On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 05:55:14PM -0500, John Newman wrote:

On November 23, 2016 7:30:13 AM EST, "xorcist at sigaint.org" wrote:

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John Newman: pot is definitely more benign than ecstacy Take 500mg edible dose and say that shit

Take ld50 of water and tell me how safe it is. Dumb fuck =)

Although, .5g of pot taken in edible form is not enough to cause whatever I think you're trying to imply, so...

(BTW, what's the "ld" in "ld60"?) At least 14 people have died from drinking too much water while doing sport http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/drinking-much-water-... Water intoxication, also known as water poisoning or hyperhydration, is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside safe limits by overhydration. Under normal circumstances, accidentally consuming too much water is exceptionally rare. Nearly all deaths related to water intoxication in normal individuals have resulted either from water-drinking contests, in which individuals attempt to consume large amounts of water, or from long bouts of exercise during which excessive amounts of fluid were consumed.[1] In addition, water cure, a method of torture in which the victim is forced to consume excessive amounts of water, can cause water intoxication. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3260684/The-hiker-died-drinking-wa...

There is no Lethal Dose of Marijuana. Even in food. You'd vomit it all up before you ever ate enough. There IS a lethal dose however for hash, pot crack, 'shatter', oils, and other extracts people produce for profit using all sorts of good shit like butane and ether. So I guess the moral is "Abuse the sacrament and die". No one will miss you hipster, poser. You would have killed yourself some other stupid way anyway. Rr On 11/24/2016 05:45 PM, Me wrote:

LD50 = lethal dose for 50% of population

On November 24, 2016 5:02:58 PM CST, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 05:55:14PM -0500, John Newman wrote:

On November 23, 2016 7:30:13 AM EST, "xorcist at sigaint.org http://sigaint.org" wrote:

John Newman: pot is definitely more benign than ecstacy

Take 500mg edible dose and say that shit

Take ld50 of water and tell me how safe it is. Dumb fuck =) Although, .5g of pot taken in edible form is not enough to cause whatever I think you're trying to imply, so...

(BTW, what's the "ld" in "ld60"?)

At least 14 people have died from drinking too much water while doing sport http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/drinking-much-water-...

Water intoxication, also known as water poisoning or hyperhydration, is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside safe limits by overhydration. Under normal circumstances, accidentally consuming too much water is exceptionally rare. Nearly all deaths related to water intoxication in normal individuals have resulted either from water-drinking contests, in which individuals attempt to consume large amounts of water, or from long bouts of exercise during which excessive amounts of fluid were consumed.[1] In addition, water cure, a method of torture in which the victim is forced to consume excessive amounts of water, can cause water intoxication. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3260684/The-hiker-died-drinking-wa...

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John Newman wrote:

Heavy abuse of alcohol is just as destructive as heavy use of any other drug.

Alcohol is good, because it is legal. If it were bad it wouldn't be legal. Drugs on the other hand are destroying the future of our Christian children. 2 year old children are taking drugs because atheists pushers are giving free drugs in preschool.

On 11/25/2016 08:39 PM, juan wrote:

quick note on evil chemical compounds

methamphetamine is a semi synthetic derivative of ephedrine, ephedra having a long history in chinese culture

morphine is a fully natural green product manufactured by mother nature - semi synthetic heroin is a minor variation of morphine

lsd25 is a semi synthetic derivative of lysergic acid, in turn derived from natural occuring ergot alkaloids

many of shulgin's psychodelic amphetamines are variations on the mescaline theme.

Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by Nature Inc.

See a pattern here? All the stuff comes from green eco-friendly plants or small tweaks of 'natural' molecules.

Strychnine comes straight off the plant. And cannabis is a 'sacrament' - lol!

You forgot cocaine. So let's use it as an example. Peruvians chew the Coca leaves and it allows them to function well at high altitudes because it assists the transfer of oxygen from the blood to the brain and body tissue, like the Amino creatine also does, and it seems to have no bad effects on the consumers NOW, purify it from the Coca leaves and consume it regularly at sea level from, lets say your early/mid 20s when you get your first computer industry job. You'll be seeing a cardiologist about bad heart valves by the time you're 50 or 60. Guaranteed. But that may be due to all the mood meds you're taking b/c occasional incidents of psychosis. Listen stupid (that's you Juan) I've been around drug culture all my life. The difference between the relatively benign effect of organic substances on the human organism and the destructive effect of it's 'purified' ingredient is profound and easily noticeable to anyone, across the board, except perhaps the cooker and dealer who don't notice because they generally don't consume the crap they sell or live where it's considered a curse on the community it's destroying. Rr

On 11/25/2016 09:31 PM, juan wrote that variation in dosage of natural substance:

makes dosage unreliable.

