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Cecilia Tanaka

4 Aug 2016 4 Aug '16

7 a.m.

On Jul 29, 2016 10:36 PM, "juan" wrote:

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Are you talking about equality before the law? (which logically

entails anarchism btw) Juan dear, Instead arguing with you about vocabulary, real meaning of some words or not, limits of some concepts, gender equality, men and women, storks and babies, I decided asking for help and avoid a possible gaffe or being unfair with you. :P I was thinking about asking you some suggestions of good anarchist readings, because I made some searches and - wow! - the bibliography is really huge. I need some help to separate the wheat from the shaft, please. Or a guide "Advanced Anarchism for Dummies". I know only the baby steps, sorry. :( I asked Steve some suggestions in private, but it's better to ask publicly, so more people can profit the clues. Oh, you know, he loves books, uses cute emoticons and makes oink oink. He's a good reference for me, hahaha!! ;) Tender kisses for all of you! <3 Ceci

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Cari Machet

4 Aug 4 Aug

10:33 a.m.

anything by bakunin but also read about his life he opposed socialism because of its statism > authoritarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bakunin https://libcom.org/files/Bakunin%20on%20Anarchy%20(1971).pdf the internet archive has a section on him https://archive.org/index.php he wrote some but worked on the front lines as well so had a high education On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

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On Jul 29, 2016 10:36 PM, "juan" wrote:

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Are you talking about equality before the law? (which logically

entails anarchism btw)

Juan dear,

Instead arguing with you about vocabulary, real meaning of some words or not, limits of some concepts, gender equality, men and women, storks and babies, I decided asking for help and avoid a possible gaffe or being unfair with you. :P

I was thinking about asking you some suggestions of good anarchist readings, because I made some searches and - wow! - the bibliography is really huge. I need some help to separate the wheat from the shaft, please. Or a guide "Advanced Anarchism for Dummies". I know only the baby steps, sorry. :(

I asked Steve some suggestions in private, but it's better to ask publicly, so more people can profit the clues. Oh, you know, he loves books, uses cute emoticons and makes oink oink. He's a good reference for me, hahaha!! ;)

Tender kisses for all of you! <3

Ceci

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Bastiani Fortress

11:54 a.m.

Cecilia Tanaka

7:29 p.m.

Hi Cari! Hi Bastiani! :D Thank you very much for the kind suggestions! <3 I was writing an answer to Juan, talking about 'sexism' and feminism, but decided to search about the relations about anarchism, feminism and also sexism. I've found several references and different concepts, some of them a bit confuse and contraditory. So, it would be unfair to say Juan was wrong. Some writers think he's right, but some anarcha-feminists say the 'sexism' really exists and use this exact word in their texts. :P After some reading, I thought it would be more logical to understand the anarchism decently, before analyzing its relations with feminism and, maybe, with 'sexism'. Mental masturbation takes additional time, but is always fun, hihi! :) I've found different definitions of 'sexism' on internet and, being sincere, I thought some of them are so 'sexist' as the prejudice that they want to avoid. There are some good, reasonable definitions, but most of them were very frustrating. Meh! Better to study a bit more and have my own personal beliefs. :P Lots of thankful little kisses, muuaaah!!! :* (Hum, it sounds tender and affectionate in Portuguese, but ridiculously cheesy and lovey-dovey in English, hahaha!! <3)

Steve Kinney

7:56 p.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/04/2016 03:00 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

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I asked Steve some suggestions in private, but it's better to ask publicly, so more people can profit the clues. Oh, you know, he loves books, uses cute emoticons and makes oink oink. He's a good reference for me, hahaha!! ;)

When dredging the Internet for information, I am sure you won't have much trouble picking out the State sponsored anarchist literature and pseudo-radical propaganda fronts: Rebel As You Are Told is one of the oldest and most powerful political warfare strategies in the opposition's playbook. Anarchists don't worry much about labeling sources and concepts as, for instance, Left or Right. The relevant question is, Useful or Not? In addition to State directed wannabe anarchists who rebel as they are told, we also have a bumper crop of people who believe that adding the prefix an- or anarcho- to the name of any archaic, failed or outright delusional "political philosophy" makes it hip and relevant. A lot of anarchist literature does not appear to be political. Anarchists also make a point of reading and exploiting the opposition's textbooks; there are such things as laws of physics, natural processes, principles of strategy, etc. that hold constant no matter who studies them. "It's a piss poor pitiful Anarchist, who refuses to use the State's resources against the State's interests." Just now I am reading this: http://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/FDTD.pdf It's an in depth survey of political warfare theory and practice in the context of politically motivated popular uprisings. There's not a bit of Anarchy in it, except that everything in it is of potential use to anarchists. While reading just substitute self rule or autonomy for "Democracy," and anarchist or radical for "democrat," and viola: Radical literature fit to be suppressed by any self respecting sovereign State. (The U.S. Federal government tolerates and even funds this kind of literature, because it is intended for distribution in "unfriendly regimes" overseas.) All of these titles are relevant to practical anarchy: http://pilobilus.net/strategic_conflict_docs_intro.html The Tao Te Ching can rightly be called an anarchist classic. I quote it more often than any other source, both in correspondence and to myself. I like the D.C. Lau translation: http://terebess.hu/english/tao/lau.html Marshall Rosenberg's Nonviolent Communication is very popular with the anarchist crowd. Handle with care, this is highly refined weapons grade pacifist material: https://tinyurl.com/rosenberg-nvc (PDF, 241 pages) Here's a fun movie: It's a biography of Emma Goldman, one of the most famous Anarchists of the 20th century. She was a Russian Jew who moved to America as soon as she was old enough and raised hell non-stop from then on. At the height of her career she was the most popular political speaker in the U.S. of A. https://archive.org/details/EmmaGoldman-AnExceedinglyDangerousWoman :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXo53kAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqaS0H/iEXppzx2Yf9I10b7P6OQqFS unRhQXCg831LQoxsmE4AwiibD2GDy28xCyoBn2glTaQHF53eiiyW69VNDJiD5lP1 gcnHebVDupyF7oUviZ+PAqjviZNEK4EsiNrRZBvFVVGXhIYL0+I/d8B591vgjUQi WbzMUKxytToNboiO3Ct36tlulETcGggLEKWuieMeqUZ3CzMLMZxIjsNcNJHfDHge 4IpfWKmVoNZ7XhSrWSo5uE7I7jj+98jwFsGK+cLOtkj3QxzpygFG/3rUfL9A3+sc curbZOyp12zBabYOglOLAHw1ngZIcf2nS8HioiKk4hAeobMuq1X8yFI2ae2bv48= =9NLI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Cecilia Tanaka

