Revolt Against Tor Over Rape Claims, Process, Board, Etc
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/765933853143859200 8:30 AM - 17 Aug 2016 Tor revolt over rape claims... https://twitter.com/shiromarieke/status/765634647485214720 12:41 PM - 16 Aug 2016 Today I am quitting @torproject I published my letter to tor-internal here: https://shiromarieke.github.io/tor I am not exactly sure how to start this email. To be honest, I never imagined I'd ever be writing this kind of letter to Tor, a project I used to respect a lot and was very excited to contribute to. Having been almost totally silent on Tor-related topics on all public channels for the last months doesn't make it easier for me to talk today.... https://www.oneeyedman.net/?p=2581 Posted on August 16, 2016 by dwrob My Letter To The Tor Project Dear Shari, As you know, police raided my Seattle home in April because I was operating a Tor exit. You and I have planned to discuss Tor’s response... Here are some of the issues that compel my decision... https://contraspin.co.nz/the-weaponising-of-social-part-3-the-resurrection-o... August 16, 2016 The Weaponising Of Social Part 3: The Resurrection Of IOError The genesis of this groundbreaking series was a moral obligation to highlight obvious discrepancies in the coordinated smears against Jacob Appelbaum (IOError). That smear campaign’s self-pronounced and ostensibly achieved aim was to permanently shut down his (anti-surveillance, anti-three-letter-agency) public speaking by casting him out from the very communities he has dedicated his life to supporting. Implemented, that aim had very little to do with protecting actual rape victims but everything to do with manipulating (by asserting social control over) the speaking circuit which is the visible face of the privacy and infosec movements, as well as dominating the critical infrastructure and the corporate structure (at board level) of the Tor Project... http://rixstep.com/2/2/20160817,00.shtml http://rixstep.com/2/2/20160717,00.shtml 2016-08-17 Tor 6.0.4 Happenstance, coincidence, enemy action? Not that there's necessarily any connection to Jakegate (it can't be ruled out either) but the latest updates of Tor have been a frightening mess. Why does Tor suddenly dump over 30 megabloats of steaming faeces onto a file system on exit... "I know other people at Tor and in the broader community have similar feelings, and I hope this will encourage them to speak up." -- shiromarieke
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/042032.html Fri Aug 19 11:34:54 UTC 2016 thread Shutting down my tor relay Stephan Seitz <stse+tor@fsing.rootsland.net> The situation how the affair about Jake was handled by the Tor project has made me feel very uneasy. After digging through several material (for example https://shiromarieke.github.io/tor) I find that I am no longer believing in this project or trust it. That’s why I’m shutting down my tor relay fsingtor now. As long as the project stays that way it is I will no longer recommend Tor or support it in any ways. And I don’t think that such a project should have any future.
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 06:23:12AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/042032.html Fri Aug 19 11:34:54 UTC 2016 thread Shutting down my tor relay Stephan Seitz <stse+tor@fsing.rootsland.net>
Did Tor decide to piss off and disconnect the honest relay operators (or as much of them as possible) while keeping the luser cattle? AFAIK the onion anonymity highly depends on the honesty of the relays in the "circuit" (or whatever they call it, never mind). This way all relays will be spooks', while now only most of them are.
On 08/20/2016 04:02 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 06:23:12AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/042032.html Fri Aug 19 11:34:54 UTC 2016 thread Shutting down my tor relay Stephan Seitz <stse+tor@fsing.rootsland.net>
Did Tor decide to piss off and disconnect the honest relay operators (or as much of them as possible) while keeping the luser cattle?
AFAIK the onion anonymity highly depends on the honesty of the relays in the "circuit" (or whatever they call it, never mind).
This way all relays will be spooks', while now only most of them are.
Kind of what it looks like. I was busi]y watching the 'culture clash' between 'the suits', and what I affectionately call the 'bone in the nose and earlobe hole' crowd. That's part of the process. Ejecting or forcing out the alts and 'outlaws'. Rr
On 08/20/2016 08:54 AM, Razer wrote:
On 08/20/2016 04:02 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 06:23:12AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/042032.html Fri Aug 19 11:34:54 UTC 2016 thread Shutting down my tor relay Stephan Seitz <stse+tor@fsing.rootsland.net>
Did Tor decide to piss off and disconnect the honest relay operators (or as much of them as possible) while keeping the luser cattle?
