Hey, apparently this is the best way to get the trolls and discourse poisoners to come out of the woodwork around here. So hell, why not. Here's some code, have funzies: https://git.occrp.org/libre/metro tl;dr setting up IPsec is a pain in the arse, so by the power of way too many lines of Bash it has been made simpler. Comments, pull requests, criticism welcome. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On Aug 1, 2016 5:44 PM, "rysiek" <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Hey,
apparently this is the best way to get the trolls and discourse poisoners
to come out of the woodwork around here. I am a bit troll, love your hair and your ideas, but,unhappilly, my kung fu isn't strong enough to annoy you, my dear rysiek. Muuuaah! :*
On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 22:36:15 +0200 rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Hey,
apparently this is the best way to get the trolls and discourse poisoners to come out of the woodwork around here.
Look, it's rysiek! Hi rysiek! Have you heard the latest news about your beloved tor project? Those people are really something eh. I think this 'community' of 'cypherpunks' would profit greatly by hearing your testimony, praise and explanation of your blind trust and faith in the tor supreme humanitarians. So hell, why not.
Here's some code, have funzies: https://git.occrp.org/libre/metro
tl;dr setting up IPsec is a pain in the arse, so by the power of way too many lines of Bash it has been made simpler. Comments, pull requests, criticism welcome.
On Aug 1, 2016 7:46 PM, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 22:36:15 +0200 rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Hey,
apparently this is the best way to get the trolls and discourse
poisoners to come out of the woodwork around here.
Look, it's rysiek! Hi rysiek!
Have you heard the latest news about your beloved tor project?
Those people are really something eh.
I think this 'community' of 'cypherpunks' would profit greatly by
hearing your testimony, praise and explanation of your blind trust and faith in the tor supreme humanitarians. Wow!!! I don't know about metro's code yet, but rysiek's method for summon the trolls works well! :D (ok, I am late, but it was cute and I needed another pause, hihi...)
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:15:07 -0300 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 1, 2016 7:46 PM, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 22:36:15 +0200 rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Hey,
apparently this is the best way to get the trolls and discourse
poisoners to come out of the woodwork around here.
Look, it's rysiek! Hi rysiek!
Have you heard the latest news about your beloved tor project?
Those people are really something eh.
I think this 'community' of 'cypherpunks' would profit greatly by
hearing your testimony, praise and explanation of your blind trust and faith in the tor supreme humanitarians.
Wow!!! I don't know about metro's code yet, but rysiek's method for summon the trolls works well! :D
Are you talking about yourself? =) Or about rysiek? I mean, what can be more trolling than a pentagon apologist* and state apologist* in an allegedly 'cypherpunk' mailing list? *like rysiek *like rysiek So go ahead guys, let's hear about tor, bruce schneider, your amazing 'coding' that's causing the state to crash down before our very eyes!
(ok, I am late, but it was cute and I needed another pause, hihi...)
Yes lets hear about your thoughts on tor project rysiek On Aug 2, 2016 2:41 AM, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:15:07 -0300 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 1, 2016 7:46 PM, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 22:36:15 +0200 rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Hey,
apparently this is the best way to get the trolls and discourse
poisoners to come out of the woodwork around here.
Look, it's rysiek! Hi rysiek!
Have you heard the latest news about your beloved tor project?
Those people are really something eh.
I think this 'community' of 'cypherpunks' would profit greatly by
hearing your testimony, praise and explanation of your blind trust and faith in the tor supreme humanitarians.
Wow!!! I don't know about metro's code yet, but rysiek's method for summon the trolls works well! :D
Are you talking about yourself? =)
Or about rysiek? I mean, what can be more trolling than a pentagon apologist* and state apologist* in an allegedly 'cypherpunk' mailing list?
*like rysiek *like rysiek
So go ahead guys, let's hear about tor, bruce schneider, your amazing 'coding' that's causing the state to crash down before our very eyes!
(ok, I am late, but it was cute and I needed another pause, hihi...)
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 06:37:21PM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
On 08/01/2016 05:33 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
Yes lets hear about your thoughts on tor project rysiek
Tell them Rysiek.
ALL Cyber-security measures come with a 'taillight warranty'... expressed AND implied.