8:59 p.m.

Thank you a lot, my dear Steve. Muuaah! :* Really loved your bibliographic references and your cute private message about anarchism. Thanks a lot for increasing my vocabulary with new graceful and interesting expressions too. I frequently need a dictionary when reading your messages and Mirimir's, so it's very fun, haha!! ;D I was in doubt about sharing your suggestions publicly and would ask about it later, so I am very thankful for this message. Very sweet of you, dear! <3 Tender kisses and tickles! :* Ceci (+_+) zzzleepy zombie mode on, sorry! zzz...

jim bell

9:37 p.m.

From: Steve Kinney On 08/04/2016 03:00 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

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I asked Steve some suggestions in private, but it's better to ask publicly, so more people can profit the clues. Oh, you know, he loves books, uses cute emoticons and makes oink oink. He's a good reference for me, hahaha!! ;)

...

When dredging the Internet for information, I am sure you won't have much trouble picking out the State sponsored anarchist literature and pseudo-radical propaganda fronts:

I hope people will forgive me for tooting my own horn. I was a minarchist Libertarian in 1994,not an anarchist Libertarian. But it wasn't because I somehow wanted to keep around someminimal government. Rather, it was because I couldn't figure out a logically-consistent method'to entirely get rid of those last vestiges of government. Lacking such an plausible method,I chose the intellectually-honest route of accepting (at the time) that some residual governmentwould be necessary. While not specifically aware of David Friedman's (son of famous economist Milton Friedman)"Hard Problem" http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/04/will_david_frie.html , from his book, "The Machinery of Freedom" (1973; revised in 1989; again 2014), I was effectivelyaware of the same barrier, and like Friedman, I could not see any solution. Anarchy, I concluded, was impractical, and unachievable. It's a good thing that I wasn't aware of Friedman's "Hard Problem", or the idea it was "hard".In January 1995 I because to contemplate the idea that turned into my "AssassinationPolitics" essay. https://cryptome.org/ap.htm I wasn't intending to solve that problem: Rather, I was trying to figure out howan otherwise-powerless public could defend itself from bad acts, mostly from governmentemployees. I realized that to combine the contributions of anonymous individuals, allowsthat public can deter and prevent those bad acts. I further realized that this system wouldbe extremely economical, allowing (for instance) the region known as "America" to defenditself, not merely from external threats, but also internal crime, probably for a total cost of under $1 billion per year, far less than the $600 billion in defense spending currently done. A simplistic, initial analysis (which I initially assumed, even before I wrote the first part of theAP essay) was that AP would simply fix government. But the ultimate "fix" was actually farmore powerful than I'd initially realized, not merely fixing governments, but destroying allgovernments, and thus protecting an anarchist or minarchist region from threatening neighbors. Put simply, I solved David Friedman's "Hard Problem". I haven't yet seen the 2014 revisionof his book, Machinery of Freedom, to see if he has acknowledged this yet. I think it wouldbe extraordinarily strange if he doesn't do so: After all, ostensibly we are on the same sideof this matter. He advocates a zero-government solution: Why wouldn't he cite a proofthat a zero-government solution is actually possible, contrary to his apparent previousopinion? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machinery_of_Freedom But in effect, I think I was quite correct, pre-1995, for me to believe that anarchy was impractical. I don't know how people who labelled themselves as 'anarchists' resolvedthe apparent contradiction. Were they aware that anarchy wasn't stable? (At least notabsent my 1995 invention, AP). Most likely I think they were simply unaware that anarchywasn't going to be stable. Or, perhaps they assumed that then-future events would somehowsolve the problem. As, ultimately, they did, but it didn't have to be that way. I, virtually byaccident, solved that problem. But things could have been very different. Jim Bell

No

5 Aug 5 Aug

12:37 a.m.