AFAIK the onion anonymity highly depends on the honesty of the relays in the "circuit" (or whatever they call it, never mind).
This way all relays will be spooks', while now only most of them are.
Kind of what it looks like. I was busi]y watching the 'culture clash' between 'the suits', and what I affectionately call the 'bone in the nose and earlobe hole' crowd. That's part of the process. Ejecting or forcing out the alts and 'outlaws'.
So you think that Andrea will eventually get lynched?
On 08/20/2016 03:09 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 08/20/2016 08:54 AM, Razer wrote:
On 08/20/2016 04:02 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 06:23:12AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/042032.html Fri Aug 19 11:34:54 UTC 2016 thread Shutting down my tor relay Stephan Seitz <stse+tor@fsing.rootsland.net>
Did Tor decide to piss off and disconnect the honest relay operators (or as much of them as possible) while keeping the luser cattle?
AFAIK the onion anonymity highly depends on the honesty of the relays in the "circuit" (or whatever they call it, never mind).
This way all relays will be spooks', while now only most of them are.
Kind of what it looks like. I was busi]y watching the 'culture clash' between 'the suits', and what I affectionately call the 'bone in the nose and earlobe hole' crowd. That's part of the process. Ejecting or forcing out the alts and 'outlaws'.
So you think that Andrea will eventually get lynched?
I don't know any of the players in this Sadomasochistic organizational implosion (I'm not a torproject sock puppet as Juan's deluded rants state). I've just seen this clash of cultures and the backbiting and (as we can see) literal slander before somewhere. For some reason it seems particularly well-planned out when one culture is the government, and money, and the other culture's ethics 'revolt'(snigger) at those things being primary. Rr
On 08/20/2016 07:27 PM, Razer wrote:
On 08/20/2016 03:09 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 08/20/2016 08:54 AM, Razer wrote:
On 08/20/2016 04:02 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 06:23:12AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/042032.html Fri Aug 19 11:34:54 UTC 2016 thread Shutting down my tor relay Stephan Seitz <stse+tor@fsing.rootsland.net>
Did Tor decide to piss off and disconnect the honest relay operators (or as much of them as possible) while keeping the luser cattle?
AFAIK the onion anonymity highly depends on the honesty of the relays in the "circuit" (or whatever they call it, never mind).
This way all relays will be spooks', while now only most of them are.
Kind of what it looks like. I was busi]y watching the 'culture clash' between 'the suits', and what I affectionately call the 'bone in the nose and earlobe hole' crowd. That's part of the process. Ejecting or forcing out the alts and 'outlaws'.
So you think that Andrea will eventually get lynched?
I don't know any of the players in this Sadomasochistic organizational implosion (I'm not a torproject sock puppet as Juan's deluded rants state). I've just seen this clash of cultures and the backbiting and (as we can see) literal slander before somewhere.
My point is that you haven't characterized the players accurately.
For some reason it seems particularly well-planned out when one culture is the government, and money, and the other culture's ethics 'revolt'(snigger) at those things being primary.
It's not that simple. I'd say that there are at least five cultures: 1) spooks; 2) suits; 3) SJWs; 4) classic geeks; 5) SJW geeks. It's a cluster-fuck.
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:42:07 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
It's not that simple. I'd say that there are at least five cultures: 1) spooks; 2) suits; 3) SJWs; 4) classic geeks; 5) SJW geeks. It's a cluster-fuck.
You could check tor-talk archives, but if I recall correctly, scumbag supreme syverson bragged about the project somehow causing people who hated each other to 'cooperate'. He of course didn't explain exactly how that happened because explaining would have meant admiting that his project is nothing but a bunch of highly corrupt assholes motivated by both greed and sick political 'ideals' (US supremacy), while pretending to be galant champions of 'free speech' - yep, the same fucks who have totalitarian control over reddit, blogs and mailing lists are the 'anarchist' saviours of the 'free speech' world. Funny how people are pissed off at that stupid cunt steele while 'forgetting' the mastermind behind her, syverson.
