IBM Quantum Computing
Well, we have been hearing about this Quantum technology for years... It's not mature yet, but.... potentially... when it will be mature... it will be able to break any crypto-system. (oh, maybe it is already mature in the Catacombs of the NSA). _______ https://www.research.ibm.com/quantum/#start https://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/49661.wss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf7D8snlsnQ http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/computing/hardware/ibm-puts-a-quantum-pro... IBM scientists have built a quantum processor that users can access through a first-of-a-kind quantum computing platform delivered via the IBM Cloud <http://www.ibm.com/cloud-computing/> onto any desktop or mobile device. IBM believes quantum computing is the future of computing and has the potential to solve certain problems that are impossible to solve on today’s supercomputers. The cloud-enabled quantum computing platform, called IBM Quantum Experience <http://www.ibm.com/quantumcomputing>, will allow users to run algorithms and experiments on IBM’s quantum processor, work with the individual quantum bits (qubits), and explore tutorials and simulations around what might be possible with quantum computing. The quantum processor is composed of five superconducting qubits and is housed at the IBM T.J. Watson Research Center in New York. The five-qubit processor represents the latest advancement in IBM’s quantum architecture that can scale to larger quantum systems. It is the leading approach towards building a universal quantum computer <https://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/photo/48259.wss>. A universal quantum computer can be programmed to perform any computing task and will be exponentially faster than classical computers for a number of important applications for science and business. A universal quantum computer does not exist today, but IBM envisions medium-sized quantum processors of 50-100 qubits to be possible in the next decade. With a quantum computer built of just 50 qubits, none of today’s TOP500 supercomputers could successfully emulate it, reflecting the tremendous potential of this technology. The community of quantum computer scientists and theorists is working to harness this power, and applications in optimization and chemistry will likely be the first to demonstrate quantum speed-up. “Quantum computers are very different from today’s computers, not only in what they look like and are made of, but more importantly in what they can do. Quantum computing is becoming a reality and it will extend computation far beyond what is imaginable with today’s computers,” said Arvind Krishna, senior vice president and director, IBM Research. “This moment represents the birth of quantum cloud computing. By giving hands-on access to IBM’s experimental quantum systems, the IBM Quantum Experience will make it easier for researchers and the scientific community to accelerate innovations in the quantum field, and help discover new applications for this technology.” With Moore’s Law running out of steam, quantum computing will be among the technologies that could usher in a new era of innovation across industries. This leap forward in computing could lead to the discovery of new pharmaceutical drugs and completely safeguard cloud computing systems. It could also unlock new facets of artificial intelligence (which could lead to future, more powerful Watson <http://www.ibm.com/smarterplanet/us/en/ibmwatson/> technologies), develop new materials science to transform industries, and search large volumes of big data <http://www.ibm.com/big-data/us/en/>. *IBM Quantum Experience* Quantum information is very fragile and needs to be protected from any errors that can result from heat and electromagnetic radiation. Signals are sent in and out of a cryogenic dilution refrigerator to measure operations on the quantum processor. The IBM team has made a number of robust engineering advances both at the device level and in the electronic controls to give IBM Quantum Experience users unprecedented and reliably high-quality performance in this five-qubit processor. Coupled with software expertise from the IBM Research ecosystem, the team has built a dynamic user interface on the IBM Cloud <http://www.ibm.com/cloud-computing/> platform that allows users to easily connect to the quantum hardware via the cloud. The team sees the introduction to the public of this complete quantum computing framework as just the start of a new user community, which embraces the quantum world and how it works. In the future, users will have the opportunity to contribute and review their results in the community hosted on the IBM Quantum Experience and IBM scientists will be directly engaged to offer more research and insights on new advances. IBM plans to add more qubits and different processor arrangements to the IBM Quantum Experience over time, so users can expand their experiments and help uncover new applications for the technology. *Quantum computing – a different way of thinking* We live in a world where classical physics defines our experiences and our intuition, and ultimately how we process information. However, nature at the atomic level is governed by a different set of rules known as quantum mechanics. It is beyond the reach of classical computers to solve problems that exist in nature in which quantum mechanics plays a role, for example, understanding how molecules behave. To overcome this, in 1981, Richard Feynman proposed to build computers based on the laws of quantum mechanics. Over three decades later, IBM is helping to make this a reality. Quantum computing works fundamentally differently from today’s computers. A classical computer makes use of bits to process information, where each bit represents either a one or a zero. In