Stirner has opened my eyes on quite a few levels, you could categorize his book under individualistic anarchism (though categories seem irrelevant). https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-the-ego-and-his-own This text has helped me and some others, trying to not drift off in endless cynicism and nihilism: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-lamborn-wilson-the-new-nihilis... On 08/04/2016 11:37 PM, jim bell wrote:

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*From:* Steve Kinney

On 08/04/2016 03:00 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

...
...
I asked Steve some suggestions in private, but it's better to ask publicly, so more people can profit the clues. Oh, you know, he loves books, uses cute emoticons and makes oink oink. He's a good reference for me, hahaha!! ;)

...
When dredging the Internet for information, I am sure you won't have much trouble picking out the State sponsored anarchist literature and pseudo-radical propaganda fronts:

I hope people will forgive me for tooting my own horn. I was a minarchist Libertarian in 1994, not an anarchist Libertarian. But it wasn't because I somehow wanted to keep around some minimal government. Rather, it was because I couldn't figure out a logically-consistent method' to entirely get rid of those last vestiges of government. Lacking such an plausible method, I chose the intellectually-honest route of accepting (at the time) that some residual government would be necessary.

While not specifically aware of David Friedman's (son of famous economist Milton Friedman) "Hard Problem" http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/04/will_david_frie.html , from his book, "The Machinery of Freedom" (1973; revised in 1989; again 2014), I was effectively aware of the same barrier, and like Friedman, I could not see any solution. Anarchy, I concluded, was impractical, and unachievable.

It's a good thing that I wasn't aware of Friedman's "Hard Problem", or the idea it was "hard". In January 1995 I because to contemplate the idea that turned into my "Assassination Politics" essay. https://cryptome.org/ap.htm

I wasn't intending to solve that problem: Rather, I was trying to figure out how an otherwise-powerless public could defend itself from bad acts, mostly from government employees. I realized that to combine the contributions of anonymous individuals, allows that public can deter and prevent those bad acts. I further realized that this system would be extremely economical, allowing (for instance) the region known as "America" to defend itself, not merely from external threats, but also internal crime, probably for a total cost of under $1 billion per year, far less than the $600 billion in defense spending currently done.

A simplistic, initial analysis (which I initially assumed, even before I wrote the first part of the AP essay) was that AP would simply fix government. But the ultimate "fix" was actually far more powerful than I'd initially realized, not merely fixing governments, but destroying all governments, and thus protecting an anarchist or minarchist region from threatening neighbors.

Put simply, I solved David Friedman's "Hard Problem". I haven't yet seen the 2014 revision of his book, Machinery of Freedom, to see if he has acknowledged this yet. I think it would be extraordinarily strange if he doesn't do so: After all, ostensibly we are on the same side of this matter. He advocates a zero-government solution: Why wouldn't he cite a proof that a zero-government solution is actually possible, contrary to his apparent previous opinion?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machinery_of_Freedom

But in effect, I think I was quite correct, pre-1995, for me to believe that anarchy was impractical. I don't know how people who labelled themselves as 'anarchists' resolved the apparent contradiction. Were they aware that anarchy wasn't stable? (At least not absent my 1995 invention, AP). Most likely I think they were simply unaware that anarchy wasn't going to be stable. Or, perhaps they assumed that then-future events would somehow solve the problem. As, ultimately, they did, but it didn't have to be that way. I, virtually by accident, solved that problem. But things could have been very different.

Jim Bell

Cari Machet

8:08 p.m.

translating anarchy http://www.pucsp.br/ecopolitica/documentos/penalizacao_a_ceu_aberto/docs/liv... On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 3:37 AM, No wrote:

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Stirner has opened my eyes on quite a few levels, you could categorize his book under individualistic anarchism (though categories seem irrelevant).

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-the-ego-and-his-own This text has helped me and some others, trying to not drift off in endless cynicism and nihilism:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-lamborn- wilson-the-new-nihilism

On 08/04/2016 11:37 PM, jim bell wrote:

*From:* Steve Kinney

On 08/04/2016 03:00 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

...
...
I asked Steve some suggestions in private, but it's better to ask publicly, so more people can profit the clues. Oh, you know, he loves books, uses cute emoticons and makes oink oink. He's a good reference for me, hahaha!! ;)

...
When dredging the Internet for information, I am sure you won't have much trouble picking out the State sponsored anarchist literature and pseudo-radical propaganda fronts:

I hope people will forgive me for tooting my own horn. I was a minarchist Libertarian in 1994, not an anarchist Libertarian. But it wasn't because I somehow wanted to keep around some minimal government. Rather, it was because I couldn't figure out a logically-consistent method' to entirely get rid of those last vestiges of government. Lacking such an plausible method, I chose the intellectually-honest route of accepting (at the time) that some residual government would be necessary.

While not specifically aware of David Friedman's (son of famous economist Milton Friedman) "Hard Problem" http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/04/will_david_ frie.html , from his book, "The Machinery of Freedom" (1973; revised in 1989; again 2014), I was effectively aware of the same barrier, and like Friedman, I could not see any solution. Anarchy, I concluded, was impractical, and unachievable.

It's a good thing that I wasn't aware of Friedman's "Hard Problem", or the idea it was "hard". In January 1995 I because to contemplate the idea that turned into my "Assassination Politics" essay. https://cryptome.org/ap.htm

I wasn't intending to solve that problem: Rather, I was trying to figure out how an otherwise-powerless public could defend itself from bad acts, mostly from government employees. I realized that to combine the contributions of anonymous individuals, allows that public can deter and prevent those bad acts. I further realized that this system would be extremely economical, allowing (for instance) the region known as "America" to defend itself, not merely from external threats, but also internal crime, probably for a total cost of under $1 billion per year, far less than the $600 billion in defense spending currently done.

A simplistic, initial analysis (which I initially assumed, even before I wrote the first part of the AP essay) was that AP would simply fix government. But the ultimate "fix" was actually far more powerful than I'd initially realized, not merely fixing governments, but destroying all governments, and thus protecting an anarchist or minarchist region from threatening neighbors.