On 08/20/2016 09:11 PM, juan wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:42:07 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
It's not that simple. I'd say that there are at least five cultures: 1) spooks; 2) suits; 3) SJWs; 4) classic geeks; 5) SJW geeks. It's a cluster-fuck.
You could check tor-talk archives, but if I recall correctly, scumbag supreme syverson bragged about the project somehow causing people who hated each other to 'cooperate'.
You're mixing levels. The "causing people who hated each other to 'cooperate'" argument applies to the Tor network. This is a cluster-fuck at the social level. Nothing stops Appelbaum or anyone else from running relays, or otherwise participating in the network. At least, as long as they hide their identities as needed.
He of course didn't explain exactly how that happened because explaining would have meant admiting that his project is nothing but a bunch of highly corrupt assholes motivated by both greed and sick political 'ideals' (US supremacy), while pretending to be galant champions of 'free speech' - yep, the same fucks who have totalitarian control over reddit, blogs and mailing lists are the 'anarchist' saviours of the 'free speech' world.
Maybe you're right :(
Funny how people are pissed off at that stupid cunt steele while 'forgetting' the mastermind behind her, syverson.
I have no clue what role he currently plays in the organization. He's more of an academic, I think.
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 21:45:52 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 08/20/2016 09:11 PM, juan wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:42:07 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
It's not that simple. I'd say that there are at least five cultures: 1) spooks; 2) suits; 3) SJWs; 4) classic geeks; 5) SJW geeks. It's a cluster-fuck.
You could check tor-talk archives, but if I recall correctly, scumbag supreme syverson bragged about the project somehow causing people who hated each other to 'cooperate'.
You're mixing levels. The "causing people who hated each other to 'cooperate'" argument applies to the Tor network. This is a cluster-fuck at the social level.
Yes, and I'm sure he was talking about 'his' 'coders' and the like, not relays and relay operators. But I might double check later...
Nothing stops Appelbaum or anyone else from running relays, or otherwise participating in the network. At least, as long as they hide their identities as needed.
Funny how people are pissed off at that stupid cunt steele while 'forgetting' the mastermind behind her, syverson.
I have no clue what role he currently plays in the organization. He's more of an academic, I think.
He's the leading military psycho, syverson@bla.bla.MIL the addresses of 'academics' are in the TLD .edu, not .mil, you know...
It's not that simple. I'd say that there are at least five cultures: 1) spooks; 2) suits; 3) SJWs; 4) classic geeks; 5) SJW geeks. It's a cluster-fuck.
the addresses of 'academics' are in the TLD .edu, not .mil, you know...
Lol. This holds true, but only in the first layer of the deepweb ;)
On 08/20/2016 10:44 PM, juan wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 21:45:52 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 08/20/2016 09:11 PM, juan wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:42:07 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
It's not that simple. I'd say that there are at least five cultures: 1) spooks; 2) suits; 3) SJWs; 4) classic geeks; 5) SJW geeks. It's a cluster-fuck.
You could check tor-talk archives, but if I recall correctly, scumbag supreme syverson bragged about the project somehow causing people who hated each other to 'cooperate'.
You're mixing levels. The "causing people who hated each other to 'cooperate'" argument applies to the Tor network. This is a cluster-fuck at the social level.
Yes, and I'm sure he was talking about 'his' 'coders' and the like, not relays and relay operators. But I might double check later...
He was talking about relays and relay operators.
Nothing stops Appelbaum or anyone else from running relays, or otherwise participating in the network. At least, as long as they hide their identities as needed.
Funny how people are pissed off at that stupid cunt steele while 'forgetting' the mastermind behind her, syverson.
I have no clue what role he currently plays in the organization. He's more of an academic, I think.
He's the leading military psycho, syverson@bla.bla.MIL
the addresses of 'academics' are in the TLD .edu, not .mil, you know...
So you'd trust him if he had an .edu address? But not princeton.edu surely ;)
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 23:10:49 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
the addresses of 'academics' are in the TLD .edu, not .mil, you know...
So you'd trust him if he had an .edu address?