Jokes aside Rysiek, your view on the Tor project 'challenges' occurring at the moment would be appreciated if you can spare a moment...
On 08/01/2016 07:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 06:37:21PM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
On 08/01/2016 05:33 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
Yes lets hear about your thoughts on tor project rysiek Tell them Rysiek.
ALL Cyber-security measures come with a 'taillight warranty'... expressed AND implied. Jokes aside Rysiek, your view on the Tor project 'challenges' occurring at the moment would be appreciated if you can spare a moment...
Why do you think I was joking? Rr
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:02:36 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 08/01/2016 07:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 06:37:21PM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
On 08/01/2016 05:33 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
Yes lets hear about your thoughts on tor project rysiek Tell them Rysiek.
ALL Cyber-security measures come with a 'taillight warranty'... expressed AND implied. Jokes aside Rysiek, your view on the Tor project 'challenges' occurring at the moment would be appreciated if you can spare a moment...
Why do you think I was joking?
Is your nickname rysiek?
Rr
On 08/01/2016 08:24 PM, juan wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:02:36 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 08/01/2016 07:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 06:37:21PM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
On 08/01/2016 05:33 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
Yes lets hear about your thoughts on tor project rysiek Tell them Rysiek.
ALL Cyber-security measures come with a 'taillight warranty'... expressed AND implied. Jokes aside Rysiek, your view on the Tor project 'challenges' occurring at the moment would be appreciated if you can spare a moment...
Why do you think I was joking?
Is your nickname rysiek?
Fuck off troll.
Rr
On 08/01/2016 07:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 06:37:21PM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
On 08/01/2016 05:33 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
Yes lets hear about your thoughts on tor project rysiek Tell them Rysiek.
ALL Cyber-security measures come with a 'taillight warranty'... expressed AND implied. Jokes aside Rysiek, your view on the Tor project 'challenges' occurring at the moment would be appreciated if you can spare a moment...
Really! Do you need a technical fucking explanation what "Taillight Warranty" means? It MEANS (in this context) when you're doing something that might collapse a government or on the run for any number of reasons from a global superpower you CANNOT COUNT ON ANYTHING except your own judgment and wits for your survival. Your own fucking mother might sell you out no less torproject's s/w, or anything else. Rr
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:16:32 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 08/01/2016 07:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 06:37:21PM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
On 08/01/2016 05:33 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
Yes lets hear about your thoughts on tor project rysiek Tell them Rysiek.
ALL Cyber-security measures come with a 'taillight warranty'... expressed AND implied. Jokes aside Rysiek, your view on the Tor project 'challenges' occurring at the moment would be appreciated if you can spare a moment...
Really! Do you need a technical fucking explanation what "Taillight Warranty" means?
Boy is RAYZER retarded. Zen's post was addressed to RYSIEK, not you RAYZER. RAYZER, can't you even recognize your own fucking nickname?
It MEANS (in this context) when you're doing something that might collapse a government or on the run for any number of reasons from a global superpower you CANNOT COUNT ON ANYTHING except your own judgment and wits for your survival. Your own fucking mother might sell you out no less torproject's s/w, or anything else.
Rr
On 08/01/2016 08:34 PM, juan wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:16:32 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 08/01/2016 07:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 06:37:21PM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
On 08/01/2016 05:33 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
Yes lets hear about your thoughts on tor project rysiek Tell them Rysiek.
ALL Cyber-security measures come with a 'taillight warranty'... expressed AND implied. Jokes aside Rysiek, your view on the Tor project 'challenges' occurring at the moment would be appreciated if you can spare a moment...
Really! Do you need a technical fucking explanation what "Taillight Warranty" means?
Boy is RAYZER retarded. Zen's post was addressed to RYSIEK, not you RAYZER.
RAYZER, can't you even recognize your own fucking nickname?
Fuck off troll (I'm going to automate this message to avoid wasting my time typing it)
It MEANS (in this context) when you're doing something that might collapse a government or on the run for any number of reasons from a global superpower you CANNOT COUNT ON ANYTHING except your own judgment and wits for your survival. Your own fucking mother might sell you out no less torproject's s/w, or anything else.
