Charles Fox: I'm not an anarchist
This isn't anarchist list This is christian conservitive pro-russian list
please forgive me.
Only Jebus can forgive you
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 6 December 2016 07:08:44 GMT, Elle Phent <reepublikkkan@sigaint.org> wrote:
Charles Fox: I'm not an anarchist
This isn't anarchist list
This is christian conservitive pro-russian list
please forgive me.
Only Jebus can forgive you
I must be on the wrong list then, i am not Christian, conservative or pro any nation :D obviously elle-twat wants to derail your sensible questions. If your encryption is sufficiently strong (ppl seem happy with AES256, any better suggestions) and your random number generator wasn't designed or influenced by the NSA then you're likely to keep your information private. Note that you will then become the weak link and if the information is sufficiently important then it will get painful :) In terms of a Windows (you said Outlook) based remailer then I'd see Windows as the weak link, especially if its v7/8 or 10. Cheers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQI7BAEBCgAlHhxvc2h3bSA8b3Nod21Ab3Blbm1haWxib3gub3JnPgUCWEZl+wAK CRAqeAcYSpG1iHV6D/9WuPd84oHHl4hyGQ5s7+JKxAW5iw9g7Ur11DQ1R9inSXi0 4C2JoinyucloRZ0bw0Mewu00qjkuUKsbe7gzUWYwg+Nu0vnxPgMaiSMS49dur/CK hpPkN37gt6dJe5mg1Sm5T73upkrrshsXFYU/nsTsCcuRoJdvvk+5tbngn6XTybw4 KM3pOG8b4Mk7U4HA6Xd3Fm762uRIv9RnSGvpWUBa9ZdJEKWGpz6BCFmv6XrV5KFe 8vrbx3G6gDXEP/g+AHmHKCAnkWxELHKrXlco2cCySq7uL39OyLsg7pn7m/BncRNS UUZ1dYWBRl6IU8eNBAFGzTf+niBs8JV/lK+18noEaXn1ZpQD3rZMNMKLhYaWpHyO 8W3e5tFRwNY66imOKyBqBruQhNlLrIDzY3EOGK3WoG0aOT3UATKCivElCHwkqi7I L1dpE3re2TS0g6/RR/iBilfGiD+bABeDSFS8HgM55vaHcSdQKXmZDNdp9M41P+YM r6IE6BZ+WhkmeXgCYhCaaWo1V69fkxHFi7coTBrDU2s0Qk12Ux8t7gORYycJDb0Z ByBpiaD2AuCuHu+7wR8s5Ypd82hLeCFK9XW0CneC1Q7me+N2KQZfnrhv5F554OSy cwlG1MWx7o6XUjP1CXlVmwtcLHw2fBHUXjz/b9pXAsrLd6umW5Yt3S+VN1zMQQ== =5EoN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
I agree Windows would be the weak link, but I think it is easier to persuade someone to install an add-in than to learn Linux. Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Intro/Projects Local Time: December 5, 2016 11:17 PM UTC Time: December 6, 2016 7:17 AM From: oshwm@openmailbox.org To: Elle Phent <reepublikkkan@sigaint.org>, cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 6 December 2016 07:08:44 GMT, Elle Phent <reepublikkkan@sigaint.org> wrote:
Charles Fox: I'm not an anarchist
This isn't anarchist list
This is christian conservitive pro-russian list
please forgive me.
Only Jebus can forgive you
I must be on the wrong list then, i am not Christian, conservative or pro any nation :D obviously elle-twat wants to derail your sensible questions. If your encryption is sufficiently strong (ppl seem happy with AES256, any better suggestions) and your random number generator wasn't designed or influenced by the NSA then you're likely to keep your information private. Note that you will then become the weak link and if the information is sufficiently important then it will get painful :) In terms of a Windows (you said Outlook) based remailer then I'd see Windows as the weak link, especially if its v7/8 or 10. Cheers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQI7BAEBCgAlHhxvc2h3bSA8b3Nod21Ab3Blbm1haWxib3gub3JnPgUCWEZl+wAK CRAqeAcYSpG1iHV6D/9WuPd84oHHl4hyGQ5s7+JKxAW5iw9g7Ur11DQ1R9inSXi0 4C2JoinyucloRZ0bw0Mewu00qjkuUKsbe7gzUWYwg+Nu0vnxPgMaiSMS49dur/CK hpPkN37gt6dJe5mg1Sm5T73upkrrshsXFYU/nsTsCcuRoJdvvk+5tbngn6XTybw4 KM3pOG8b4Mk7U4HA6Xd3Fm762uRIv9RnSGvpWUBa9ZdJEKWGpz6BCFmv6XrV5KFe 8vrbx3G6gDXEP/g+AHmHKCAnkWxELHKrXlco2cCySq7uL39OyLsg7pn7m/BncRNS UUZ1dYWBRl6IU8eNBAFGzTf+niBs8JV/lK+18noEaXn1ZpQD3rZMNMKLhYaWpHyO 8W3e5tFRwNY66imOKyBqBruQhNlLrIDzY3EOGK3WoG0aOT3UATKCivElCHwkqi7I L1dpE3re2TS0g6/RR/iBilfGiD+bABeDSFS8HgM55vaHcSdQKXmZDNdp9M41P+YM r6IE6BZ+WhkmeXgCYhCaaWo1V69fkxHFi7coTBrDU2s0Qk12Ux8t7gORYycJDb0Z ByBpiaD2AuCuHu+7wR8s5Ypd82hLeCFK9XW0CneC1Q7me+N2KQZfnrhv5F554OSy cwlG1MWx7o6XUjP1CXlVmwtcLHw2fBHUXjz/b9pXAsrLd6umW5Yt3S+VN1zMQQ== =5EoN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 6 December 2016 14:43:09 GMT, Charles Fox <FoxC@protonmail.com> wrote:
I agree Windows would be the weak link, but I think it is easier to persuade someone to install an add-in than to learn Linux.