Put simply, I solved David Friedman's "Hard Problem". I haven't yet seen the 2014 revision of his book, Machinery of Freedom, to see if he has acknowledged this yet. I think it would be extraordinarily strange if he doesn't do so: After all, ostensibly we are on the same side of this matter. He advocates a zero-government solution: Why wouldn't he cite a proof that a zero-government solution is actually possible, contrary to his apparent previous opinion?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machinery_of_Freedom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machinery_of_Freedom

But in effect, I think I was quite correct, pre-1995, for me to believe that anarchy was impractical. I don't know how people who labelled themselves as 'anarchists' resolved the apparent contradiction. Were they aware that anarchy wasn't stable? (At least not absent my 1995 invention, AP). Most likely I think they were simply unaware that anarchy wasn't going to be stable. Or, perhaps they assumed that then-future events would somehow solve the problem. As, ultimately, they did, but it didn't have to be that way. I, virtually by accident, solved that problem. But things could have been very different.

Jim Bell

Cari Machet

6 Aug 6 Aug

12:38 a.m.

there are numerous types of anarchy one has direct democracy > horizontality as a formulation like in switzerland its a process (like life is a build so is the anarchic form) and the hierarchical forms of government are eroded by its functionality we made formulations for assemblies and developed new methods within different geographies for structure > new structure for decision making > participatory there are many actions within the erosion process one is participatory budgeting >>>> most sectors can have actions in this way On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 12:37 AM, jim bell wrote:

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*From:* Steve Kinney

On 08/04/2016 03:00 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

...
...
I asked Steve some suggestions in private, but it's better to ask publicly, so more people can profit the clues. Oh, you know, he loves books, uses cute emoticons and makes oink oink. He's a good reference for me, hahaha!! ;)

...
When dredging the Internet for information, I am sure you won't have much trouble picking out the State sponsored anarchist literature and pseudo-radical propaganda fronts:

I hope people will forgive me for tooting my own horn. I was a minarchist Libertarian in 1994, not an anarchist Libertarian. But it wasn't because I somehow wanted to keep around some minimal government. Rather, it was because I couldn't figure out a logically-consistent method' to entirely get rid of those last vestiges of government. Lacking such an plausible method, I chose the intellectually-honest route of accepting (at the time) that some residual government would be necessary.

While not specifically aware of David Friedman's (son of famous economist Milton Friedman) "Hard Problem" http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/04/will_david_ frie.html , from his book, "The Machinery of Freedom" (1973; revised in 1989; again 2014), I was effectively aware of the same barrier, and like Friedman, I could not see any solution. Anarchy, I concluded, was impractical, and unachievable.

It's a good thing that I wasn't aware of Friedman's "Hard Problem", or the idea it was "hard". In January 1995 I because to contemplate the idea that turned into my "Assassination Politics" essay. https://cryptome.org/ap.htm

I wasn't intending to solve that problem: Rather, I was trying to figure out how an otherwise-powerless public could defend itself from bad acts, mostly from government employees. I realized that to combine the contributions of anonymous individuals, allows that public can deter and prevent those bad acts. I further realized that this system would be extremely economical, allowing (for instance) the region known as "America" to defend itself, not merely from external threats, but also internal crime, probably for a total cost of under $1 billion per year, far less than the $600 billion in defense spending currently done.

A simplistic, initial analysis (which I initially assumed, even before I wrote the first part of the AP essay) was that AP would simply fix government. But the ultimate "fix" was actually far more powerful than I'd initially realized, not merely fixing governments, but destroying all governments, and thus protecting an anarchist or minarchist region from threatening neighbors.

Put simply, I solved David Friedman's "Hard Problem". I haven't yet seen the 2014 revision of his book, Machinery of Freedom, to see if he has acknowledged this yet. I think it would be extraordinarily strange if he doesn't do so: After all, ostensibly we are on the same side of this matter. He advocates a zero-government solution: Why wouldn't he cite a proof that a zero-government solution is actually possible, contrary to his apparent previous opinion?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machinery_of_Freedom

But in effect, I think I was quite correct, pre-1995, for me to believe that anarchy was impractical. I don't know how people who labelled themselves as 'anarchists' resolved the apparent contradiction. Were they aware that anarchy wasn't stable? (At least not absent my 1995 invention, AP). Most likely I think they were simply unaware that anarchy wasn't going to be stable. Or, perhaps they assumed that then-future events would somehow solve the problem. As, ultimately, they did, but it didn't have to be that way. I, virtually by accident, solved that problem. But things could have been very different.

Jim Bell

juan

5 Aug 5 Aug

12:34 a.m.

On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 04:00:47 -0300 Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

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I was thinking about asking you some suggestions of good anarchist readings, because I made some searches and - wow! - the bibliography is really huge.

Yes, and I only know a small fraction of it...

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I need some help to separate the wheat from the shaft, please.

