We cannot support a world population of billions without large amounts of energy. Green energy projects invariably mean less energy, which invariably shuts down people's lifestyles. People want to continue traveling around, hence the riots in Chile. If warmists believed a word of their own bullshit, the money received for carbon offset credits would be spent on actually offsetting carbon emissions, for example by pulverizing olivine rocks and dumping them in the shallow ocean, stimulating the natural process where by calcium silicates get converted into silica and calcium carbonate. Instead carbon credits money is spent on jetsetting around the world to pontificate on global warming. If warmists believed a word of their own bullshit, green energy projects would produce useful energy, instead of superior holiness. What green energy projects produce is shakedowns of the power grid. You get higher energy prices, and frequently get blackouts and brownouts. We could in fact produce the required energy without carbon emissions either using nuclear power, or by mining olivine to offset the carbon emitted by burning coal or oil, but the warmists have shown zero interest in actually producing energy without emitting net carbon. That green energy projects never actually work shows that warmists do not in fact believe what they purport to believe. Some of them want to murder billions of people, some of them want to seize the means of production, and most of them want to shake down the energy grid. Revealed preference is that actually reducing CO2 emissions is mighty low on their list of priorities - or at least reducing CO2 emissions in ways that do not destroy industrial civilization and result in the deaths of billions of people is mighty low on their list of priorities.