contrast, a qubit can represent a one, a zero, or both at once, which is known as superposition. This property along with other quantum effects enable quantum computers to perform certain calculations vastly faster than is possible with classical computers. Most of today’s quantum computing research in academia and industry is focused on building a universal quantum computer. The major challenges include creating qubits of high quality and packaging them together in a scalable way, so they can perform complex calculations in a controllable way. IBM employs superconducting qubits that are made with superconducting metals on a silicon chip and can be designed and manufactured using standard silicon fabrication techniques. Last year, IBM scientists demonstrated critical breakthroughs <https://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/46725.wss> to detect quantum errors by combining superconducting qubits in latticed arrangements, and whose quantum circuit design is the only physical architecture that can scale to larger dimensions. Now, IBM scientists have achieved a further advance by combining five qubits in the lattice architecture, which demonstrates a key operation known as a parity measurement – the basis of many quantum error correction protocols. The road towards universal quantum computing hinges upon the achievement of quantum error correction, and the IBM team has taken another important step down this challenging path. *New frontiers for quantum computing* There has been tremendous progress and interest in the field of quantum of computing in recent years. By giving users access to the IBM Quantum Experience, it will help businesses and organizations begin to understand the technology’s potential, for universities to grow their teaching programs in quantum computing and related subjects, and for students to become aware of promising new career paths. “It is a beautiful challenge to pursue the path to build the first universal quantum computer, but it requires us to change how we think about the world. Access to early quantum computing prototypes will be key in imagining and developing future applications,” said Dario Gil, vice president of science and solutions, IBM Research. “If you want to understand what a true quantum computer will do for you and how it works, this is the place to do it. You won’t experience it anywhere else.” IBM’s quantum computing platform is a core initiative within the newly formed IBM Research Frontiers Institute <http://www.ibm.com/frontiers>. The Frontiers Institute is a consortium that develops and shares ground-breaking computing technologies to spur world-changing innovations. Companies from diverse industries can leverage IBM’s research talent and cutting-edge infrastructure to explore what the future of quantum computing may mean for their organization and business. Founding members of the Frontiers Institute include Samsung, JSR, and Honda. To access the IBM Quantum Experience and for more information on IBM’s quantum computing research, please visit www.ibm.com/quantumcomputing. To learn more about the IBM Research Frontiers Institute, please visit www.ibm.com/frontiers. Note to journalists and bloggers: You can view and download b-roll on IBM’s quantum computing efforts at http://www.thenewsmarket.com/ibm. The video is available in HD, standard definition broadcast and streaming quality.
On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
related
These are both about D-Wave's machines, which are not universal quantum computers. IBM's is universal, though it's only 5 qubits, not even as many qubits as they used to factor the number 15. Still, I think there's plenty of reason to be skeptical of QC, and even if you're not that skeptical of it, we've still got decades before it'll be cracking even 1024 bit RSA.
On Fri, 6 May 2016 13:48:00 -0700 Sean Lynch <seanl@literati.org> wrote:
On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
related
These are both about D-Wave's machines, which are not universal quantum computers. IBM's is universal,
Yes, that's why I said "related" =P What I found interesting about the d-wave 'affair' is that they can't even prove that the machines are using some kind of quantum effect. I'd expect the masters of the universe to be a bit less sloppy in scientific matters.
though it's only 5 qubits, not even as many qubits as they used to factor the number 15. Still, I think there's plenty of reason to be skeptical of QC, and even if you're not that skeptical of it, we've still got decades before it'll be cracking even 1024 bit RSA.
I just learned about "topological qbits" - they seem even less practical than ibm's stuff, at least for the time being...
On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 2:40 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 6 May 2016 13:48:00 -0700 Sean Lynch <seanl@literati.org> wrote:
On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
related
These are both about D-Wave's machines, which are not universal quantum computers. IBM's is universal,
Yes, that's why I said "related" =P
What I found interesting about the d-wave 'affair' is that they can't even prove that the machines are using some kind of quantum effect. I'd expect the masters of the universe to be a bit less sloppy in scientific matters.
They can't "prove" it, but AIUI given the current evidence there would have to be something pretty strange going on for it not to be quantum effects. But even if they ARE using quantum effects, they still need to prove they're faster than any classical algorithm for some problem.
though it's only 5 qubits, not even as many qubits as they used to factor the number 15. Still, I think there's plenty of reason to be skeptical of QC, and even if you're not that skeptical of it, we've still got decades before it'll be cracking even 1024 bit RSA.
