The distinction is crypto is applied. The axioms and rules don't require belief or faith - applied crypto has shown time and time again to require belief and faith.

Crypto is opaque - but open.

DES was once thought to be secure.
RSA was once thought to be secure.
PKI was once thought to be secure.

-Travis

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed.org> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:20:33PM -0500, dan@geer.org wrote:
> John Young writes:
>  | Comsec dream: secure means uniquely controllable by each person.
>  | Free of faith, scripture, authorities, investors, apologists, exploiters.
>
>
> Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy.  The
> savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe.
> Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.
>                         -- Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead (1943)

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

Does this not describe the copyleft and copyfree software? Or maybe
it describes a world where farmers figure out they can make more
money by giving away all the food the world needs, and knowing
when to sell the rest for profit?

But I have a hard time believing that mathematics is anything other
than a testable shared belief, in which we all share faith.



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