It might be part of the reason you're not ending up with bad heart valves too, schmuck. Or maybe it's the manitol so commonly used to cut it and 'make dosage unreliable' to boot is what destroys one's heart valves. Or maybe baby laxative isn't so popular anymore and coke stupes walk around constipated like a junkie... Like they have dick up their ass. Rr Ps. "TOO MUCH of the stuff" Did I mention the derivatives are MUCH easier to get addicted to? When you're an addict "TOO MUCH of the stuff" doesn't exist in your reality. You're 'talking yourself into a hole'.

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:07:39 -0800 Razer wrote:

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On 11/25/2016 08:39 PM, juan wrote:

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quick note on evil chemical compounds

methamphetamine is a semi synthetic derivative of ephedrine, ephedra having a long history in chinese culture

morphine is a fully natural green product manufactured by mother nature - semi synthetic heroin is a minor variation of morphine

lsd25 is a semi synthetic derivative of lysergic acid, in turn derived from natural occuring ergot alkaloids

many of shulgin's psychodelic amphetamines are variations on the mescaline theme.

Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by Nature Inc.

See a pattern here? All the stuff comes from green eco-friendly plants or small tweaks of 'natural' molecules.

Strychnine comes straight off the plant. And cannabis is a 'sacrament' - lol!

You forgot cocaine.

Did I?

"Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by Nature Inc."

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So let's use it as an example. Peruvians chew the Coca leaves and it allows them to function well at high altitudes because it assists the transfer of oxygen from the blood to the brain and body tissue, like the Amino creatine also does, and it seems to have no bad effects on the consumers

NOW, purify it from the Coca leaves

Yep, that seems to be another important thing you do not know. The amount of active compounds in plants varies a lot and that makes dosage unreliable. So it makes sense to extract and instead use the pure compounds.

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and consume it regularly at sea level from, lets say your early/mid 20s when you get your first computer industry job. You'll be seeing a cardiologist about bad heart valves by the time you're 50 or 60. Guaranteed. Yep. And the problem is, obviously, taking TOO MUCH of the stuff, not that it was extracted.

"Alle Dinge sind Gift und nichts ist ohne Gift, allein die Dosis macht es, dass ein Ding kein Gift ist."

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But that may be due to all the mood meds you're taking b/c occasional incidents of psychosis.

Listen stupid (that's you Juan) I've been around drug culture all my life.

Still you don't seem to know the abc of pharmacology...Which is nothing but common sense of course.

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The difference between the relatively benign effect of organic substances on the human organism and the destructive effect of it's 'purified' ingredient is profound and easily noticeable to anyone, They are the SAME substance. There's no 'organic' or 'inorganic' cocaine. The alkaloid inside the plant is no different from the isolated 'pure' form.

But hey, go eat some green organic 'unpurified' plant material containing a nice dose of strychnine and come back. Will you? =P

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across the board, except perhaps the cooker and dealer who don't notice because they generally don't consume the crap they sell or live where it's considered a curse on the community it's destroying.

Rr

On 11/25/2016 10:45 PM, John Newman wrote:

Drugs prohibition is fucking heinous. I don't think it matters what the substance is. Locking an addict up does not cure them =)

It's all a bad fucking joke - a "war" to perpetuate a vested interest in keeping prison populations high (and profitable), to systematically fuck a certain cross section of society (blacks, the poor), and to keep people on all sides of the issue scared.

John

The option taken... If you EVER get out on the streets where the drugs are sold and used, is to decriminalize, not medical-ize, and THEN give them gubmint checks in the hopes the drug user kills themself off in some motel room saving taxpayers money. That IS the libertarian solution to the problem. Another reason why refer to Libertarians are self-centric fascist scum in every convo I have about them Rr

On Nov 26, 2016, at 12:40 AM, Razer mailto:rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:

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On 11/25/2016 09:31 PM, juan wrote that variation in dosage of natural substance:

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makes dosage unreliable.

It might be part of the reason you're not ending up with bad heart valves too, schmuck.

Or maybe it's the manitol so commonly used to cut it and 'make dosage unreliable' to boot is what destroys one's heart valves. Or maybe baby laxative isn't so popular anymore and coke stupes walk around constipated like a junkie... Like they have dick up their ass.

Rr

Ps. "TOO MUCH of the stuff"

Did I mention the derivatives are MUCH easier to get addicted to? When you're an addict "TOO MUCH of the stuff" doesn't exist in your reality.

You're 'talking yourself into a hole'.