I just learned about "topological qbits" - they seem even less practical than ibm's stuff, at least for the time being...
Depends on what you mean by "practical". Perhaps fewer applications due to the fact that you can only approximate the answer (with accuracy increasing as you increase the number of braids), but potentially more scalable because the braids are more stable. If IBM's computer can't be scaled up to the point that it's more than a toy, but TQCs can, then the TQC would be the practical one.
On Fri, 6 May 2016 14:58:52 -0700 Sean Lynch <seanl@literati.org> wrote:
Depends on what you mean by "practical". Perhaps fewer applications due to the fact that you can only approximate the answer (with accuracy increasing as you increase the number of braids), but potentially more scalable because the braids are more stable. If IBM's computer can't be scaled up to the point that it's more than a toy, but TQCs can, then the TQC would be the practical one.
Yes, that's the theory...In theory topological qbits could be produced in quantity, but in pactice not a single t. qbit has been built as far as I can tell.
On 5/13/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
This everything log sounds really convenient - almost as convenient as an rfid microchip in the wrist so you don't have to pull out the wallet when paying for something.
On Sat, 14 May 2016 00:58:28 +0000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On 5/13/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
This everything log sounds really convenient - almost as convenient as an rfid microchip in the wrist so you don't have to pull out the wallet when paying for something.
For what it's worth, zeitgeist is a dependency for the archlinux midori package. Is there a decent, non-bloated browser out there? (seems like a rhetorical question...)
On 14/05/16 02:27, juan wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2016 00:58:28 +0000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On 5/13/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
This everything log sounds really convenient - almost as convenient as an rfid microchip in the wrist so you don't have to pull out the wallet when paying for something.
For what it's worth, zeitgeist is a dependency for the archlinux midori package.
And tracker is a dependency for gnome .. -- P
On Fri, 13 May 2016 21:23:11 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 05/13/2016 06:27 PM, juan wrote:
Is there a decent, non-bloated browser out there?
Imho Seamonkey. Requires manual install as there doesn't seem to be a .deb or any other kind of repository offering it. There is a Linux version available though.
Well, isn't that as bloated as firefox...? Even worse since it also has mail, irc, an html editor(...) etc.
On 05/13/2016 10:02 PM, juan wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2016 21:23:11 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 05/13/2016 06:27 PM, juan wrote:
Is there a decent, non-bloated browser out there? Imho Seamonkey. Requires manual install as there doesn't seem to be a .deb or any other kind of repository offering it. There is a Linux version available though.
Well, isn't that as bloated as firefox...? Even worse since it also has mail, irc, an html editor(...) etc.
It has features built in that would make it seem so but the memory use is MUCH MUCH lower than Firefox. 1/3 to 1/2 of what FF uses on my system. Even when mail and the browser are open at the same time. Compared to FF and Tbird... There is no comparison. Those two together used to slow my old single core machine down to a crawl or stop but Seamonkey never did.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On Sat, 14 May 2016 02:02:26 -0300 juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, isn't that as bloated as firefox...? Even worse since it also has mail, irc, an html editor(...) etc.