I can recommend stuff I like and I know is good, but there may be other good stuff I don't know and am missing. Anyway, having done the limited-liability, standard disclaimer... Bakunin is pretty good. He goes to the heart of anti authoritarian philosophy mocking the authority of the state, religion, 'science' and society. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michail-bakunin-man-society-and-free... ------- Lysander Spooner (a natural rights lawyer) http://www.lysanderspooner.org/works/ http://www.lysanderspooner.org/s/NO-TREASONn6.pdf http://www.lysanderspooner.org/s/NATURAL-LAW.pdf ------ Gustave de Molinari - An economist/liberal who proposed to get rid of the state in 1849. http://panarchy.org/molinari/molinari.html (1849) De la production de la sécurité [Français] http://panarchy.org/molinari/securite.html (1849) On the Production of Security [English] http://panarchy.org/molinari/security.html (1849) The Evenings of the rue Saint-Lazare - Eleventh Evening [English] http://panarchy.org/molinari/eleven.html Whole book in french : Les Soirées de la rue Saint-Lazare Entretiens sur les lois économiques et défense de la propriété http://herve.dequengo.free.fr/Molinari/Molinari.htm http://herve.dequengo.free.fr/Molinari/SRSL/SRSL_0.htm ------ Voluntary socialism; a sketch Tandy, Francis Dashwood https://archive.org/details/voluntarysociali00tandrich That one is interesting because what Tandy calls 'voluntary socialism' is rather close to what today is called 'market anarchism'. In Tandy's 'socialism' there are private firms whose job is to defend person and property...which is pure blasphemy for ordinary commies. ------ Another interesting economist/liberal, Thomas Hodgskin - The Natural and Artificial Right of Property Contrasted [1832] http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/hodgskin-the-natural-and-artificial-right-... (I'm not sure if Hodgskin strictly belongs to the anarchist category. I had some quotes that suggested so, but I can't find them now. Anyway he's pretty radical and was plagiarized by marx) ------ If more authors come to mind, I'll add them.

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Or a guide "Advanced Anarchism for Dummies". I know only the baby steps, sorry. :(

I asked Steve some suggestions in private, but it's better to ask publicly, so more people can profit the clues. Oh, you know, he loves books, uses cute emoticons and makes oink oink. He's a good reference for me, hahaha!! ;)

Tender kisses for all of you! <3

Ceci

Steve Kinney

14 Aug 14 Aug

2:56 a.m.

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I can recommend stuff I like and I know is good, but there may be other good stuff I don't know and am missing. Anyway, having done the limited-liability, standard disclaimer...

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Douglas Lucas

5 Aug 5 Aug

11:38 p.m.

Hi Cecilia, The author says it's not [left-wing] anarchism, but rather self-governance, yet to some people the two are similar or similar enough for me to post this in response to your query... Heather Marsh's book Binding Chaos: Systems of Mass Collaboration, free in full, PDF: https://georgiebc.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/bindingchaos85x11.pdf other formats: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/binding-chaos/ Also, another author, Ursula K. Le Guin, is kinda frustrated with this 1974 novel of hers being picked up by left-wing anarchists, but I'd highly recommend reading The Dispossessed, available in full for (pirated) free at The Anarchist Library: http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ for a picture of what it might be like in practice. Have fun and overthrow governments and corporations, Douglas On 08/04/2016 12:00 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

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On Jul 29, 2016 10:36 PM, "juan" mailto:juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:

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Are you talking about equality before the law? (which

logically entails anarchism btw)

Juan dear,

Instead arguing with you about vocabulary, real meaning of some words or not, limits of some concepts, gender equality, men and women, storks and babies, I decided asking for help and avoid a possible gaffe or being unfair with you. :P

I was thinking about asking you some suggestions of good anarchist readings, because I made some searches and - wow! - the bibliography is really huge. I need some help to separate the wheat from the shaft, please. Or a guide "Advanced Anarchism for Dummies". I know only the baby steps, sorry. :(

I asked Steve some suggestions in private, but it's better to ask publicly, so more people can profit the clues. Oh, you know, he loves books, uses cute emoticons and makes oink oink. He's a good reference for me, hahaha!! ;)

Tender kisses for all of you! <3

Ceci

Steve Kinney

6 Aug 6 Aug

5:08 a.m.

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Also, another author, Ursula K. Le Guin, is kinda frustrated with this 1974 novel of hers being picked up by left-wing anarchists, but I'd highly recommend reading The Dispossessed, available in full for (pirated) free at The Anarchist Library: http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ for a picture of what it might be like in practice.

Have fun and overthrow governments and corporations,

Douglas

Woah, blink and it's gone: But we have our little ways: https://web.archive.org/web/20160722020742/http://theanarchistlibrary.or g/library/ursula-k-le-guin-the-dispossessed PDF link works. Have fun but be careful not to get broken on that lathe... ;o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXpXDnAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqV2wIAIwqmwo5EsDbHiNPcw+Kl6SV uymxtS6e+REg0kxMsNZZEZ7zJDjgethKAJcYDN/Mfsd8k55WDGee3LI/XkGIYgEZ vZJOhiIifwgEsOtn2Fzi44hAA0V7OYTwxOoIM/JgQMaphORhaldfL2ZwVvD1zFN4 6Odp4ShG4AYVwEZOVsSTWBSe1AId2N4DeToS8SYT+XOQEfognQ0tGyVnSrCKh37M /RP4R7Q3UOjdqtY4ImwRxDALPB+vTxXtIhkXwrhsOea9J7v4huXz/FesLpJeTtdJ mlNMgRQdDqzrgu7OROVTPsDVQaCWvs6sN3hmsaTXTixYNzHPZx6PTKGd9J0wDe0= =zCi3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Cecilia Tanaka

9:09 p.m.

Thank you for the references and links, Douglas and Steve. Muuuaah!!! :* I certainly will have fun reading all the suggestions of this thread. Hope more people here too, hihi... :) Kisses for all of you! Have a good weekend, dreamers! <3 - c.

John Newman

9 Aug 9 Aug

7:43 p.m.