Trust is pretty much a meaningless word. What matters is facts. I know for a fact that these people are US military contractors. And they are loyal to their paymasters. That's all that matters. And their decoys, the shitbags who pretend to be 'progressive' social 'justice' 'anarchists' can only affect the judgement of careless people. So, tell me again the fairy tale of the poor 'anti capitalists' who get 100K per year as pentagon spokepersons.
But not princeton.edu surely ;)
On 08/20/2016 07:42 PM, Mirimir wrote:
My point is that you haven't characterized the players accurately.
Ok then... Characterize them. I assume most of the outcasts and mutineers are NOT 'suits', or government affiliated. (Albeit there may be infiltration occurring in the ranks of the disaffected... because it's quite easy to act disaffected,. Sort of like it's easy to learn the Marxist dialectic and infiltrate a Marxist organization... Which is Why counterculture groups fared better in the infiltration department during Vietnam anti-war activities too... "Here (cop) take this LSD...") But I digress... Characterize them Rr
On 08/20/2016 07:27 PM, Razer wrote:
On 08/20/2016 03:09 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 08/20/2016 08:54 AM, Razer wrote:
On 08/20/2016 04:02 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 06:23:12AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/042032.html Fri Aug 19 11:34:54 UTC 2016 thread Shutting down my tor relay Stephan Seitz <stse+tor@fsing.rootsland.net>
Did Tor decide to piss off and disconnect the honest relay operators (or as much of them as possible) while keeping the luser cattle?
AFAIK the onion anonymity highly depends on the honesty of the relays in the "circuit" (or whatever they call it, never mind).
This way all relays will be spooks', while now only most of them are.
Kind of what it looks like. I was busi]y watching the 'culture clash' between 'the suits', and what I affectionately call the 'bone in the nose and earlobe hole' crowd. That's part of the process. Ejecting or forcing out the alts and 'outlaws'.
So you think that Andrea will eventually get lynched?
I don't know any of the players in this Sadomasochistic organizational implosion (I'm not a torproject sock puppet as Juan's deluded rants state). I've just seen this clash of cultures and the backbiting and (as we can see) literal slander before somewhere.
My point is that you haven't characterized the players accurately.
For some reason it seems particularly well-planned out when one culture is the government, and money, and the other culture's ethics 'revolt'(snigger) at those things being primary.
It's not that simple. I'd say that there are at least five cultures: 1) spooks; 2) suits; 3) SJWs; 4) classic geeks; 5) SJW geeks. It's a cluster-fuck.
On 08/20/2016 09:20 PM, Razer wrote:
On 08/20/2016 07:42 PM, Mirimir wrote:
My point is that you haven't characterized the players accurately.
Ok then... Characterize them. I assume most of the outcasts and mutineers are NOT 'suits', or government affiliated.
But maybe that's just what they want us to think ;) And maybe there's conflict among government-affiliated factions. DOS vs NSA vs CIA vs FBI etc.
(Albeit there may be infiltration occurring in the ranks of the disaffected... because it's quite easy to act disaffected,. Sort of like it's easy to learn the Marxist dialectic and infiltrate a Marxist organization... Which is Why counterculture groups fared better in the infiltration department during Vietnam anti-war activities too... "Here (cop) take this LSD...")
Maybe acid is part of high-level CIA training ;)
But I digress... Characterize them
Hopeless :(
Rr
On 08/20/2016 07:27 PM, Razer wrote:
On 08/20/2016 03:09 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 08/20/2016 08:54 AM, Razer wrote:
On 08/20/2016 04:02 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 06:23:12AM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/042032.html > Fri Aug 19 11:34:54 UTC 2016 > thread > Shutting down my tor relay > Stephan Seitz <stse+tor@fsing.rootsland.net>
Did Tor decide to piss off and disconnect the honest relay operators (or as much of them as possible) while keeping the luser cattle?
AFAIK the onion anonymity highly depends on the honesty of the relays in the "circuit" (or whatever they call it, never mind).
This way all relays will be spooks', while now only most of them are.
Kind of what it looks like. I was busi]y watching the 'culture clash' between 'the suits', and what I affectionately call the 'bone in the nose and earlobe hole' crowd. That's part of the process. Ejecting or forcing out the alts and 'outlaws'.
So you think that Andrea will eventually get lynched?
