On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 05:53:12PM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:

On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 17:32:44 -0000 "Spirit of Nikopol" wrote:

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I noticed some topical overlap between the cypherpunks mailing list and the cryptography mailing list at https://www.metzdowd.com/.

Is there any relationship between these two lists or the people who administer them?

the so called cryptography mailing list is owned by his lordship-ruler jakobo metzger. Metzger used to be a member of the original cpunks lists, and used to be an 'employee'/accomplice of lehman brothers. Imagine that. A self proclaimed 'libertarian' working for the supreme heroes of free capitalism!

so anyway, metzger's list is owned by his lordship metzer, and so are list members. It logically follows then that list members can only say what his lordship jakobo metzger allows them to say.

you can draw your own conclusions about the relationship between jakobo metzer and cryptoanarchy.

Metzdowd is censored, rigorously, "to ensure civil, and "on topic" discussions only". That which strays over their particular preferred lines is studiously evicted. Intolerable for many who strangely seem to gather here for uncensored discussions instead - who woulda thought?

On Sat, December 14, 2019 11:25 pm, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

By the way, straight back atcha, pls sir, may I have your recommended link to "Nikopol"?

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On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 01:26:18AM -0700, Mirimir wrote:

At this point, if you want low-latency connectivity, botnets are your safest bet. Or, for those who consider that immoral, nested VPN chains. You can go at least five deep, with iptables rules to prevent leaks.

Tor is for most folks, at best, a plausible deniability network. If you want genuine traffic mixing you must do what torproject.org -used- to recommend, in days gone past (pre-Applebaum lynching days), that is, run an exit node, get a few friends up to speed and have them on-ramp through your exit node, and only every on-ramp through your exit node. These days, torproject steers everyone to Tor Browser (TBB), downloaded straight from the NSA's torproject.org or googleplay.com websites. It's a sad state of affairs and almost entirely misleading of end users. If you're going to "chuck a Manning", your main problem anyway is distancing yourself from the data you are releasing - anything "important" is going to have a limited subset of folks who have access to that data anyway (except in rare circumstances), and so you need to be prepared for that. Freedom has a price, and we need to be prepared to pay the price of freedom. Manning, despite being pardoned, is once again paying the price for the stand taken (releasing the helicopter gunship video etc, which was a great service to us all indeed). What I'm really trying to say here is that sometimes you gotta man up, do the right thing, and accept the consequences, and not cower in fear. If Tor or a botnet are sufficient, great. But if not, what is the right thing to do anyway? When more and more folks start doing the right thing, it gets easier and easier for the next guy to do the right thing. Good luck, God speed, and may you find that which your Soul seeks for you,

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Sunday, December 15, 2019 12:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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If you want genuine traffic mixing

Sorry, does not exist. That was unfortunate and problematic wording.

Do not trust Tor, if you need privacy against the USA gov and its entities (MIC, NSA, CIA, etc).

I might be missing something here, provided you dont leak information in your message, isn't it Tor secure even if many exit nodes belong to NSA?

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 01:11:51AM -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

prohibition). Yes, governments have committed some first-class fuckups, this includes but is by no means limited to the US government (China and North Korea come to mind as well, but I'm sure there are others; show me

Nope, USA, China and NK are the only govs that have stuffed up. The rest b federalizin into a ssshining cccity erected on the hill. Please less denigratin of upstandin demoncratic examples of virtuosity, or we might have to censor^Bmoderate you, I mean, your speech. NB4 "SKQ's a fascist censorship loving Americunt!" :D