Re: [DIYbio] Science research papers require viewing Adverts, no-thanks to Science/AAAS
----- Forwarded message from James Salsman <jsalsman@gmail.com> ----- Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 11:06:08 -0600 From: James Salsman <jsalsman@gmail.com> To: science-liberation-front@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [DIYbio] Science research papers require viewing Adverts, no-thanks to Science/AAAS Reply-To: science-liberation-front@googlegroups.com I think there is some potential and nuance here that we should explore in depth. Wouldn't free papers with clearly labeled ads be a substantially better alternative to exclusively for-pay research articles? I mean, nobody would boycott a scientific journal which paid for its publication by accepting responsible ads, would they? Although I strongly approve of measures to automatically hide ads for those who wish to do sp (and I advocate to protect such systems frequently, occasionally at some inconvenience and risk to my ability to continue research and development work with corporations funded by ads) there are times when viewing ads unquestionably provides useful data about existing and potential sponsorship. That information is sometimes very valuable to researchers seeking supplemental funding for their work, as well as understanding the economic attributes of suppliers, re-sellers, large influencers and conglomerates affecting their research landscape. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Bryan Bishop <kanzure@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Jonathan Cline <jncline@gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to register my distaste for seeing advertisements within research publications aka journal articles. Science/AAAS (Sciencemag.org) is one major offender noticed so far.
Taxpayers pay for research. Journals are charging $$$ for access to that research. Some journals are now inserting Advertisements directly into the research papers.
This is a very distasteful practice. Frankly it is insulting. I would purposely avoid purchasing products from advertisers who choose to attach advertisements directly to published journal articles.
Today I updated pdfparanoia to remove AAAS/sciencemag ads from papers. Call it "AdBlock for Science" if you will...
https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/commit/cc7d14d173be9b4a79adb97fba0929...
Samples: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/To%20Favor%20Survival%20Under%20Foo... http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Large-Pore%20Apertures%20in%20a%20S... http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Reconstituting%20Organ-Level%20Lung... http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Laser%20Scribing%20of%20High-Perfor... http://www.era-mx.org/biblio/Ostrom,%202009.pdf
I would also appreciate other samples if anyone has them. So far only papers since 2012 have these ads. But this is a disgusting trend.
- Bryan http://heybryan.org/ 1 512 203 0507
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I would like to register my distaste for seeing advertisements within research publications aka journal articles. Science/AAAS (Sciencemag.org) is one major offender noticed so far.
I haven't read the AAAS's Science magazine in decades, but my father subscribed to the dead-tree version when I was a kid, and it's had ads as long as I can remember. Most of them were for university jobs, and I can't remember whether other ads were in Science or in Chemical&Engineering News (an industry rag where ads wouldn't have been surprising; I suspect most of the ads for laboratory glassware were in C&EN.)
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Bill Stewart <bill.stewart@pobox.com> wrote:
I haven't read the AAAS's Science magazine in decades, but my father subscribed to the dead-tree version when I was a kid, and it's had ads as long as I can remember. Most of them were for university jobs, and I can't remember whether other ads were in Science or in Chemical&Engineering News (an industry rag where ads wouldn't have been surprising; I suspect most of the ads for laboratory glassware were in C&EN.)
Yeah, but Jonathan (what you quoted) was talking about ads appearing inside the individual pdfs. That didn't use to happen. - Bryan http://heybryan.org/ 1 512 203 0507
I agree that journals with ads is infinitely better thing for science than paid journals. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Bryan Bishop <kanzure@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Bill Stewart <bill.stewart@pobox.com> wrote:
I haven't read the AAAS's Science magazine in decades, but my father subscribed to the dead-tree version when I was a kid, and it's had ads as long as I can remember. Most of them were for university jobs, and I can't remember whether other ads were in Science or in Chemical&Engineering News (an industry rag where ads wouldn't have been surprising; I suspect most of the ads for laboratory glassware were in C&EN.)
Yeah, but Jonathan (what you quoted) was talking about ads appearing inside the individual pdfs. That didn't use to happen.
- Bryan http://heybryan.org/ 1 512 203 0507
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Karel Bílek <kb@karelbilek.com> wrote:
I agree that journals with ads is infinitely better thing for science than paid journals.
But.. it's already for-pay. We seem to be getting the bad end of the deal here. Again. - Bryan http://heybryan.org/ 1 512 203 0507
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