I don't know any of the players in this Sadomasochistic organizational implosion (I'm not a torproject sock puppet as Juan's deluded rants state). I've just seen this clash of cultures and the backbiting and (as we can see) literal slander before somewhere.
My point is that you haven't characterized the players accurately.
For some reason it seems particularly well-planned out when one culture is the government, and money, and the other culture's ethics 'revolt'(snigger) at those things being primary.
It's not that simple. I'd say that there are at least five cultures: 1) spooks; 2) suits; 3) SJWs; 4) classic geeks; 5) SJW geeks. It's a cluster-fuck.
On 8/21/16, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
But maybe that's just what they want us to think ;) And maybe there's conflict among [various] factions. This is a cluster-fuck at [many] level[s].
These sorts of meltdowns are often necessary, useful, oppurtunistic, informative, expected, refactoring, infiltrating, realigning, and normal process, among other words, made more interesting when the players and stakes are as they are... global actors, money, privacy, crypto, secrets, corporations, governments, sex, and so on. Until it settles out you never know how long it'll last or how deep it'll go. This is just the popcorn stage, For all we know the newspaper stage may be yet to come. Enjoy the show.
Reply to self to mask an anon who didn't write to list.
Anyone ever scroll down to the bottom of the #torstrike hashtag? I did. It was none other than Andrea from Tor Inc. https://twitter.com/jmprcx/status/767466915765903360
That was the first use I *happened* to see, doesn't mean it *was* the first (since apparently tweets are deleteable [1]), or that it implies authorship / responsibility. More interesting to me as observer is that attempting to co-opt hashes, complete with new slogans and memes, seems rather unethical and false upon the user / reader, a bit shameful perhaps. Why not try to beat the opposing view with your own hash. If you can't, well, what have you got then. But at least you're not fading yourself with a co-opt. Other than noting larger trends, that space is not for me, others can surely analyze it all far better than I. [1] One of the reasons there should be simple logging tools available for journalists to watch the dynamics of whatever situation in the world as it happens, and feedback pertinent deleted facts.
Oh! There it is... I'd say that there are at least five cultures: 1) spooks; 2) suits; 3) SJWs; 4) classic geeks; 5) SJW geeks. It's a cluster-fuck. I see that as as Suits and Spooks as one, All SJWs as one, Classic geeks (suit affiliated but perhaps persuadable towards SJW sympathy depending on their Psychopathic inventory and whether the SJWs 'put out' easier.) That's two with a "swing(er) vote". Rr On 08/20/2016 07:42 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 08/20/2016 07:27 PM, Razer wrote:
On 08/20/2016 03:09 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 08/20/2016 08:54 AM, Razer wrote:
On 08/20/2016 04:02 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 06:23:12AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/042032.html Fri Aug 19 11:34:54 UTC 2016 thread Shutting down my tor relay Stephan Seitz <stse+tor@fsing.rootsland.net>
Did Tor decide to piss off and disconnect the honest relay operators (or as much of them as possible) while keeping the luser cattle?
AFAIK the onion anonymity highly depends on the honesty of the relays in the "circuit" (or whatever they call it, never mind).
This way all relays will be spooks', while now only most of them are.
Kind of what it looks like. I was busi]y watching the 'culture clash' between 'the suits', and what I affectionately call the 'bone in the nose and earlobe hole' crowd. That's part of the process. Ejecting or forcing out the alts and 'outlaws'.
So you think that Andrea will eventually get lynched?
I don't know any of the players in this Sadomasochistic organizational implosion (I'm not a torproject sock puppet as Juan's deluded rants state). I've just seen this clash of cultures and the backbiting and (as we can see) literal slander before somewhere.
My point is that you haven't characterized the players accurately.
For some reason it seems particularly well-planned out when one culture is the government, and money, and the other culture's ethics 'revolt'(snigger) at those things being primary.
It's not that simple. I'd say that there are at least five cultures: 1) spooks; 2) suits; 3) SJWs; 4) classic geeks; 5) SJW geeks. It's a cluster-fuck.