A preferred solution is apparently on the Georgian Monoliths, and now has wide, almost ubiquitous "scientist" support: "population control" which is of course a euphemism for population culling (murder, to use a normal word) (in original article, each quoted person is linked): 45 Population-Control Quotes That Expose The Elites' Plan To Cut The Number Of People On The Planet https://www.zerohedge.com/health/45-population-control-quotes-expose-elites-... http://themostimportantnews.com/archives/45-population-control-quotes-that-p... ... But if humans are the primary driver of climate change, and if we only have about 12 years before we reach the point of no return as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has suggested, will a “gradual” reduction of the human population really be enough to satisfy the climate change zealots? ... 1. Charles Darwin (his thinking is at the foundation of so many of our scientific theories today): “At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state as we may hope, than the Caucasian and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.” 2. Bill Gates: “The problem is that the population is growing the fastest where people are less able to deal with it. So it’s in the very poorest places that you’re going to have a tripling in population by 2050. (…) And we’ve got to make sure that we help out with the tools now so that they don’t have an impossible situation later.” 3. Bernie Sanders: “In poor countries around the world where women do not necessarily want to have large numbers of babies, and where they can have the opportunity through birth control to control the number of kids they have, is something I very, very strongly support.” 4. UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson: “The primary challenge facing our species is the reproduction of our species itself…It is time we had a grown-up discussion about the optimum quantity of human beings in this country and on this planet…All the evidence shows that we can help reduce population growth, and world poverty, by promoting literacy and female emancipation and access to birth control.” 5. UK Television Presenter Sir David Attenborough: “The human population can no longer be allowed to grow in the same old uncontrolled way. If we do not take charge of our population size, then nature will do it for us.” 6. Paul Ehrlich, a former science adviser to president George W. Bush and the author of “The Population Bomb”: “Solving the population problem is not going to solve the problems of racism… of sexism… of religious intolerance… of war… of gross economic inequality. But if you don’t solve the population problem, you’re not going to solve any of those problems. Whatever problem you’re interested in, you’re not going to solve it unless you also solve the population problem.” 7. Dave Foreman, the co-founder of Earth First: “We humans have become a disease, the Humanpox.” 8. CNN Founder Ted Turner: “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” 9. Japan’s Deputy Prime Minister Taro Aso: about medical patients with serious illnesses: “You cannot sleep well when you think it’s all paid by the government. This won’t be solved unless you let them hurry up and die.” 10. David Rockefeller: “The negative impact of population growth on all of our planetary ecosystems is becoming appallingly evident.” 11. Richard Branson: “The truth is this: the Earth cannot provide enough food and fresh water for 10 billion people, never mind homes, never mind roads, hospitals and schools.” 12. Environmental activist Roger Martin: “On a finite planet, the optimum population providing the best quality of life for all, is clearly much smaller than the maximum, permitting bare survival. The more we are, the less for each; fewer people mean better lives.” 13. HBO personality Bill Maher: “I’m pro-choice, I’m for assisted suicide, I’m for regular suicide, I’m for whatever gets the freeway moving – that’s what I’m for. It’s too crowded, the planet is too crowded and we need to promote death.” 14. Al Gore: “One of the things we could do about it is to change the technologies, to put out less of this pollution, to stabilize the population, and one of the principal ways of doing that is to empower and educate girls and women. You have to have ubiquitous availability of fertility management so women can choose how many children to have, the spacing of the children… You have to educate girls and empower women. And that’s the most powerful leveraging factor, and when that happens, then the population begins to stabilize and societies begin to make better choices and more balanced choices.” 15. MIT professor Penny Chisholm: “The real trick is, in terms of trying to level off at someplace lower than that 9 billion, is to get the birthrates in the developing countries to drop as fast as we can. And that will determine the level at which humans will level off on earth.” 16. Julia Whitty, a columnist for Mother Jones: “The only known solution to ecological overshoot is to decelerate our population growth faster than it’s decelerating now and eventually reverse it—at the same time we slow and eventually reverse the rate at which we consume the planet’s resources. Success in these twin endeavors will crack our most pressing global issues: climate change, food scarcity, water supplies, immigration, health care, biodiversity loss, even war. On one front, we’ve already made unprecedented strides, reducing global fertility from an average 4.92 children per woman in 1950 to 2.56 today—an accomplishment of trial and sometimes brutally coercive error, but also a result of one woman at a time making her individual choices. The speed of this childbearing revolution, swimming hard against biological programming, rates as perhaps our greatest collective feat to date.” 17. Colorado State University Professor Philip Cafaro in a paper entitled “Climate Ethics and Population Policy”: “Ending human population growth is almost certainly a necessary (but not sufficient) condition for preventing catastrophic global climate change. Indeed, significantly reducing current human numbers may be necessary in order to do so.“ 18. Professor of Biology at the University of Texas at Austin Eric R. Pianka: “I have two grandchildren and I want them to inherit a stable Earth. But I fear for them. Humans have overpopulated the Earth and in the process have created an ideal nutritional substrate on which bacteria and viruses (microbes) will grow and prosper. We are behaving like bacteria growing on an agar plate, flourishing until natural limits are reached or until another microbe colonizes and takes over, using them as their resource. In addition to our extremely high population density, we are social and mobile, exactly the conditions that favor growth and spread of pathogenic (disease-causing) microbes. I believe it is only a matter of time until microbes once again assert control over our population, since we are unwilling to control it ourselves. This idea has been espoused by ecologists for at least four decades and is nothing new. People just don’t want to hear it.” 19. Kofi Annan, UN Secretary-General from 1997-2006: “The idea that population growth guarantees a better life — financially or otherwise — is a myth that only those who sell nappies, prams and the like have any right to believe.” 