Re: cypherpunks Digest, Vol 24, Issue 6
Oh, no denying the over-generalizing of my usage of "Society", but the point is plain, and valid. We have a method of laws (aka Society - not only regarding it's application of Power) which we live under. If raising a Child means empowering/guiding that person to have a healthy understanding of Themselves, Others, Institutions, etc, one must provide an example - as Guide. RE: Native Peoples, yes, they did the same thing. My child [5] can safely walk to the park and back in the over-urbanized environment we live because we've provided him the space to learn how to do so; neighbourhood walks, back-woods treks, etc. Would I trust him to be okay going to the city-core? Neither would a Native People have let their child go on a similarly arduous trek. The scale/surroundings are different, the means and ends are the same: Teach Independence while providing a reasonably sheltered environment to learn that Independence. By providing Supervision on his learning, he did so. The State/Parents do not need to squash all his attempts, nor can Parents/State be divorced from his efforts. Do we laws dictating "Child shall be no more than x feet from home unattended" ... clearly not, perhaps cases such as the Free Range Parenting will spur the creation of those laws from the pro-Nanny crowd. That is my usage of "Society" - more narrow than the put-upon extrapolations of the gallery; which were perhaps teased out by my over generalized usage earlier ... but, hey, what's Intertube proselytizing with out some trolling.
If an individual fails to adhere to guidelines of their Society,
they are punished. That is what Society is for.
This was not irony. Yes?
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2015-06-04 0:39 GMT+09:00 Softy <softservant@gmail.com>:
Do we laws dictating "Child shall be no more than x feet from home unattended"
I don't know about you, but I was imprisoned until I was about 16. At 16 I trained to perform some arbitrary tests, one of which involved repeating lies, and another working knowledge of proprietary tools (further cementing their monopoly and encouraging my dependence). Most people feel jealousy and even rage at how easy I managed to complete the arbitrary tests (did foreign, easier tests, that were also accepted due to European regulations). I don't give an honest fuck that I was allowed outside of prison for a few hours a day (most of which were supposed to be filled with out-prison-labor). I feel a significant amount of disgust for anyone that thinks they're superior enough to know what's good for others to such an extend as to force them. Just because the goalers say it's for your own good doesn't make it good! And lastly, it is not justice to make me suffer because some people's parents suck at parenting. More recently I've had such issues with visa's and family law that I'm very positive that justice is dead. Old people make laws suck for young people, what do they care? And the more society develops, the older the young will be. Until such a point that the realization will be had that we remain children; we learn and develop, and we are not ready for the world.
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Lodewijk andré de la porte <l@odewijk.nl> wrote:
Old people make laws suck for young people,
Old puppetmasters suck. Old people filling parliaments make sucky laws. Law enforcers enforce suckily. Laws basically suck. As does society. Whatever.
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