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 02:02:22PM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 06:23:12AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/042032.html Fri Aug 19 11:34:54 UTC 2016 thread Shutting down my tor relay Stephan Seitz <stse+tor@fsing.rootsland.net>
Did Tor decide to piss off and disconnect the honest relay operators (or
The principled ones. In leaked chats etc, they (Tor Inc honchos) keep focussing on "how to protect the image" and "can we employ this CIA guy without creating a problem for our reputation". It reaks of "we don't give a damn about the principles wee proclaim on our website, Now when volunteers say "enough's enough, I cannot trust you guys, I thought I could, I'm stopping running my relay", they are getting blasted - slapped in the face with their own conscience e.g. "how could you! You are choosing to put peoples lives at risk!" - check it out, "moral/ emotional blackmail" for want of a term, perhaps "conscience blackmail" - that only works when the listener is weak, but they keep trying it on anyway. That's what sociopath's do - try very hard to hold us to our higher standard, while they race around fucking everyone over, hoping we don't see the trick they are using. We go through angst, heartache and distress over the fallout, the wrongs, the failures, while they try to abuse us with this very conscience that causes us our pain. It is evil what they try to do. Even my gentle reply ("you're slapping a --volunteer-- in the face") has been censored! Just check that photo of Shari (-ah law) Steele - she's one tough and angry looking human, and not in a good way - free of empathy, tons of ambition and a very harsh approach from what we are seeing. The failures and outright offensive sequencesing of events surrounding her "Tor Social Contract" speak very loudly. Juan was right.
as much of them as possible) while keeping the luser cattle?
AFAIK the onion anonymity highly depends on the honesty of the relays in the "circuit" (or whatever they call it, never mind).
This way all relays will be spooks', while now only most of them are.
Indeed.
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 14:02:22 +0300 Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 06:23:12AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/042032.html Fri Aug 19 11:34:54 UTC 2016 thread Shutting down my tor relay Stephan Seitz <stse+tor@fsing.rootsland.net>
Did Tor decide to piss off and disconnect the honest relay operators (or as much of them as possible) while keeping the luser cattle?
Sounds like something they would do...
AFAIK the onion anonymity highly depends on the honesty of the relays in the "circuit" (or whatever they call it, never mind).
This way all relays will be spooks', while now only most of them are.
I ran a relay off and on for a long while on a freebsd server, as I've mentioned... i never considered it a big deal, but I've shut it down. I may start it up every now and then for a few hours if I'm playing with something on the box in question and want to fuck with something using torsocks or something similar. John On August 20, 2016 6:23:12 AM EDT, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/042032.html Fri Aug 19 11:34:54 UTC 2016 thread Shutting down my tor relay Stephan Seitz <stse+tor@fsing.rootsland.net> The situation how the affair about Jake was handled by the Tor project has made me feel very uneasy. After digging through several material (for example https://shiromarieke.github.io/tor) I find that I am no longer believing in this project or trust it. That’s why I’m shutting down my tor relay fsingtor now. As long as the project stays that way it is I will no longer recommend Tor or support it in any ways. And I don’t think that such a project should have any future.
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
#torstrike calls for global sit in on September 1 https://ghostbin.com/paste/kmnzz Tor General Strike #torstrike Please join our 24-hour Tor blackout on Thursday, September 1st 2016. Use your local time or UTC+02:00. Tor Users: ... Tor Workers: ... Get The Word Out: ... Rationale: Tor can no longer be trusted after #jakegate / #torgate and hire of CIA. Its sinking credibility is putting people at risk. We hope it can be healed and regain trust with mass action. Demands: Restoring Trust re: 2016 Misconduct - ... Restoring Trust re: Infiltration - ...
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/nmq259 @blumo0n posits more questions 20th Aug 2016 from TweetCaster Yes, it was I who originally dug up & reposted that article during Nov 14 to evidence of the double standard of stalker & rape allegations while integrating/celebrating sexual promiscuity in context of public/USG contractor profiles. There is a great deal more I will eventually write, but hopefully specific to the comments from you all...