[drwho@windbringer ~]$ cd /usr/bin/ [drwho@windbringer bin]$ ls -alF firefox seamonkey lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Jan 6 20:35 firefox -> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Dec 6 16:12 seamonkey - -> /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.39/seamonkey* [drwho@windbringer bin]$ ls -alF /usr/lib/firefox/firefox /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.39/seamonkey - -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 150720 Jan 6 20:35 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox* - -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 121848 Dec 6 16:12 /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.39/seamonkey* Oh, and just for fun, here's Palemoon's (https://www.palemoon.org/) disk footprint: [drwho@windbringer bin]$ ls -alF /usr/lib/palemoon/palemoon - -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 240720 Apr 30 21:18 /usr/lib/palemoon/palemoon* - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415] [ZS] PGP: 0x807B17C1 / 7960 1CDC 85C9 0B63 8D9F DD89 3BD8 FF2B 807B 17C1 WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ Live a life worthy of Leonard Cohen lyrics. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXOO/RAAoJED1np1pUQ8RkGZMP/Az2p4yKjmPGZheNdMZp3ft5 sI/hkHa4Sp/o+4fjSrKopePfELXUn2WL17Ml0rZ1zbOl7qdbhumJ4/VwKHjDBNJ8 GchB031X8Vv7awN5NdtF300va78FYym2HSnpoXy5apQ46F1SBYUAVa5OYR+eXVVI ZJlT4EowlaZ0LuZWuUD7d94CNn7LHz7vLZgHeGaVHYnJnGD/9oTqXe+aDSRvhG9L ebesuJVosshuARtRt0paeiiBTnJAvUM2beQMVUj0N9RrK23kgeQoP3qAjyf+VuQK JpyOTCa2EiSDkQQNyR7JTgQsXzjWmV4YE9V6MuMRNy8TzEM5Pvj4f/zC2+VY8+JX vP/0B8kQCVhxCfbHlNwsXRbXHrJ6IRfFOHm5bx0wDE4YSFhA04QLf1md1QavCTZB h0nPHL8SZLYlDLJf8le8yz5ev8anW6tM6IxHlXigQugEPMLecd6H78az/QyiyFJw qGOJGfUxg8Bl/3ixPISiWq4uT4g8j9c1zCZMFbNad7wVgm8m0ZL7nAI31HgwVTqw eQGoUevN/bSPckra3E/FoOqdw046iy/XncL7IHdgPJjMBHjzjXFoFZFMnxyu/YhI +QXkJ1fX04gdjdcdPfgUsQpSTXQdkllPJuQlQIzDP9WRugNu+zBcPzU2eWQ3DRHa IJRlJepsW/6UeNKsPcfQ =0Gj6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sun, 15 May 2016 14:53:20 -0700 The Doctor
Oh, and just for fun, here's Palemoon's (https://www.palemoon.org/) disk footprint:
[drwho@windbringer bin]$ ls -alF /usr/lib/palemoon/palemoon - -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 240720 Apr 30
I just got the precompiled bz package - it's ~60mb uncompressed. It seems to be a bit better/faster than current firefox, plus it doesn't have the 'new' and 'improved' gui stuff...
Servo looks like it has potential, but you'll probably have to compile that from source On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 3:11 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2016 14:53:20 -0700 The Doctor
Oh, and just for fun, here's Palemoon's (https://www.palemoon.org/) disk footprint:
[drwho@windbringer bin]$ ls -alF /usr/lib/palemoon/palemoon - -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 240720 Apr 30
I just got the precompiled bz package - it's ~60mb uncompressed. It seems to be a bit better/faster than current firefox, plus it doesn't have the 'new' and 'improved' gui stuff...
Servo sounds like a good idea but afaik at the moment is just the engine right? I suppose in the future someone will build a browser on top of it. Juan Gonzalez:
Servo looks like it has potential, but you'll probably have to compile that from source
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 3:11 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2016 14:53:20 -0700 The Doctor
Oh, and just for fun, here's Palemoon's (https://www.palemoon.org/) disk footprint:
[drwho@windbringer bin]$ ls -alF /usr/lib/palemoon/palemoon - -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 240720 Apr 30
I just got the precompiled bz package - it's ~60mb uncompressed. It seems to be a bit better/faster than current firefox, plus it doesn't have the 'new' and 'improved' gui stuff...
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 08:11:54PM +0000, juan wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2016 14:53:20 -0700 The Doctor
Oh, and just for fun, here's Palemoon's (https://www.palemoon.org/) disk footprint:
[drwho@windbringer bin]$ ls -alF /usr/lib/palemoon/palemoon - -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 240720 Apr 30
I just got the precompiled bz package - it's ~60mb uncompressed. It seems to be a bit better/faster than current firefox, plus it doesn't have the 'new' and 'improved' gui stuff...
last time i checked the palemoon people don't backport any security fixes since their fork. that leaves a lot of potential open for any attacker. people on this list should have checked this 1st instead of being lame and whine about the size -- otr fp: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt
On Mon, 16 May 2016 11:25:06 +0200 stef <s@ctrlc.hu> wrote:
last time i checked the palemoon people don't backport any security fixes since their fork. that leaves a lot of potential open for any attacker. people on this list should have checked this 1st instead of being lame and whine about the size
https://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml They do mention security fixes there. (not saying they are to be 'trusted' tho)
On 05/16/2016 12:57 PM, juan wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2016 11:25:06 +0200 stef <s@ctrlc.hu> wrote:
last time i checked the palemoon people don't backport any security fixes since their fork. that leaves a lot of potential open for any attacker. people on this list should have checked this 1st instead of being lame and whine about the size
https://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml
They do mention security fixes there. (not saying they are to be 'trusted' tho)
It's the older distro that no longer updates.
