On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 04:27:32 -0500 grarpamp wrote:

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:28 AM, juan wrote:

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"we don't need more or better leaders" that's right and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck himself. no, fuck any politician.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5K3KCxWOY4 http://KokeshForPresident.com/ Adam Kokesh, the declared anarchist for US president 2020, too?

ha - in a way kokesh is worse than manning. Manning at least doesn't say he's an anarchist. Also kokesh is an 'ex' US military murderer (or accomplice) and unlike manning he never betrayed his masters. On the other hand, if kokesh the anarchist actually got elected AND then managed to sabotage the government to a meaningful degree, his idiosyncratic anarchism could be justified. But since the chances of that happening are exactly zero, all he's doing is parodying himself. Because anarchist for president makes as much sense as pro-war pacifist.

Granted, she's running democrat. What about libertarians / pirates / full on anarchopunk moles running as [non]parties MP / for PM, that work for you?

something like a pirate party seems better since they are supposed to be focused on a few particular issues. But how succesful have the pirate parties been anyway? I might support the pornography-and-drugs party =)

Then what exactly is your solution?

you can do any sort of anti-govt activism without becoming a member of the state. Becoming a member of the government to fight the government is not a clever move.

Sit in your lazy chair and keep letting both the 51% and 49%, or whatever unitary form applies, keep stealing from you by force so they can keep on murdering people?

Where does that stop?

it stops when the dictates of govt are ignored or violently opposed, not when you ask the govt permission to do something and follow their 'democratic' rules'. You know the saying, paraphrasing, if democracy worked it would be outlawed. (look at what the US 'libertarian' party has accomplished in almost 50 years - both from electoral and educational point of views)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I

"we don't need more or better leaders"

that's right and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck himself.

YOU REALLY ARE HATEFUL ASSHOLES. IT'S A SHAME THAT THIS LIST HAS BEEN DESTROYED BY AN INFESTATION OF BIGOTS AND FASCISTS. - --- Marina

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Big respect and support.

no, fuck any politician.

8x Snip x8

You REALLY need to look at Manning's twitterfeed. You're missing the point entirely.

Rr

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 01/18/2018 01:43 PM, John Newman wrote:

On January 17, 2018 2:28:35 AM EST, juan wrote:

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500 grarpamp wrote:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I

"we don't need more or better leaders"

that's right and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck himself.

When does someone with gender dysphoria who has had their cock chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, has breasts implanted, legally changed their name, takes female hormones / estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she?

Um... I don't think she had any surgeries at all. Making assumptions, are we ?

I've no idea what all Manning has had done, but it seems silly to deny someone the right to assert their own gender, especially when they're willing to go to such lengths. I don't give a fuck about being PC, it just seems like a silly thing to quibble and make a big deal over.

Have you been watching the world at all in the last 10 years ? Chelsea Manning released litterally thousands of diplomatic cables for our reading enjoyment. Few of these were marked Top Secret most were confidential. Personally i gained a lot of understanding of the way diplomacy works and a bit of entertainment at some of the bizzare stuff that got put in official diplomatic channels. The thing she leaked that caused the most consternation was a video of US soldiers killing Journalists. I don't even think that was classified but it really upset a lot of people.

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no, fuck any politician.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 01/18/2018 03:58 PM, John Newman wrote:

On January 18, 2018 2:39:53 PM EST, Marina Brown wrote: On 01/18/2018 01:43 PM, John Newman wrote:

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On January 17, 2018 2:28:35 AM EST, juan wrote:

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500 grarpamp wrote:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I

"we don't need more or better leaders"

that's right and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck himself.

When does someone with gender dysphoria who has had their cock chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, has breasts implanted, legally changed their name, takes female hormones / estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she?

Um... I don't think she had any surgeries at all. Making assumptions, are we ?

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I've no idea what all Manning has had done, but it seems silly to deny someone the right to assert their own gender, especially when they're willing to go to such lengths. I don't give a fuck about being PC, it just seems like a silly thing to quibble and make a big deal over.

Have you been watching the world at all in the last 10 years ?

Chelsea Manning released litterally thousands of diplomatic cables for our reading enjoyment. Few of these were marked Top Secret most were confidential.