20. Thoraya Ahmed Obaid, UN Under-Secretary-General from 2000-2010: “We cannot confront the massive challenges of poverty, hunger, disease and environmental destruction unless we address issues of population and reproductive health.” 21. Bill Nye: “In 1750, there were about a billion humans in the world. Now, there are well over seven billion people in the world. It more than doubled in my lifetime. So all these people trying to live the way we live in the developed world is filling the atmosphere with a great deal more carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases than existed a couple of centuries ago. It’s the speed at which it is changing that is going to be troublesome for so many large populations of humans around the world.” 22. Actress Cameron Diaz: “I think women are afraid to say that they don’t want children because they’re going to get shunned. But I think that’s changing too now. I have more girlfriends who don’t have kids than those that do. And, honestly? We don’t need any more kids. We have plenty of people on this planet.” 23. Democrat strategist Steven Rattner: “WE need death panels. Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget.” 24. Matthew Yglesias, a business and economics correspondent for Slate, in an article entitled “The Case for Death Panels, in One Chart”: “But not only is this health care spending on the elderly the key issue in the federal budget, our disproportionate allocation of health care dollars to old people surely accounts for the remarkable lack of apparent cost effectiveness of the American health care system. When the patient is already over 80, the simple fact of the matter is that no amount of treatment is going to work miracles in terms of life expectancy or quality of life.” 25. Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger: “All of our problems are the result of overbreeding among the working class” 26. Gloria Steinem: “Everybody with a womb doesn’t have to have a child any more than everybody with vocal chords has to be an opera singer.” 27. Jane Goodall: “It’s our population growth that underlies just about every single one of the problems that we’ve inflicted on the planet. If there were just a few of us, then the nasty things we do wouldn’t really matter and Mother Nature would take care of it — but there are so many of us.” 28. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg: “Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.” 29. Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger: “The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.” 30. Salon columnist Mary Elizabeth Williams in an article entitled “So What If Abortion Ends Life?”: “All life is not equal. That’s a difficult thing for liberals like me to talk about, lest we wind up looking like death-panel-loving, kill-your-grandma-and-your-precious-baby storm troopers. Yet a fetus can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose body it resides.” 31. Paul Ehrlich: “Basically, then, there are only two kinds of solutions to the population problem. One is a ‘birth rate solution,’ in which we find ways to lower the birth rate. The other is a ‘death rate solution,’ in which ways to raise the death rate — war, famine, pestilence — find us.” 32. Alberto Giubilini of Monash University in Melbourne, Australia and Francesca Minerva of the University of Melbourne in a paper published in the Journal of Medical Ethics: “[W]hen circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible. … [W]e propose to call this practice ‘after-birth abortion’, rather than ‘infanticide,’ to emphasize that the moral status of the individual killed is comparable with that of a fetus … rather than to that of a child. Therefore, we claim that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible in all the circumstances where abortion would be. Such circumstances include cases where the newborn has the potential to have an (at least) acceptable life, but the well-being of the family is at risk.” 33. Nina Fedoroff, a key adviser to Hillary Clinton: “We need to continue to decrease the growth rate of the global population; the planet can’t support many more people.” 34. Barack Obama’s primary science adviser, John Holdren: “A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to implement than trying to sterilize men.” 35. Another quote from John Holdren: “If population control measures are not initiated immediately and effectively, all the technology man can bring to bear will not fend off the misery to come.” 36. David Brower, the first Executive Director of the Sierra Club: “Childbearing [should be] a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license … All potential parents [should be] required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.” 37. Maurice Strong: “Either we reduce the world’s population voluntarily or nature will do this for us, but brutally.” 38. Thomas Ferguson, former official in the U.S. State Department Office of Population Affairs: “There is a single theme behind all our work–we must reduce population levels. Either governments do it our way, through nice clean methods, or they will get the kinds of mess that we have in El Salvador, or in Iran or in Beirut. Population is a political problem. Once population is out of control, it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it…” 39. Mikhail Gorbachev: “We must speak more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion, about values that control population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren’t enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage.” 40. Jacques Costeau: “In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say it.” 41. Finnish environmentalist Pentti Linkola: “If there were a button I could press, I would sacrifice myself without hesitating if it meant millions of people would die” 42. Author Dan Brown: “Overpopulation is an issue so profound that all of us need to ask what should be done.” 43. Prince Phillip, husband of Queen Elizabeth II and co-founder of the World Wildlife Fund: “In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.” 44. Ashley Judd: “It’s unconscionable to breed, with the number of children who are starving to death in impoverished countries.” 45. Charles Darwin: “With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.” On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 11:31:38PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 09:11:56PM +1000, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:

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We cannot support a world population of billions without large amounts of energy. Green energy projects invariably mean less energy, which invariably shuts down people's lifestyles. People want to continue traveling around, hence the riots in Chile.

If warmists believed a word of their own bullshit, the money received for carbon offset credits would be spent on actually offsetting carbon emissions, for example by pulverizing olivine rocks and dumping them in the shallow ocean, stimulating the natural process where by calcium silicates get converted into silica and calcium carbonate.

Instead carbon credits money is spent on jetsetting around the world to pontificate on global warming.

If warmists believed a word of their own bullshit, green energy projects would produce useful energy, instead of superior holiness.

What green energy projects produce is shakedowns of the power grid. You get higher energy prices, and frequently get blackouts and brownouts.

We could in fact produce the required energy without carbon emissions either using nuclear power, or by mining olivine to offset the carbon emitted by burning coal or oil, but the warmists have shown zero interest in actually producing energy without emitting net carbon.

That green energy projects never actually work shows that warmists do not in fact believe what they purport to believe.

Some of them want to murder billions of people,

This is in fact true (task of the day: identify these "11,000 experts" and make their identification public, if not already done so - these 11,000 "experts" need exposing, evidently):

11,000 Experts Propose Final Solution To Global Warming: Just Kill Billions Of People https://www.zerohedge.com/health/11000-experts-make-modest-proposal-end-glob...

Over 40 years ago, scientists from 50 nations pivoted on a longstanding "global cooling" thesis that was going to blanket the earth in ice, and instead adopted what was then called the "CO2-climate problem" which would lead to theories on global warming, rising tides and economic catastrophe.

"Now, four decades later, a larger group of scientists is sounding another, much more urgent alarm," according to Bloomberg. https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/scientists-call-for-population-contr...

Some 11,000 scientists call for population control in mass climate alarm https://t.co/7L2cD3tK6e pic.twitter.com/Fv7br3iAU7 — Bloomberg Economics (@economics) November 5, 2019

Over 11,000 experts from around the world have banded together to call for solutions to the the 'climate emergency,' including population control - which "must be stabilized—and, ideally, gradually reduced—within a framework that ensures social integrity."

"We declare, with more than 11,000 scientist signatories from around the world, clearly and unequivocally that planet Earth is facing a climate emergency," warned the scientists in the Tuesday edition of BioScience, in a report that includes lots of scary charts we're guessing Tony Heller could have some fun with. https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz08... https://realclimatescience.com/2019/04/who-is-tony-heller/

The solution? Fewer people!

When absorbed in sequence, the charts lay out a devastating trend for planetary health. From meat consumption, greenhouse gas emissions and ice loss to sea-level rise and extreme weather events, they lay out a grim portrait of 40 years of squandered opportunities.

The scientists make specific calls for policymakers to quickly implement systemic change to energy, food, and economic policies. But they go one step further, into the politically fraught territory of population control. It “must be stabilized—and, ideally, gradually reduced—within a framework that ensures social integrity,” they write. -Bloomberg https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/scientists-call-for-population-contr...

"We are encouraged by a recent surge of concern," reads the letter. "Governmental bodies are making climate emergency declarations. Schoolchildren are striking. Ecocide lawsuits are proceeding in the courts. Grassroots citizen movements are demanding change, and many countries, states and provinces, cities, and businesses are responding.

Perhaps world leaders will consult with China, which has reportedly been sterilizing Muslim women in their infamous reeducation camps. https://nypost.com/2019/08/13/muslim-women-reportedly-sterilized-in-chinese-...

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some of them want to seize the means of production, and most of them want to shake down the energy grid.

Revealed preference is that actually reducing CO2 emissions is mighty low on their list of priorities - or at least reducing CO2 emissions in ways that do not destroy industrial civilization and result in the deaths of billions of people is mighty low on their list of priorities.

Millenials, listen up!:

Buy all the things.

Eat all the bugs, for all their protein.

Kill all the babies.

Have all the fun.

Ride all the cocks.

Bang all the chicks.

Pay all the tax.

Believe all the 11,000 experts.

Continue to be all the sheeple.

Glad we got THAT sorted!

Ride on, Georgian Monoliths, ride on!