On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 04:00:47AM -0300, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

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On Jul 29, 2016 10:36 PM, "juan" wrote:

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Are you talking about equality before the law? (which logically

entails anarchism btw)

Juan dear,

Instead arguing with you about vocabulary, real meaning of some words or not, limits of some concepts, gender equality, men and women, storks and babies, I decided asking for help and avoid a possible gaffe or being unfair with you. :P

I was thinking about asking you some suggestions of good anarchist readings, because I made some searches and - wow! - the bibliography is really huge. I need some help to separate the wheat from the shaft, please. Or a guide "Advanced Anarchism for Dummies". I know only the baby steps, sorry. :(

Besides all the stuff already mentioned, some decent "anarchy fiction" would be the Culture books by Ian Banks.. set in a distant post-scarcity future, the "Culture" in question is definitely an interesting take on anarchy. Large swaths of humanity populate the galaxy, mostly living in enormous space stations (huge rotating stanford torus-style rings). Benevolent AIs "watch over" humanity, but anyone can choose to opt out and no one has to obey, although obviously cooperation helps.. the books are great. If you dig punk/hardcore, the band Propagandhi makes some great shit. Their lyrics are all about freedom and the crimes of our oppressors, and the lyrics are smart, the music is fucking great. Less Talk, More Rock and Todays Empires, Tomorrows Ashes are both fantastic. Although, they do get a little too precious about veganism for my, err, tastes... ;) I haven't read Bakunin or any of the 'real' stuff since high school or early college.. Reading about the russian revolution recently was very depressing. Personally I don't hold much hope for humanity..I figure the solution to Fermis paradox is self-evident. We are going to fucking destroy ourselves. Live it up while you can ;) John

Steve Kinney

8:34 p.m.

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If you dig punk/hardcore, the band Propagandhi makes some great shit. Their lyrics are all about freedom and the crimes of our oppressors, and the lyrics are smart, the music is fucking great. Less Talk, More Rock and Todays Empires, Tomorrows Ashes are both fantastic. Although, they do get a little too precious about veganism for my, err, tastes... ;)

Dr. Mabuse (Propaganda, A Secret Wish, 1985) was playing while I read the above quoted post. There must be something in the air. Also recommended, all just out this year: B-Movie, Climate Of Fear Richard Ashcroft, These People Posies, Solid State and maybe especially: Escondito, Walking With A Stranger :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXqj5BAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqKNEIAIaDzvIr170PubF1HxeHmtCb TibDnQ8mZRQx/afjAB9TvLaN493MmbJIR99gZyP6jRYpA+y/DJd/rrtZP/gyFPxT Drg7S2HWmRpd2dC/mR1unTKLzZHyuKq4kYaok+h7JUfiCL0v7wqtP/RHOZdFbbmI FQsFQVJQXiu1Hia9/Umu/+p/3dZLOxI40Way2SUeweXuDbKLKHS0zhy+rub7+YgE gN8wjm62+OWEBWjFxwNO54AIibl7vZraKaaFa/OApNSoUDRmurRVLnpjX/NFwTnc IKSVDIlz59BtF9MdhxlZBRNfR1EwL08FVMeRfff/N2fZMLOSx1shrCk29wkt/XA= =XYga -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Bastiani Fortress

10 Aug 10 Aug

9:03 a.m.

Steve Kinney

11 Aug 11 Aug

1:53 a.m.

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11:00 PM, August 9, 2016, John Newman :

If you dig punk/hardcore, the band Propagandhi makes some great shit.

Rage against the machine, while we're at it :)

Personally I don't hold much hope for humanity..I figure the solution to Fermis paradox is self-evident.

That is so depressing, but there's no denying it. In such discussions with people, i always claim cooperation and empathy is just as human nature as selfishness, as a pro-socialist argument, but deep down inside, i can't say i have much hope either.

Fermi's Paradox? Per its .com address: "The Fermi Paradox is the apparent contradiction between the high probability extraterrestrial civilizations' existence and the lack of contact with such civilizations." I don't mean to diss the "inevitable self destruction" model. My own conclusion is that it's in progress here and now and can not be stopped by any human agency. But while the end of civilization as we know it may be unthinkable for Civilized people and institutions, leading to the illusion that it means extinction, it is not unsurvivable. Humans are the toughest weeds Nature ever made, capable of living on pack ice or dry rock desert for half the year armed only with Neolithic technology ... and loving it. What will the first couple of Post Apocalyptic generations make out of the mangled landscapes and derelict infrastructure of Civilization? A new kind of civilization, of course. That thing that happened in Europe after the Black Death? Homo Sap ain't seen nothing yet: This time it's global, and post-scarcity is among the possible outcomes. We don't see interstellar "civilizations" very often, because those who did not get over making everything bigger and more powerful for sake of bigness and power didn't make it. For reals. Some of those gamma bursts may be industrial accidents, or Bad Outcomes to MAD based defense strategies (an especially stupid kind of industrial accident). If the absence of torrents of long range EM message traffic is surprising, that's only because we presume aliens talk with strings and tin cans "just like us." If the absence of star drive signatures is surprising, it's more likely that our assumptions about what those signatures would be are faulty, than that there are no interstellar voyagers riding the starwinds. If the absence of physical visitors is surprising, that just means a lot of people have not taken a hard critical look at UFO investigations: Failure to invade and loot or otherwise dominate a technologically weaker species' cradle planet may be evidence of the presence of extraterrestrial intelligence, rather than its absence. In my view practical anarchism is much more about developing adaptations for conditions after the fall of Civilization, than with making Civilization fall. The latter task has already been done for us gratis [not], by the Powers and Principalities of the world. Building the best future possible for kids born in 2150 is gonna be a fuckton of work, and we better get as much done in advance as possible. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXq9qKAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqIVAH/0fJfgBdCk6VW14UGBH/6dPg cpohnB0vcv10aGzwq70+u5s8Q4gCk81m/PRLNZKaWQuXksococMIbbZM/nDrbx01 V15Ywdv4Vkaiz2uFqtpKzBBPyMHoDDOGV7ChGqrHyUQqkF70unuBbF6DNoULuLFK f5YsXVsspXdsn1fI3rcJfQffTLDcvlCBpPy/xJCjrWhS8OvR7QfTp89+zSZ3n4C7 nJAv73ubpQY8+S6PaUytpkG4pyF6z8Y6R5BIw0uMh1AGzQu7zhBEY63v/F+kyOeK eV1lgsu98udMcZ2nByLakuPrQZxAHm+4CUsahD1Ub/DR32U4e/6R7yjiDv6jLDw= =nbHT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Mirimir