Personally i gained a lot of understanding of the way diplomacy works and a bit of entertainment at some of the bizzare stuff that got put in official diplomatic channels.

The thing she leaked that caused the most consternation was a video of US soldiers killing Journalists. I don't even think that was classified but it really upset a lot of people.

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I meant I wasn't clear on how far she had taken the sex conversion ;)

Nowadays a lot of trans people forgoe surgery and just do the hormones. The mark of the conversion is living full time as you are.

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I'm up on everything else of course, the leaks and getting narced on by that piece of shit Adrian Lamo.

I don't know how she found herself trusting him. I was familiar with him back then and he made my skin crawl. He reminded me of a high school bully that befriends people just so they can betray them.

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I was just basically trying to make an argument that if she wants to be a she, what the hell does it matter?

Seriously. - -- Marina

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On Jan 18, 2018, at 7:06 PM, juan wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:43:19 -0500 John Newman wrote:

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On January 17, 2018 2:28:35 AM EST, juan wrote: On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500 grarpamp wrote:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I

"we don't need more or better leaders"

that's right and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck himself.

When does someone with gender dysphoria

what is that? oh, it's pseudo scientific jargon from the psychiatric mafia - same mafia who useed to 'cure' homosexuality with a lobotomy. Same criminal scum who 'cure' 'ADHD' by drugging children with meth. Et cetera.

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who has had their cock chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, has breasts implanted, legally changed their name, takes female hormones / estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she?

I don't know. Overall I think people can do whatever they want with their bodies. Likewise, I'm free to say whatever I want and not have my speech dictated...by anyone.

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I've no idea what all Manning has had done, but it seems silly to deny someone the right to assert their own gender,

you mean, I have no right to free speech?

Yup! You’re muzzled. That’s my end game. Hmm I don’t think it worked? ;)

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especially when they're willing to go to such lengths. I don't give a fuck about being PC, it just seems like a silly thing to quibble and make a big deal over.

Right. What pronoun I use to refer to manning isn't too important is it?

Now, it seems rather clear to me that the more totalitarian and criminally derangedt the americunts get, the more they 'care' about 'oppressed' 'womemynz' and pronoun usage.

Do you see the pattern? It's a form of camouflage. The more advanced the american canger gets, the more money the banks print, more countries they invade, more backdoored hardware they sell, the more 'progressive' they pretend to be.

I wouldn't like to play into the hands of those people.

I don’t really feel like I’m playing into anyone’s hand. To me it has absolutely jack fucking shit to do with state rhetoric. But, you know, to each their own.. (thoughts and words)..

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Big respect and support.

no, fuck any politician.

On Jan 18, 2018, at 8:17 PM, juan wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:43:19 -0500 John Newman wrote:

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has had their cock chopped off

Now, that's an interesting one. Cutting your dick off seems like a nasty thing to do to yourself. And cutting your dick off is of course a brutal form of castration. And castration is something one would expect a feminazi, anti-sex mock 'culture' like the americunt-western 'culture' to encourage.

I don’t think it’s really just a matter of chopping it off, that was me just sort of bullshitting ;) Anyway, out of curiosity, I took a look and Argentina is actually quite a bit farther along this line than the old Americunts... the following cut and pasted from wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Argentina “Transgender rights in Argentina are among the most advanced in the world. The country "has one of the world's most comprehensive transgender rights laws":[1] its Gender Law, passed in 2012, made Argentina the "only country that allows people to change their gender identities without facing barriers such as hormone therapy, surgery or psychiatric diagnosis that labels them as having an abnormality".[2][3] In 2015, the World Health Organization cited Argentina as an exemplary country for providing transgender rights.[3] Upon legalising same-sex marriage on July 15, 2010, Argentina became the first country in Latin America, the second in the Americas, and the tenth in the world to do so.” <snip some stuff> “Gender identity law The Ley de Género (Gender Law),[7] grants adults sex reassignment surgery and hormone therapy as a part of their public or private health care plans. The law also allows for changes to gender, image, or birth name on civil registries without the approval of a doctor or a judge.”