https://twitter.com/hashtag/torstrike?src=hash https://twitter.com/hashtag/torgate?src=hash https://twitter.com/hashtag/jakegate?src=hash https://twitter.com/hashtag/ioerror?src=hash So can there be links to fine tools for spider and archive[1] @handle OP's / hashtag asserts and their resultant comment threads via twitter API? I don't relish coding yet another tool that someone probably already did so long as it's useful. [1] plaintext, with links expanded, images stashed, dates / addressee / hashtag metadata preserved, etc
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 02:53:38 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/torstrike?src=hash https://twitter.com/hashtag/torgate?src=hash https://twitter.com/hashtag/jakegate?src=hash https://twitter.com/hashtag/ioerror?src=hash
One sensible comment in all that shitter bullshit after years belittling critics of #Tor's funding "because it's pure math," fans now say Tor is "compromised" because of #Torgate a decade of documented funding history is far more relevant to a project's structure than one employee who mostly did PR David Golumbia
Ryan Lackey rdl @octal 9h9 hours ago Just when I thought the Tor drama couldn't get even more pathetic: #torstrike (original). It is like honeytrap for lameness. *** However, I think some kind of anonymity overlay network is essential, but Tor in specific, and onion architectures in general, are doomed. But if Tor now exists to trap lameness on both sides and keep the rest of the cypherpunk anonymity tool space clear, that is probably useful *** Summary emphasis not in original.
On 08/21/2016 07:48 PM, grarpamp wrote:
Ryan Lackey rdl @octal 9h9 hours ago Just when I thought the Tor drama couldn't get even more pathetic: #torstrike (original). It is like honeytrap for lameness. *** However, I think some kind of anonymity overlay network is essential, but Tor in specific, and onion architectures in general, are doomed. But if Tor now exists to trap lameness on both sides and keep the rest of the cypherpunk anonymity tool space clear, that is probably useful ***
Summary emphasis not in original.
One of the ops I'm in convo with on twitter (DMs) Me: "Two big complaints I see in re Tor is lack of further development like Chaff packets an Mixing etc and the fact that many of the entrance and exit nodes seem to be controlled by govt types The former ameliorates but doesn't entirely eliminate the latter issue which is unavoidable My take is anyone stifling the development of further obfuscation techniques is suspect" The other: "Yes. That was the point of the internal critique that Jacob and a few others were pursuing. Too much attention on improving the user experience for a flawed set of protocols." Me: "Jake was taxing them about flawed protocol? Really!" The other: "No, no directly - he was saying that protocol hardening is what as needed, but the USG funders want browser improvements. UX over substance. Rr
Razer:
Me: "Jake was taxing them about flawed protocol? Really!"
The other: "No, no directly - he was saying that protocol hardening is what as needed, but the USG funders want browser improvements. UX over substance.
22:30 < mikeperry> I have no doubt that the CIA would find Tor useful, and its funding would not comrpromise us, but as I said then, the optics would be so bad that the et improvement to Tor from such funding would not be worth the bad PR 22:31 < ioerror> mikeperry: Funding does compromise us 22:31 < ioerror> I am clear on that now. 22:31 < ioerror> Tor is compromised. 22:31 < ioerror> When we are paid to work on a browser rather than anonymity improvements of Tor HS, we are co-opted 22:31 < ioerror> It is a faustian pact 22:32 < ioerror> When we set the road map and found funders to fund us, it was different 22:32 < ioerror> we haven't done that for a long time 22:32 < ioerror> The money has corrupted us 22:32 < ioerror> And now, we're hoping for influence Full chat log: https://archive.is/2geXW
On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 01:28:27AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
https://contraspin.co.nz/the-weaponising-of-social-part-3-the-resurrection-o... August 16, 2016 The Weaponising Of Social Part 3: The Resurrection Of IOError ...
(Anyone who has yet to read this part 3 article above, recommended of course :) grarpamp, this email of yours to which I reply appears on the tor-talk archives, which is good, but also my response to the "why wikileaks" email seems to have ended up in the archives: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/042027.html (This is from tor-talk archive thread index for August: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-August/thread.html ) Good if that one made it through, odd if it didn't actually make it through, but did make it through to the archives. Can someone confirm if they received that email outside of the cypherpunks CC? (I cannot find a copy in my duplicates folder, and it landed in cp folder, so perhaps google (my email is still unfortunately routed through gmail) removes duplicates of emails when it comes from two different mailing lists?) Thanks Zenaan
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