On 05/15/2016 02:53 PM, The Doctor wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2016 02:02:26 -0300 juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, isn't that as bloated as firefox...? Even worse since it also has mail, irc, an html editor(...) etc.
[drwho@windbringer ~]$ cd /usr/bin/
[drwho@windbringer bin]$ ls -alF firefox seamonkey lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Jan 6 20:35 firefox -> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Dec 6 16:12 seamonkey -> /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.39/seamonkey*
[drwho@windbringer bin]$ ls -alF /usr/lib/firefox/firefox /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.39/seamonkey
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 150720 Jan 6 20:35 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 121848 Dec 6 16:12 /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.39/seamonkey*
Oh, and just for fun, here's Palemoon's (https://www.palemoon.org/) disk footprint:
[drwho@windbringer bin]$ ls -alF /usr/lib/palemoon/palemoon -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 240720 Apr 30 21:18 /usr/lib/palemoon/palemoon*
Pale moon worked well for me using Windoze, which it's optimized for. It's memory control did not seem to be as good with the Mint/Lubuntu distro I installed on that same machine. HOWEVER at the time I was using an older single core machine that the later V of Palemoon didn't work with because of a chipset instruction not available in the Turlon64 chip. I never did try it with a later CPU and a recent Palemoon release..
On Sat, 14 May 2016 19:43:50 +1000 Jason Richards <jjr2@gmx.com> wrote:
juan:
Is there a decent, non-bloated browser out there? (seems like a rhetorical question...)
Dillo works OK, but has limited HTTPS support.
surf from suckless.org seems to work well.
Thanks. A distro I use (SliTaz) has a browser that might be described as a 'very thin' wrapper for webkit. The exe is 27kb. Surf looks similar... I guess the problem is not so much the bloated browsers but the bloated providers of 'content' which should actually be described as propaganda and garbage.
J
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On Sat, 14 May 2016 00:58:28 +0000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
This everything log sounds really convenient - almost as convenient as an rfid microchip in the wrist so you don't have to pull out the wallet when paying for something.
You can always turn it off and write stuff down on notecards. Or install the stickynote application of your choice. Failing that, I hear that ~/notes.txt is traditional... - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415] [ZS] PGP: 0x807B17C1 / 7960 1CDC 85C9 0B63 8D9F DD89 3BD8 FF2B 807B 17C1 WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ "Seal number four cannot be removed, I think I goofed up when I sealed it." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXOQxhAAoJED1np1pUQ8RkhDoP/Ag6hCequeQeZgfvIxJUU9Ve 2b1z1kHuCM55GnhCNH+jNYNnDe4AcPopGeCkmaybfT+alSHJpZj1dRArW2EOAJ6h kaJnp+w7ZWbnp0GcZh6jjQ+60/uxCkcsrRxB0emSjbl/hzHSS7uDlglaU59lslV3 RNtR2sHGZBpJV/d6zUZhzegP+uGe6OecUIS2KCur6QVVOf5XHd9Lf8BuZTQDPeLB ELGa3j5fqQtuN5DzNdeLRvjq7Fy1qNTtPjm4s6CvY6slh/AvMG9OwM6lPFzhGV7k 0r7phpQ4W9f579/78nEQ0lm5tLcWy/XzBzsowrbHoTPtZKDF8rPappoDsFDD3Ns2 woxY5I9Hpiv8ORGMUXY+2fzL6nwLyPuLbNuvsmdZd3HlHvtxJGkiLEO5KyXdHZx6 Il8ST3SfeMZqJJ/dqolL3EWGlHIy/zf6SH1WxAWMsJrf3Ogl9GjecC/NJAoAKPbJ 6V14kjObnYubitCWBK/6xkd1F9TePFVZ4oGcoN6RjbJGk3o8HVxqmEZIR6WL6yIh vOowOQJf+5iWjoU29x0DxMX1eDO1RkqZoMKOn4pkXlOKidHZT3MKOZ5642vce52O q7yzyhbSD/lZSUnjcPVNWaGDMwkRUJfbq1lvnqxZRE7EvNyv3RjQtj6TLYp25nCC ZE0OUkmpD+p3914kuIL1 =3PfM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 04:55:13PM -0700, The Doctor wrote:
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On Sat, 14 May 2016 00:58:28 +0000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
This everything log sounds really convenient - almost as convenient as an rfid microchip in the wrist so you don't have to pull out the wallet when paying for something.