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“Gender identity law a judge.”

sounds like bullshit. Changing your birth name was always a bureaucratic mess and I actually doubt people ever tried it. So I highly doubt you can now change your name or 'image'(what the fuck is that even supposed to mean) easily.

I can tell you however that last time I tried to buy a kilo of caustic soda, the motherfucking scum at the shop didn't sell it to me because I don't have a credit card. They want ID AND you can't pay in cash. Courtesy of the DEA and the local DEA lapdogs.

Oh they just want to track anyone making soap ... so if you're going to clean up the Street, you better do so in the back alley :D

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I don’t think it’s really just a matter of chopping it off,

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but that's what it is. Actually it isn't that at all. It's a complex surgical procedure where they, for want of a more technical description, "turn it inside out and tuck it in". Rr Ps. I knew a guy in boulder Co in the 1970s that did the chopjob on himself. But he was a rather disturbed person who couldn't possibly pass the standard psych evaluation.

that was me just sort of bullshitting ;)

rather, I think you are bullshitting now, trying to play it down =) Anyway, out of curiosity, I took a

look and Argentina is actually quite a bit farther along this line than the old Americunts... the following cut and pasted from wikipedia  -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Argentina

“Transgender rights in Argentina are among the most advanced in the world.

sounds exactly like what the typical local 'progressive' asshole would write : "most advanced in the world"  haha

The country "has one of the world's most comprehensive transgender rights laws":[1] its Gender Law, passed in 2012, made Argentina the "only country that allows people to change their gender identities without facing barriers such as hormone therapy, surgery or psychiatric diagnosis that labels them as having an abnormality".[2][3] In 2015, the World Health Organization cited Argentina as an exemplary country for providing transgender rights.[3] Upon legalising same-sex marriage on July 15, 2010, Argentina became the first country in Latin America, the second in the Americas, and the tenth in the world to do so.”

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“Gender identity law

The Ley de Género (Gender Law),[7] grants adults sex reassignment surgery and hormone therapy as a part of their public or private health care plans. The law also allows for changes to gender, image, or birth name on civil registries without the approval of a doctor or a judge.”

sounds like bullshit. Changing your birth name was always a bureaucratic mess and I actually doubt people ever tried it. So I highly doubt you can now change your name or 'image'(what the fuck is that even supposed to mean) easily. I can tell you however that last time I tried to buy a kilo of caustic soda, the motherfucking scum at the shop didn't sell it to me because I don't have a credit card. They want  ID AND you can't pay in cash. Courtesy of the DEA and the local DEA lapdogs.

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has had their cock chopped off

Now, that's an interesting one. Cutting your dick off seems like a nasty thing to do to yourself. And cutting your dick off is of course a brutal form of castration. And castration is something one would expect a feminazi, anti-sex mock 'culture' like the americunt-western 'culture' to encourage.

I don’t think it’s really just a matter of chopping it off, that was me just sort of bullshitting ;) Anyway, out of curiosity, I took a look and Argentina is actually quite a bit farther along this line than the old Americunts... the following cut and pasted from wikipedia -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Argentina

*“Transgender rights in Argentina* are among the most advanced in the world. The country "has one of the world's most comprehensive transgender rights https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights laws":^[1] <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Argentina#cite_

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its Gender Law, passed in 2012, made Argentina the "only country that

allows people to change their gender identities without facing barriers such as hormone therapy <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_(transgen der)>, surgery https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_surgery or psychiatric diagnosis that labels them as having an abnormality".^[2] <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Argentina#cite_ note-washingtonpost-2>

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In 2015, the World Health Organization

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization cited Argentina as an exemplary country for providing transgender rights.^[3] <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Argentina#cite_ note-usnews-3>

Upon legalising same-sex marriage

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage on July 15, 2010, Argentina became the first country in Latin America https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America, the second in the Americas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas, and the tenth in the world to do so.”

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The Ley de Género (Gender Law),^[7] <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Argentina#cite_ note-7>

grants adults sex reassignment surgery and hormone therapy as a part of

their public or private health care plans. The law also allows for changes to gender, image, or birth name on civil registries without the approval of a doctor or a judge.”

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