2:25 a.m.

On 08/10/2016 07:53 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

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On 08/10/2016 05:03 AM, Bastiani Fortress wrote:

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11:00 PM, August 9, 2016, John Newman :

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If you dig punk/hardcore, the band Propagandhi makes some great shit.

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Rage against the machine, while we're at it :)

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Personally I don't hold much hope for humanity..I figure the solution to Fermis paradox is self-evident.

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That is so depressing, but there's no denying it. In such discussions with people, i always claim cooperation and empathy is just as human nature as selfishness, as a pro-socialist argument, but deep down inside, i can't say i have much hope either.

Fermi's Paradox? Per its .com address:

"The Fermi Paradox is the apparent contradiction between the high probability extraterrestrial civilizations' existence and the lack of contact with such civilizations."

Maybe someone is killing them off ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Star

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I don't mean to diss the "inevitable self destruction" model. My own conclusion is that it's in progress here and now and can not be stopped by any human agency. But while the end of civilization as we know it may be unthinkable for Civilized people and institutions, leading to the illusion that it means extinction, it is not unsurvivable. Humans are the toughest weeds Nature ever made, capable of living on pack ice or dry rock desert for half the year armed only with Neolithic technology ... and loving it. What will the first couple of Post Apocalyptic generations make out of the mangled landscapes and derelict infrastructure of Civilization? A new kind of civilization, of course.

That thing that happened in Europe after the Black Death? Homo Sap ain't seen nothing yet: This time it's global, and post-scarcity is among the possible outcomes.

We don't see interstellar "civilizations" very often, because those who did not get over making everything bigger and more powerful for sake of bigness and power didn't make it. For reals. Some of those gamma bursts may be industrial accidents, or Bad Outcomes to MAD based defense strategies (an especially stupid kind of industrial accident).

If the absence of torrents of long range EM message traffic is surprising, that's only because we presume aliens talk with strings and tin cans "just like us." If the absence of star drive signatures is surprising, it's more likely that our assumptions about what those signatures would be are faulty, than that there are no interstellar voyagers riding the starwinds. If the absence of physical visitors is surprising, that just means a lot of people have not taken a hard critical look at UFO investigations: Failure to invade and loot or otherwise dominate a technologically weaker species' cradle planet may be evidence of the presence of extraterrestrial intelligence, rather than its absence.

In my view practical anarchism is much more about developing adaptations for conditions after the fall of Civilization, than with making Civilization fall. The latter task has already been done for us gratis [not], by the Powers and Principalities of the world. Building the best future possible for kids born in 2150 is gonna be a fuckton of work, and we better get as much done in advance as possible.

:o)

Zenaan Harkness

3:46 p.m.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 09:53:14PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:

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On 08/10/2016 05:03 AM, Bastiani Fortress wrote:

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11:00 PM, August 9, 2016, John Newman :

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Personally I don't hold much hope for humanity..I figure the solution to Fermis paradox is self-evident.

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We don't see interstellar "civilizations" very often, because those who did not get over making everything bigger and more powerful for sake of bigness and power didn't make it. For reals. Some of those gamma bursts may be industrial accidents, or Bad Outcomes to MAD based defense strategies (an especially stupid kind of industrial accident).

Is there a name for the planet that was the asteroid belt before it was an asteroid belt? Mars' Marina Canyon/ trench, may have been from rain of some composition, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valles_Marineris but perhaps was an interplanetary energy warfare result where ultimately Mars succeeded and that other planet became the asteroid belt. To my eye, that trench looks more like target practice (for a somewhat intense version of 'practice') rather than river delta...

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If the absence of torrents of long range EM message traffic is surprising, that's only because we presume aliens talk with strings and tin cans "just like us." If the absence of star drive signatures is surprising, it's more likely that our assumptions about what those signatures would be are faulty, than that there are no interstellar voyagers riding the starwinds. If the absence of physical visitors is surprising, that just means a lot of people have not taken a hard critical look at UFO investigations: Failure to invade and loot or otherwise dominate a technologically weaker species' cradle planet may be evidence of the presence of extraterrestrial intelligence, rather than its absence.

jim bell

6:35 p.m.

From: Zenaan Harkness On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 09:53:14PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:

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On 08/10/2016 05:03 AM, Bastiani Fortress wrote:

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11:00 PM, August 9, 2016, John Newman :

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We don't see interstellar "civilizations" very often, because those who did not get over making everything bigger and more powerful for sake of bigness and power didn't make it. For reals. Some of those gamma bursts may be industrial accidents, or Bad Outcomes to MAD based defense strategies (an especially stupid kind of industrial accident).