You can always turn it off and write stuff down on notecards. Or install the stickynote application of your choice. Failing that, I hear that ~/notes.txt is traditional...
I hear that org-mode is modern replacement for this... Actually, after spending good time with org I would rather not go back to notes.txt. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola@bigfoot.com **
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 16 May 2016 18:13:27 +0200 Tomasz Rola <rtomek@ceti.pl> wrote:
I hear that org-mode is modern replacement for this... Actually, after spending good time with org I would rather not go back to notes.txt.
In recent years I've been using Tiddlywiki (http://tiddlywiki.com/) to manage notes for my projects, and I'm quite taken with it. I keep them checked into the appropriate Git repositories so not only are they versioned but they get pushed to my server along with the code. - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415] [ZS] PGP: 0x807B17C1 / 7960 1CDC 85C9 0B63 8D9F DD89 3BD8 FF2B 807B 17C1 WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ Squaresoft: Bringing you 32-bit unsigned integer damage counts since 1996. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXOgnPAAoJED1np1pUQ8RkAcUQAIUtgstPsx+LmfZz/FdkdppS m2uyDNRJGTgI2U5stYOZaD4bFz1DK6OfcUNFIE3STB2+owR3HxNLJp7QBk5bbIY1 jkdPObwXij0a9j0sW52bvk2rQh1MwCTMCYTE363/fMvHqGylwZ7aKEEotyVLe9Yy cRrbB7HcsUnfgyDljU0sswdgWnwZSzOioqeYTyrceSIHuZw8vhKkJQ63b49lK8D1 UZL+KoZPvEPXOmjNjIi6DtM23sgcZ0Q/rPUlOTuIiVQyLgS/NxoPCB+k5DtamFOh mko7kt725OrCoGORRNVLFyPhsG+9bhplJAItmFoxabyUT5JHXll//Ve5mQvIEl7Y Ric8Ahi9zN8+mwdmnW92DDoICzs7hKIqLUb7q4PWVH5TZnPR+ks0ECs48BtmA4Fs NO3QeW6/aUdkwwsPHn7daznHVY8DJ6w7UuzTOK7hc1nuwiShpurGkRC8l5xFhGv4 br4AEWtXjr7YtuqtbbyXhEPtu4thmpzf2ExpqBF9RCCoJAZE897spVrne4au7/WP anAYNbtRlO10lMhdVLPfG2hNo8DNaa3LvIQKmw2RCp9ZEoG6UD9ac/TnUypvhTkk qAM8NPOqO9pC3D+WWNZq3n1zSPd0st3bR2pltTWxZ9+D7w9MpLpx5Wp15dq16B72 HMrkPN8ztXZnKCr59OeP =VgYs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:56:31AM -0700, The Doctor wrote:
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On Mon, 16 May 2016 18:13:27 +0200 Tomasz Rola <rtomek@ceti.pl> wrote:
I hear that org-mode is modern replacement for this... Actually, after spending good time with org I would rather not go back to notes.txt.
In recent years I've been using Tiddlywiki (http://tiddlywiki.com/) to manage notes for my projects, and I'm quite taken with it. I keep them checked into the appropriate Git repositories so not only are they versioned but they get pushed to my server along with the code.
Looks nice. I guess you have your reason to make such choices and perhaps I will try it myself one day. For now however, and in my case, emacs does the job (keeping some activity log/record, notes, maybe todo lists, maybe pieces of code - it seems there are some extremely cool things possible when mixing code into org) so I tend to avoid "more advanced" stuff [1]. I think it is possible to edit some (other) wiki with org-mode and send content to it without needing a browser, which would be huge plus for me. And if I was in need of wiki then maybe I would look for something which does not require Javascript (as Tiddly seems to, but I only glanced over few pages and into one zip). YMMV, of course. [1] Well, ok, if I see something as more advanced, I would at least try to include it into my toolbox etc etc. My current needs are such that emacs (and elisp) appear to be more advanced (compared to browser and JS). But I have no intent to evangelize people about it. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola@bigfoot.com **
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 17 May 2016 17:08:12 +0200 Tomasz Rola <rtomek@ceti.pl> wrote:
"more advanced" stuff [1]. I think it is possible to edit some (other) wiki with org-mode and send content to it without needing a browser,
You could always write your notes in Markdown, which is pretty good for ad-hoc outlining and notetaking in my experience. I got in the habit a while ago and while it looks a little weird it's intuitive. Plus, if you really need to you can later render it into HTML, XML, or other document formats with something lPandoc (http://pandoc.org/).
