Excessive Politeness (was: Another Snowden News Story)
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:28 PM, coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:
(who is a jerk for speaking ill of Jacob, i do admit!)
Without getting to the personalities or facts of this case, concerning which I know nothing, I object to this statement at bottom of coderman's message. If people are dumbasses or liars and you don't call them on it, they'll not only continue to be dumbasses or liars (which is their own business) but they'll continue to inflict themselves on other people. These innocent bystanders might not have any warning about the nature of the dumbass or liar and might thereby be harmed by them. As a fine, upstanding member of civil society, it is your *duty* to publicly call dumbasses dumbasses and liars liars. It's for the benefit of us all. Thank you in advance. Or, you know, just kill them all. As per my tagline. -- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209
Steve Furlong wrote:
As a fine, upstanding member of civil society, it is your *duty* to publicly call dumbasses dumbasses and liars liars. It's for the benefit of us all. Thank you in advance.
Or, you know, just kill them all. As per my tagline.
I both agree and disagree. Sometimes it's best to just let that which does not matter truly slide. People are wrong in minor ways continuously, and it's easy to misinterpret intentions behind a statement (particularly on twitter, where brevity isn't exactly the soul of wit). But I'm Quaker, so of course I *would* say that, wouldn't I? ;P But if something is critical to a discussion -- okay. Certainly don't refrain from minor fucking criticism or correction out of respect/fear. If they're worth your respect they can take it. ~Griffin -- "Cypherpunks write code not flame wars." --Jurre van Bergen #Foucault / PGP: 0xAE792C97 / OTR: saint@jabber.ccc.de My posts are my own, not my employer's.
As a newcomer to the list, I'm not crazy about the personalization going on here, either, but let's not take sides. I'm not crazy about having had an excerpt of my blog post cherry-picked and mischaracterized for the sake of settling some score in some conflict that doesn't even involve me. If you guys can't keep it offline -- surely everyone's preference, right? -- at least leave other people, and their blog posts, out of it, k? On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Steve Furlong <demonfighter@gmail.com>wrote:
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:28 PM, coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:
(who is a jerk for speaking ill of Jacob, i do admit!)
Without getting to the personalities or facts of this case, concerning which I know nothing, I object to this statement at bottom of coderman's message.
If people are dumbasses or liars and you don't call them on it, they'll not only continue to be dumbasses or liars (which is their own business) but they'll continue to inflict themselves on other people. These innocent bystanders might not have any warning about the nature of the dumbass or liar and might thereby be harmed by them.
As a fine, upstanding member of civil society, it is your *duty* to publicly call dumbasses dumbasses and liars liars. It's for the benefit of us all. Thank you in advance.
Or, you know, just kill them all. As per my tagline.
-- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209
because having certitude that everyone is respecting everyone else's personal, blog-able, feelings is the cornerstone of any self-respecting “punk” movement. On Oct 29, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Tarzie X <ohtarzie@gmail.com> wrote:
As a newcomer to the list, I'm not crazy about the personalization going on here, either, but let's not take sides. I'm not crazy about having had an excerpt of my blog post cherry-picked and mischaracterized for the sake of settling some score in some conflict that doesn't even involve me.
If you guys can't keep it offline -- surely everyone's preference, right? -- at least leave other people, and their blog posts, out of it, k?
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Steve Furlong <demonfighter@gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:28 PM, coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote: (who is a jerk for speaking ill of Jacob, i do admit!)
Without getting to the personalities or facts of this case, concerning which I know nothing, I object to this statement at bottom of coderman's message.
If people are dumbasses or liars and you don't call them on it, they'll not only continue to be dumbasses or liars (which is their own business) but they'll continue to inflict themselves on other people. These innocent bystanders might not have any warning about the nature of the dumbass or liar and might thereby be harmed by them.
As a fine, upstanding member of civil society, it is your *duty* to publicly call dumbasses dumbasses and liars liars. It's for the benefit of us all. Thank you in advance.
Or, you know, just kill them all. As per my tagline.
-- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209
Ok we're now onto what punk means. I officially don't care. Just don't fucking mischaracterize my fucking blog posts. Fuckin' dipshits. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Joshua Case <jwcase@gmail.com> wrote:
because having certitude that everyone is respecting everyone else's personal, blog-able, feelings is the cornerstone of any self-respecting “punk” movement.
On Oct 29, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Tarzie X <ohtarzie@gmail.com> wrote:
As a newcomer to the list, I'm not crazy about the personalization going on here, either, but let's not take sides. I'm not crazy about having had an excerpt of my blog post cherry-picked and mischaracterized for the sake of settling some score in some conflict that doesn't even involve me.
If you guys can't keep it offline -- surely everyone's preference, right? -- at least leave other people, and their blog posts, out of it, k?
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Steve Furlong <demonfighter@gmail.com>wrote:
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:28 PM, coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:
(who is a jerk for speaking ill of Jacob, i do admit!)
Without getting to the personalities or facts of this case, concerning which I know nothing, I object to this statement at bottom of coderman's message.
If people are dumbasses or liars and you don't call them on it, they'll not only continue to be dumbasses or liars (which is their own business) but they'll continue to inflict themselves on other people. These innocent bystanders might not have any warning about the nature of the dumbass or liar and might thereby be harmed by them.
As a fine, upstanding member of civil society, it is your *duty* to publicly call dumbasses dumbasses and liars liars. It's for the benefit of us all. Thank you in advance.
Or, you know, just kill them all. As per my tagline.
-- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209
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