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On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:07:39 -0800 Razer wrote:

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On 11/25/2016 08:39 PM, juan wrote:

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quick note on evil chemical compounds

methamphetamine is a semi synthetic derivative of ephedrine, ephedra having a long history in chinese culture

morphine is a fully natural green product manufactured by mother nature - semi synthetic heroin is a minor variation of morphine

lsd25 is a semi synthetic derivative of lysergic acid, in turn derived from natural occuring ergot alkaloids

many of shulgin's psychodelic amphetamines are variations on the mescaline theme.

Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by Nature Inc.

See a pattern here? All the stuff comes from green eco-friendly plants or small tweaks of 'natural' molecules.

Strychnine comes straight off the plant. And cannabis is a 'sacrament' - lol!

You forgot cocaine.

Did I?

"Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by Nature Inc."

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So let's use it as an example. Peruvians chew the Coca leaves and it allows them to function well at high altitudes because it assists the transfer of oxygen from the blood to the brain and body tissue, like the Amino creatine also does, and it seems to have no bad effects on the consumers

NOW, purify it from the Coca leaves Yep, that seems to be another important thing you do not know. The amount of active compounds in plants varies a lot and that makes dosage unreliable. So it makes sense to extract and instead use the pure compounds.

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and consume it regularly at sea level from, lets say your early/mid 20s when you get your first computer industry job. You'll be seeing a cardiologist about bad heart valves by the time you're 50 or 60. Guaranteed. Yep. And the problem is, obviously, taking TOO MUCH of the stuff, not that it was extracted.

"Alle Dinge sind Gift und nichts ist ohne Gift, allein die Dosis macht es, dass ein Ding kein Gift ist."

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But that may be due to all the mood meds you're taking b/c occasional incidents of psychosis.

Listen stupid (that's you Juan) I've been around drug culture all my life.

Still you don't seem to know the abc of pharmacology...Which is nothing but common sense of course.

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The difference between the relatively benign effect of organic substances on the human organism and the destructive effect of it's 'purified' ingredient is profound and easily noticeable to anyone, They are the SAME substance. There's no 'organic' or 'inorganic' cocaine. The alkaloid inside the plant is no different from the isolated 'pure' form.

But hey, go eat some green organic 'unpurified' plant material containing a nice dose of strychnine and come back. Will you? =P

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across the board, except perhaps the cooker and dealer who don't notice because they generally don't consume the crap they sell or live where it's considered a curse on the community it's destroying.

Rr

Nice of you to evade the point cunt. The point is, fucktard, Libertarians would decriminalize shit like Herowhine and crackcaine but sure the fuck wouldn't pay for treatment to keep the druggie from dying in the streets or the regulation to keep it pure enough they aren't simply poisoned by whatever mystery mix your scumbucket cooker friends whip up. Malthusian ... Feudal ... stain on Humanity... Libertarianism. Ps. About "Communism" I suppose you think indigenous cultures are communist because they share and take responsibility for their fellow man. If that's the case, yeah, and my mommy was a commie too, fucktard. Are you drunk stupid when you write that shit or do your meds need adjusting? Rr On 11/27/2016 12:52 PM, juan wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 07:05:43 -0800 Razer wrote:

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On 11/25/2016 10:45 PM, John Newman wrote:

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Drugs prohibition is fucking heinous. I don't think it matters what the substance is. Locking an addict up does not cure them =)

It's all a bad fucking joke - a "war" to perpetuate a vested interest in keeping prison populations high (and profitable), to systematically fuck a certain cross section of society (blacks, the poor), and to keep people on all sides of the issue scared.

John

The option taken... If you EVER get out on the streets where the drugs are sold and used, is to decriminalize, not medical-ize, and THEN give them gubmint checks in the hopes the drug user kills themself off in some motel room saving taxpayers money.

That IS the libertarian solution to the problem.

Hard to tell if that's meant as (self) parody or what. Of course "to decriminalize, not medical-ize" IS the libertarian solution. The part about government checks is typical nonsense though.

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Another reason why refer to Libertarians are self-centric fascist scum in every convo I have about them

Although most self-described libertarians tend to suck - because they actually don't get libertarian principles - commies are hardly in any position to criticize them, communism being the ultimate totalitarian ideology. Not to mention, fascists and commies, left and right, are close cousins.

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Rr

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On Nov 26, 2016, at 12:40 AM, Razer mailto:rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:

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On 11/25/2016 09:31 PM, juan wrote that variation in dosage of natural substance:

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makes dosage unreliable.

On 11/27/2016 06:42 PM, juan wrote:

Druggies dying in the streets? That's the kind of bullshit that propagandists dream up. . ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Detached from reality. Rr