which would be huge plus for me. And if I was in need of wiki then maybe I would look for something which does not require Javascript (as Tiddly seems to, but I only glanced over few pages and into one zip).
Tiddly does need JavaScript, but it's entirely self-contained (i.e., it's a self-modifying HTML page; if you access one from a real web server you can't edit it, you can only view it). My threat model is such that JavaScript kept in a file sitting on my desktop while airgapped is fine; yours is yours. - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415] [ZS] PGP: 0x807B17C1 / 7960 1CDC 85C9 0B63 8D9F DD89 3BD8 FF2B 807B 17C1 WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ "We are stuck with technology when what we really want is just stuff that works." --Douglas Adams -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXO1JjAAoJED1np1pUQ8RkJ1IP/2duL7EEmevOXk6PblPqbEfR avteXOnyPy9gT8p0AQNuiP3sBff7N4v/BfGLKlueFhr0oH4qMTZ5ZauK8Vzp1DAM qCUDxKKZVktqgpKvRvY9Dj/oFu+SyROCuHLiglwlg2I6pwM1TtHYk4qYxbwS/dzc wXVsQCC4jrIslNlX5mnCcx8Eu2EcS+AKNxAjOPsHJ+WX8yiclF9Ud+1xpnlczTj4 NjanuQ9wvJoB2au4AkJ0zdOMAZnyRTcH6Pk629fMDnpevTALz4G9zP0q8La0aP4/ JWWFsM040w6cAARO9JYYeYwIIS/D+hIZnBjydgCT+qwOTM+6MqysWAXtSeLFX4t0 85NpgtRKBu6fOkt6M71hATIiB1mz/iNejamClj83gTNV0qw3GXe6YsT9yL+2cUKR +Hf2LxAlVCwY4hui3sgaGdMFZi8pGGtdYfB/CvuKRiy86L84gDi+mUctnY17gS0m h99F8SuFiCZDXvFuTBQYw4zQWo76gELFJXuTcK4LMpne4AjPJF7rftTRQOAKve62 43MNYwm41w7m6dGfoeYSG2lIdJk8D0Rf9QnbDZeEaTObDcvaXMAQ+wRw07/3FyVs akmKoquUB6zKnHrUcCWx9CB169xO3IMG7OmK7zqISQBTwMvg4YBA94omvUU3jOrD /Cyk6RQQmZ0AY3OMtko1 =m+iW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 11:04 AM The Doctor <drwho@virtadpt.net> wrote:
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On Mon, 16 May 2016 18:13:27 +0200 Tomasz Rola <rtomek@ceti.pl> wrote:
I hear that org-mode is modern replacement for this... Actually, after spending good time with org I would rather not go back to notes.txt.
In recent years I've been using Tiddlywiki (http://tiddlywiki.com/) to manage notes for my projects, and I'm quite taken with it. I keep them checked into the appropriate Git repositories so not only are they versioned but they get pushed to my server along with the code.
Tiddlywiki looks pretty neat. Thanks for mentioning it. I've actually been looking for almost exactly this. The one drawback seems to be that, at least without some coding, it can only save through the browser to local disk or to a custom server, no WebDAV support or anything like that. It'd be nice to save to Tahoe-LAFS or something along those lines.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, 18 May 2016 18:15:41 +0000 Sean Lynch <seanl@literati.org> wrote:
looking for almost exactly this. The one drawback seems to be that, at least without some coding, it can only save through the browser to local disk or to a custom server, no WebDAV support or anything like that. It'd
It was designed explicitly to be serverless. I've never tried saving it to WebDAV; it'd be worth a couple of experiements, I think. I know people who save theirs to Dropbox and then share public read-only links to same and it seems to do what they want it to. Twine applications, also.
be nice to save to Tahoe-LAFS or something along those lines.
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