On 07/23/2016 10:35 PM, Александр wrote: <SNIP>

Thank you, Rayzer! It's extremely important to purify the True Islamic Religion/Quran from all the garbage the western fuckers/crazy extremists have put on it.

Except for the religious bullshit, it's not far off anarchocapitalism.

On 07/23/2016 11:20 PM, Rayzer wrote:

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On 07/23/2016 10:35 PM, Александр wrote:

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Thank you, Rayzer! It's extremely important to purify the True Islamic Religion/Quran from all the garbage the western fuckers/crazy extremists have put on it. Except for the religious bullshit, it's not far off anarchocapitalism.

Like Christianity... It doesn't HAVE TO be capitalist but note point 5. "It is forbidden in Islam to ignore the reality of contemporary times..." Contemporary times is Crapitalist times, and organized religions, for better or worse, will go with that flow.

I think that there's market-based stuff in Islam that predates Western capitalism. There's also a lot that anticipates socialism. Building on Christianity. I sometimes wonder where we'd be if Islam had gone global before Christianity did.

As little as I like organized religions they ARE a vehicle for moving masses of people in a given direction. Too bad psychopaths take over just as surely as they take over corporations and any other organizational structure.

Yes, too bad :(

How's the situation in Turkey? On Jul 24, 2016 2:01 PM, "Bastiani Fortress" wrote:

Islam forbids interest (interest as an economy term), and a bank in turkey has been taking interest in such a complicated way (i don't know how, exactly) that it claims they do not take interest and is halal to attract fundematalist clients :D Islam in many ways does resemble socialism, but it's still total bullshit in many other ways. (i say this as an atheist, living in turkey btw)

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Islamic Religion/Quran from all the garbage the western fuckers/crazy extremists have put on it.

Except for the religious bullshit, it's not far off anarchocapitalism.

Like Christianity... It doesn't HAVE TO be capitalist but note point 5. "It is forbidden in Islam to ignore the reality of contemporary times..." Contemporary times is Crapitalist times, and organized religions, for better or worse, will go with that flow.

I think that there's market-based stuff in Islam that predates Western capitalism. There's also a lot that anticipates socialism. Building on Christianity. I sometimes wonder where we'd be if Islam had gone global before Christianity did.

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moving masses of people in a given direction. Too bad psychopaths take over just as surely as they take over corporations and any other organizational structure.

Yes, too bad :(

-- You’re not from the Castle, you’re not from the village, you are nothing. Unfortunately, though, you are something, a stranger.

On Jul 24, 2016 7:01 PM, "Bastiani Fortress" wrote:

We even fear to make jokes in whatsapp, rumor has it that policemen ask

to see your phone too when they do a routine check at the city center. Please, consider using Signal or Telegram instead whatsapp. I will test Wire this week for fun. They are not totally secure apps, but certainly are a bit better than whatsapp. I am a fan of Durov brothers' work, but I am still waiting for an answer about this security fail for curiosity: https://twitter.com/telegram_macos/status/756989757801005057?p=v I don't know about migration to Europe as you asked in another thread, but if the things become worst in Ankara, maybe could you consider to know Brazil in person? I am not interesting, but my neighbour is the always charming Juan! :P I always say things like "Thank God I am Atheist!", but I sincerely try to respect people's faith and, even considering God's existence very uncertain, I always ask to God protect my loved ones. It isn't a logical thing, but I feel more comfortable because I know I can't protect my family and my friends in all the moments. Hope God, if exists, can love and feel compassion for every single person in this crazy world. I have Muslim friends and I was very frustrated yesterday because I've found a Brazilian Telegram group saying awful, disgusting things about the Islamism. All the religions are about love. There are crazy radical people in all the religions and being a Christian doesn't mean anything. It was very disgusting seeing so many people using Jesus and the Bible as excuses to offend and to attack other persons, aff... :(( Take care, my dear! Warm straight hugs and my best wishes of inner peace and hope! Be strong! :* Ceci

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 19:53:38 +0200 Bastiani Fortress wrote:

Islam in many ways does resemble socialism, but it's still total bullshit in many other ways.

As if socialism wasn't total bullshit, ha ha ha.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 23:59:32 +0200 Bastiani Fortress wrote:

oh come on :)

--- You’re not from the Castle, you’re not from the village, you are nothing. Unfortunately, though, you are something, a stranger.

I was about to ask if that was a turkish saying, but after searching, I see it's a quote from kafka. Unsurprisingly, the meaning isn't too clear =P But yeah, I am a stranger, and also a 'citizen of the world'?

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:45:16 +0200 Bastiani Fortress wrote:

That wasn't intended for you, it's just my signature btw :D

Ahaha! Now I look pretty retarded =) - Or some would say, I've revealed my true self...

The castle of kafka and the tartar steppe of buzzati (bastiani fortress is a reference to the tartar steppe) are among my favorite novels.

I didn't know buzzati - italian - looks interesting. I might try to read something.

Tendency in this group is towards anarchism, rather than socialism i guess?

Well, that's the case as far as I'm concerned. Socialism may be OK as long it's practised between consenting persons - but it's not my cup of tea... As to the group's party line...there probably are different opinions =P, although I'd expect a sizable amount of cpunks to be free-market anarchists... J.

France, possibly, begins to wake up on this one: France opens up its eyes to Salafism, rethinks counterterrorism https://www.rt.com/op-edge/352975-salafism-france-terror-muslims/ " Could it be that France has just blown the whistle on Salafism, and finally anchored its counter-terrorism narrative against not Islam, but the devolution which has worked to hijack its Scriptures and redact its principles? "

2016-07-26 11:26 GMT+03:00 Zenaan Harkness :

Is “Western Christian” Europe backsliding and reverting to her old ways?

backsliding?! Oh, you are an optimist, Zen! They never "slided" away from the bloody path of parasitizing/killing others in the benefit of themselves. In Europe and the US - there are no old days or new days - there are eternal "PRESENT DAYS" of oppression and mass murders over the weaker countries.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 08:42:44AM -0400, John Newman wrote:

You should check out the When Gravity Falls trilogy by George Effinger, classic cyberpunk written in the late 80s...

Correction: book is called "When Gravity Fails" -- John

On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:05:03 -0600 Mirimir wrote:

On 07/23/2016 10:35 PM, Александр wrote:

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Thank you, Rayzer! It's extremely important to purify the True Islamic Religion/Quran from all the garbage the western fuckers/crazy extremists have put on it.

Except for the religious bullshit, it's not far off anarchocapitalism.

If you take the religious bullshit out of sick jokes like kkkristianity, jewism and islam, what's left, exactly? I daresay, nothing. As to 'anarchocapitalism' having anything to do with islam or similar criminal organizations, well that doesn't speak too well of 'anarchocapitalism' does it.