Rr
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 08:16:32PM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
On 08/01/2016 07:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 06:37:21PM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
On 08/01/2016 05:33 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
Yes lets hear about your thoughts on tor project rysiek Tell them Rysiek.
ALL Cyber-security measures come with a 'taillight warranty'... expressed AND implied. Jokes aside Rysiek, your view on the Tor project 'challenges' occurring at the moment would be appreciated if you can spare a moment...
Really! Do you need a technical fucking explanation what "Taillight Warranty" means?
It MEANS (in this context) ...
Hey, no drama - I was just asking rysiek his thoughts, if he had a moment, 'tis all. One man's comedy is another man's trolling, and vice versa. It's all good. Enjoy the ride :)
On 8/1/16, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
lines of Bash it has been made simpler. Comments, pull requests, criticism welcome.
It's not posix sh(1) compatible, nor appear need any bashism. there function is (), source is . , == isn't, [[ is deprecated, which is then bash too. Intermixes standard $() and lazy backquotes. Don't tell people to consider running backquotes, because they will ;) http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/sh.html http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/test.html
On August 2, 2016 12:16:13 AM EDT, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/1/16, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
lines of Bash it has been made simpler. Comments, pull requests, criticism welcome.
It's not posix sh(1) compatible, nor appear need any bashism. there function is (), source is . , == isn't, [[ is deprecated, which is then bash too. Intermixes standard $() and lazy backquotes. Don't tell people to consider running backquotes, because they will ;)
In the days of Linux and /bin/sh being a link to bash who needs posix sh(1) compatibility ..? I'm joking of course. Embedded devices don't always have the luxury, and the BSDs still have an actual Bourne shell without all the bashisms (it's picked up a couple but mainly just better keyboard handling). John -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
On 8/2/16, John <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
In the days of Linux and /bin/sh being a link to bash
Would be worse if link was to csh (freebsd curiously use csh but only as default interactive root shell). Both defaults indoctrinate users poorly, at least for forming noninteractive work.
who needs posix sh(1) compatibility ..?
BSDs still have an actual Bourne shell without all the bashisms (it's picked up a couple but mainly just better keyboard handling).
For people serious about shell, cross system, unix, work they likely encounter, and why things are... at least a quick one time through the likes of these is in order... http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/various/ash/ https://www.ict.griffith.edu.au/anthony/info/shell/csh.whynot-1.7.txt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_command_shells http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/sh.html http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/test.html Being Bourne based, Bash isn't a bad interactive choice, so long as stuff people ship is some reasonable least common of ash / posix / bsd. You start putting associative arrays and brace expansion in that shit and some real SA is going well beyond postal on your ass.
On August 2, 2016 5:02:43 AM EDT, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/2/16, John <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
In the days of Linux and /bin/sh being a link to bash
Would be worse if link was to csh (freebsd curiously use csh but only as default interactive root shell). Both defaults indoctrinate users poorly, at least for forming noninteractive work.
csh as default for root is a long holdover from early BSD days... I'm pretty sure they all default to it. No sane person would script in csh or tcsh. John -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 12:16:13AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
It's not posix sh(1) compatible, nor appear need any bashism.
Not related to the original code. Is this SEGV compliant with anything? sendmail is link to procmail. $sendmail -- root a # CTL-D Segmentation fault It breaks at least mutt + procmail for local delivery.
On 8/2/16, Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
Is this SEGV compliant with anything?
lol.
sendmail is link to procmail.
Then it's procmail.
It breaks at least mutt + procmail for local delivery.
Perhaps try among others... http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/ http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA http://www.postfix.org/ https://www.opensmtpd.org/
On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 05:27:52AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
sendmail is link to procmail.
Then it's procmail.
Clearly it is procmail.
It breaks at least mutt + procmail for local delivery.
Perhaps try among others...
http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/ http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA http://www.postfix.org/ https://www.opensmtpd.org/
I am not looking for SMTPD, just for _local delivery_.
Dnia wtorek, 2 sierpnia 2016 00:16:13 CEST grarpamp pisze:
On 8/1/16, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
lines of Bash it has been made simpler. Comments, pull requests, criticism welcome.