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Is there a name for the planet that was the asteroid belt before it was an asteroid belt? Phaeton. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaeton_(hypothetical_planet) My understanding is that those rocks never made up a planet. This may havehad something to do with Jupiter's comparative closeness. Jim Bell

Cecilia Tanaka

12 Aug 12 Aug

4:55 p.m.

The sweetest person of this list [1] asked me if this music could be a good Cypherpunks theme song... :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2LUqMH8x-I Being sincere, I didn't like the music, but the lyrics are very interesting, hihi! ;) We already had some suggestions in this thread, like "Propagandhi" and "Rage Against The Machine", but what could be a really good anarchist soundtrack for this weekend, please? :D Ah, thank you very much for all the suggested readings, lovely people! I am reading the bibliography a bit every day. Lots of books at same time, of course. Chaos is fun. :) Happy kisses, love and tickles!!! <3 Ceci [1] Ah, when he is not complaining and being acid, he is almost a very happy labrador able of typing, wagging his tail like a fan while listens to (ahem, bad!) music, haha!! Definitely love him, haha!! ;D No, it isn't Steve. He never is acid and is always more charming than Snoopy dancing. Happy beagle's dance, ow! Love Steve too! <3 <3 <3 http://youtu.be/iFNLbAs3KAU

Cecilia Tanaka

14 Aug 14 Aug

2:09 p.m.

Thank you for all who sent me musics in private. It was very sweet! <3 I love music. It warms my heart and - wow! - there are zillions of beautiful musics in the world that I never heard before. :D Sorry, I confess I asked for "help" just to renew a bit my soundtrack, haha! ;) A beautiful music to wish you all an excellent day! <3 I really love Ed Sheeran's cover of Bob Dylan's protest song "Masters of War". The lyrics are very powerful, really beautiful and intense. I love this song. http://youtu.be/aHMlAYeFeYw "Masters Of War" (Bob Dylan) Come you masters of war You that build all the guns You that build the death planes You that build all the bombs You that hide behind walls You that hide behind desks I just want you to know I can see through your masks. You that never done nothin' But build to destroy You play with my world Like it's your little toy You put a gun in my hand And you hide from my eyes And you turn and run farther When the fast bullets fly. Like Judas of old You lie and deceive A world war can be won You want me to believe But I see through your eyes And I see through your brain Like I see through the water That runs down my drain. You fasten all the triggers For the others to fire Then you set back and watch When the death count gets higher You hide in your mansion' As young people's blood Flows out of their bodies And is buried in the mud. You've thrown the worst fear That can ever be hurled Fear to bring children Into the world For threatening my baby Unborn and unnamed You ain't worth the blood That runs in your veins. How much do I know To talk out of turn You might say that I'm young You might say I'm unlearned But there's one thing I know Though I'm younger than you That even Jesus would never Forgive what you do. Let me ask you one question Is your money that good Will it buy you forgiveness Do you think that it could I think you will find When your death takes its toll All the money you made Will never buy back your soul. And I hope that you die And your death'll come soon I will follow your casket In the pale afternoon And I'll watch while you're lowered Down to your deathbed And I'll stand over your grave 'Til I'm sure that you're dead.

Cecilia Tanaka

11 Aug 11 Aug

3:51 p.m.

Completely OT, but it has Hardy Har Har sense of humor... :P "Being bad-tempered and pessimistic helps you to earn more, live longer and enjoy a healthier marriage." < http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160809-why-it-pays-to-be-grumpy-and-bad-te...

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Cecilia Tanaka

10 Aug 10 Aug

11:13 p.m.

On Aug 9, 2016 4:43 PM, "John Newman" wrote:

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Although, they do get a little too precious about veganism for my, err,

tastes... ;) Being vegan is very fun for lighthearted trolls. I can use it as excuse for everything and always will be people thinking I am talking seriously. ;) Currently, I am saying to some friends that hunting pokémons is not vegan at all, hahaha!! ;D

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Reading about the russian revolution recently was very depressing. Personally I don't hold much hope for humanity..I figure the solution to Fermis paradox is self-evident. We are going to fucking destroy ourselves. Live it up while you can ;)

While the end doesn't arrive, I was reading a bit about Victoria Woodhull [1] and cute soldering kits. I really appreciated to learn a bit more about her. Great girl, wow! :D Yep, thinking about the future can be very depressing, but it's fun to think about all the possibilities. I really think technology and goodwill can make a better world for everybody and - wow! - there are lots of interesting, amazing people in the whole world. Being alive is still fun, even when everything makes no sense. Life is very crazy in some moments. Now, I was trying to mention a Hardy Har Har quote to make you laugh and discovered the eternal pessimist hyena is more bitter and depressive in the Brazilian version, haha!! ;D It's funnier, much more dramatic, but was strange to discover how much the translations can adapt or modify the original talks. Here the hyena always complains "I know it won't work... Oh Heavens! Oh day! Oh bad luck!" instead "Oh me, oh my, oh dear"... :P This kind of unexpected fun thing keeps me alive and my mood, more or less, good. You know, life is a bitch and sucks, but, in some moments, it is very expensive, dramatic and doesn't suck well. ;) In any case, there are lots of good people and wonderful music in the world. And children. Children always are the hope for a better future! <3 Tender kisses, warm hugs and lots of hope! :* - c. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Woodhull

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