Comsec dream: secure means uniquely controllable by each person. Free of faith, scripture, authorities, investors, apologists, exploiters.
On 01/14/15 11:30 -0500, John Young wrote:
Comsec dream: secure means uniquely controllable by each person. Free of faith, scripture, authorities, investors, apologists, exploiters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof -- Dan White
John might consider applied cryptography to be: faith, scripture, authorities, investors, apologists, exploiters. It's the best scripture we've got. -Travis On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Dan White <dwhite@olp.net> wrote:
On 01/14/15 11:30 -0500, John Young wrote:
Comsec dream: secure means uniquely controllable by each person. Free of faith, scripture, authorities, investors, apologists, exploiters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof
-- Dan White
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At 01:29 PM 1/14/2015, Dan White wrote:
On 01/14/15 11:30 -0500, John Young wrote:
Comsec dream: secure means uniquely controllable by each person. Free of faith, scripture, authorities, investors, apologists, exploiters.
Yes, et seq. http://science20.com/square_root_of_not/the_nsa_snowden_and_citizen_cryptolo... Since most humans have nothing to do with digi-tech, its villainous to push digi-comsec as best path -- to entrap, to track, to spy, to profile. Pernicous cellphones, wearables, IoT, clouds, malware, gov cyber-largesse, invites worst paranoia even master-paranoid spies dare not dream of (Hail Mary fine). Whether open internet will survive its perfidy against promoters, operators and users, is theologically disputable. "Era of" augurs short-life, then segue to safety of authoritarianism endorsed by re-educsted civil-libs scared shitless by careless police of the populace -- duly state-licensed professionals.
John Young writes: | Comsec dream: secure means uniquely controllable by each person. | Free of faith, scripture, authorities, investors, apologists, exploiters. Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. -- Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead (1943)
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:20:33PM -0500, dan@geer.org wrote:
John Young writes: | Comsec dream: secure means uniquely controllable by each person. | Free of faith, scripture, authorities, investors, apologists, exploiters.
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. -- Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead (1943)
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need
Does this not describe the copyleft and copyfree software? Or maybe it describes a world where farmers figure out they can make more money by giving away all the food the world needs, and knowing when to sell the rest for profit? But I have a hard time believing that mathematics is anything other than a testable shared belief, in which we all share faith.
The distinction is crypto is applied. The axioms and rules don't require belief or faith - applied crypto has shown time and time again to require belief and faith. Crypto is opaque - but open. DES was once thought to be secure. RSA was once thought to be secure. PKI was once thought to be secure. -Travis On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed.org> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:20:33PM -0500, dan@geer.org wrote:
John Young writes: | Comsec dream: secure means uniquely controllable by each person. | Free of faith, scripture, authorities, investors, apologists, exploiters.
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. -- Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead (1943)
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need
Does this not describe the copyleft and copyfree software? Or maybe it describes a world where farmers figure out they can make more money by giving away all the food the world needs, and knowing when to sell the rest for profit?
But I have a hard time believing that mathematics is anything other than a testable shared belief, in which we all share faith.
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Dnia czwartek, 15 stycznia 2015 20:02:21 Travis Biehn pisze:
The distinction is crypto is applied. The axioms and rules don't require belief or faith - applied crypto has shown time and time again to require belief and faith.
Crypto is opaque - but open.
DES was once thought to be secure. RSA was once thought to be secure. PKI was once thought to be secure.
Secure to protect what and from whom? The threat model changes. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
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