It's not posix sh(1) compatible, nor appear need any bashism. there function is (), source is . , == isn't, [[ is deprecated, which is then bash too. Intermixes standard $() and lazy backquotes. Don't tell people to consider running backquotes, because they will ;)
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/sh.html http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/test.html
Yes, this code needs some love, and admittedly POSIX-compatibility was not the focus at the time of writing it. As in it would be a nice-to-have, and if I find time to do it, I will. :) Thanks for pointing this out. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On 08/01/2016 02:36 PM, rysiek wrote:
Hey,
apparently this is the best way to get the trolls and discourse poisoners to come out of the woodwork around here. So hell, why not. Here's some code, have funzies: https://git.occrp.org/libre/metro
No coming out needed. They're just here. So it goes.
tl;dr setting up IPsec is a pain in the arse, so by the power of way too many lines of Bash it has been made simpler. Comments, pull requests, criticism welcome.
I presume that this is a flavor of IPsec that NSA can't pwn. But why do we need IPsec? What's the advantage over OpenVPN?
Dnia wtorek, 2 sierpnia 2016 04:50:53 CEST Mirimir pisze:
tl;dr setting up IPsec is a pain in the arse, so by the power of way too many lines of Bash it has been made simpler. Comments, pull requests, criticism welcome.
I presume that this is a flavor of IPsec that NSA can't pwn.
Hopefully. If anyone has more info, please share!
But why do we need IPsec? What's the advantage over OpenVPN?
I needed an encrypted back-end link between several servers, so that even if any set of them goes down, encrypted comms keep working between all of the rest. OpenVPN felt more like client-server thingy, more slated towards a star topology. IPsec is node-node (at least in this particular usecase). But I might be missing something here, so again, comments welcome. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
comment: you are not addressing your relationship to tor On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 4:20 PM, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Dnia wtorek, 2 sierpnia 2016 04:50:53 CEST Mirimir pisze:
tl;dr setting up IPsec is a pain in the arse, so by the power of way too many lines of Bash it has been made simpler. Comments, pull requests, criticism welcome.
I presume that this is a flavor of IPsec that NSA can't pwn.
Hopefully. If anyone has more info, please share!
But why do we need IPsec? What's the advantage over OpenVPN?
I needed an encrypted back-end link between several servers, so that even if any set of them goes down, encrypted comms keep working between all of the rest.
OpenVPN felt more like client-server thingy, more slated towards a star topology. IPsec is node-node (at least in this particular usecase).
But I might be missing something here, so again, comments welcome.
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On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 03:20:00PM +0200, rysiek wrote:
Dnia wtorek, 2 sierpnia 2016 04:50:53 CEST Mirimir pisze:
tl;dr setting up IPsec is a pain in the arse, so by the power of way too many lines of Bash it has been made simpler. Comments, pull requests, criticism welcome.
I presume that this is a flavor of IPsec that NSA can't pwn.
Hopefully. If anyone has more info, please share!
But why do we need IPsec? What's the advantage over OpenVPN?
I needed an encrypted back-end link between several servers, so that even if any set of them goes down, encrypted comms keep working between all of the rest.
OpenVPN felt more like client-server thingy, more slated towards a star topology. IPsec is node-node (at least in this particular usecase).
That was my impression too - I used openvpn for a year or two some years back. Was always slightly frustrating. Needs another layer for auto configuring or something. I need to check out openswan/ipsec to be able to compare though..
On 08/02/2016 07:20 AM, rysiek wrote:
Dnia wtorek, 2 sierpnia 2016 04:50:53 CEST Mirimir pisze:
tl;dr setting up IPsec is a pain in the arse, so by the power of way too many lines of Bash it has been made simpler. Comments, pull requests, criticism welcome.
I presume that this is a flavor of IPsec that NSA can't pwn.
Hopefully. If anyone has more info, please share!
But why do we need IPsec? What's the advantage over OpenVPN?
I needed an encrypted back-end link between several servers, so that even if any set of them goes down, encrypted comms keep working between all of the rest.
OpenVPN felt more like client-server thingy, more slated towards a star topology. IPsec is node-node (at least in this particular usecase).
But I might be missing something here, so again, comments welcome.
OK, I get it. I've never used IPsec. OpenVPN doesn't do many to many.
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