "Cecilia Tanaka" wrote garbage having nothing to
do with anything: Razer, Sorry, you need psychiatric treatment with urgence. You are hysteric, very disturbed and the list certainly is loving your little show, but I am hating it. Everybody here appreciates a lot neurotic and sick people, ego trips, offenses and stupid messages, but it is being too much. Stop it, please. You send a lot of garbage to the list, but are too presumptuous to admiss it. "Stolen identity", aff... Very smart. My friend was a Sherlock Holmes and I didn't know. Why don't you send your CV to NSA or CIA? They always need bright agents there. Any stupid noob can verify who I am, Razer. It isn't so hard. Do you need help with the searches?
"Cecilia", who despite suicide threats to me offlist still seems very much alive, <snip>
I seem very much alive because I am very much alive, my dear Razer. With a little pneumonia again, but my health never was my best quality and I will be completely ok in 10 days, I think. Don't worry, you are almost twice older than me, but I certainly will die before you. Months ago, I really loved and trusted you a lot and was just saying good bye before killing myself. I did it with some of my friends who live far away from here. Only three persons of this list received my desperate good bye messages. You were one of them and I choose very bad, because I respected you a lot. My really loved ones, my family and those friends for whom I would go to Hell millions of times, searching for a lost Eurydice who never will be there, would receive a letter and a music after my death. Talking with them would change everything and I had no courage to finish... well, you understood. If you really think I am a fake profile, ask to Brazilian Law Bar Association. Here the name is 'OAB - Ordem dos Advogados do Brasil'. You can ask about me to some activists here and in San Francisco. Deleted my Facebook account. Don't try to stalk me there like Zen already did, please. If you have 50 bucks to waste with Nambla or similar garbage institution, donate them to charity and give me this bundle as gift. I love craft arts and I will use these books with children, but not the Nambla's way, ugh! Halloween is always fun and I love Make Magazines and Books! Comfortable reading and maker dreams, aww... <3 https://www.humblebundle.com/books/cosplay-book-bundle?mcID=102:57fbf6d36c87661331227d2d:ot:57f00e9db42ee742d1da8f85:1&utm_source=Humble+Bundle+Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2016_10_12_Cosplay_Books_Bundle&linkID=57fe7a4b2004d48d748b456a&utm_content=cta_button Ok, you exposed me in public to humiliate me. Are you happy now, feeling better? Would you like I try the suicide again? Oh... Sorry, I am not breathing well in the moment and it will be very hard to climb your huge ego to jump off there, aff... :P I love you, but the same way I used to love my last kitten. He always pooped in my Tributary Law books. Only in the expensive ones, son of a bad cat! >:( Take care and be well, Razer. I never will write to you in private again and I will ignore all your messages on this list. You will be considered spam like Zen, Alex, rooty, justa and this kind of people. Please, ignore me too. I don't exist for you. I am a fake profile created years ago, just to annoy you in the future. Cecilia Tanaka
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