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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Intro/Projects Local Time: December 5, 2016 11:17 PM UTC Time: December 6, 2016 7:17 AM From: oshwm@openmailbox.org To: Elle Phent <reepublikkkan@sigaint.org>, cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
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On 6 December 2016 07:08:44 GMT, Elle Phent <reepublikkkan@sigaint.org> wrote:
Charles Fox: I'm not an anarchist
This isn't anarchist list
This is christian conservitive pro-russian list
please forgive me.
Only Jebus can forgive you
I must be on the wrong list then, i am not Christian, conservative or pro any nation :D
obviously elle-twat wants to derail your sensible questions.
If your encryption is sufficiently strong (ppl seem happy with AES256, any better suggestions) and your random number generator wasn't designed or influenced by the NSA then you're likely to keep your information private.
Note that you will then become the weak link and if the information is sufficiently important then it will get painful :)
In terms of a Windows (you said Outlook) based remailer then I'd see Windows as the weak link, especially if its v7/8 or 10.
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But you're happy to convince them to install python as well as the stuff you've created for them? :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQI7BAEBCgAlHhxvc2h3bSA8b3Nod21Ab3Blbm1haWxib3gub3JnPgUCWEbPZwAK CRAqeAcYSpG1iM66EACrfeI31Hl6oZLt2tXZaURT5+mQ/5OiXJIAqtC/UbxArPxQ l7L5Kauwe/vuLPg6lxGkD6ML9ZOyy2ucyavmjWWeyoioKIOfT6hC1YxAFpfo9a2K 9W8512t+4Chl0BlShxL11rPpnW1fyAb5MY9l/YuCYj2pDS4HYNBu/jGcIjySzSXA JgTX5+seW33PRbPwuVZwEnAZw2Mdmhq/PQzW3W22t7M3V2m5aW5VLVJBWA6aRlm6 PnVrO45gF2BuLEEhd7m/sgWYDUOqp6pGs4k2XZ/wcjDfhwsC3LwN8ESgSoodi70G KfWorDg741gEKHR3M7PWlwUYo5MOAYwnRzDhn7mCI2ppFC9PY8Ffp6NYeOwD2MSO 7pWBcQErkqAOZghHubfde+lbyfaFTXaNFEWFFevQlAYNhbVqkusX+HsIYEZ1xzmg PCt+SsYO0SNa/6VPRMOVRWFwbZ54tkm0N9gPsJdcEEnW9mz3Oy5cfVti1e6SkiJQ x+HMH3T+a1wEBzQgxZMVWyxqcu2lkEVqqs574xmOCu4hsPG0SWDxrt3hlXZt1eiH PZBvM1EqHkm55BnRO8RBa4gBIIqk9yjqfcLb1IHBH2xqqHQhOGFFLAitvy9psgdt ejf2hM2OfU5RdpCIH5me5u3YnyVi8FS6aXE4nyOjHvaoXsii9BgFO8/3k2uRtA== =iSCS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 12/06/2016 07:43 AM, Charles Fox wrote:
I agree Windows would be the weak link, but I think it is easier to persuade someone to install an add-in than to learn Linux.
Please reply inline. It's hard to follow with top-posting. Anyway, oshwm also noted that, with strong encryption, you _and_ Windows both become weak links. See below about Windows. <SNIP>
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Intro/Projects Local Time: December 5, 2016 11:17 PM UTC Time: December 6, 2016 7:17 AM From: oshwm@openmailbox.org To: [random asshole], cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
<SNIP>
If your encryption is sufficiently strong (ppl seem happy with AES256, any better suggestions) and your random number generator wasn't designed or influenced by the NSA then you're likely to keep your information private.
Note that you will then become the weak link and if the information is sufficiently important then it will get painful :)
Right. Against resourceful adversaries, anonymity arguably becomes as important as strong encryption. If they know who to coerce, it doesn't matter so much that they can't break the encryption.
In terms of a Windows (you said Outlook) based remailer then I'd see Windows as the weak link, especially if its v7/8 or 10. Cheers.
The problem with Windows is that there's no way to know what it logs, what information it sends, or where it sends it. So it's impossible to keep anything reliably private. Not your identity. Not any encryption credentials. Nothing is private. So sure, it's probably "easier to persuade someone to install an add-in than to learn Linux". But would that be helping them, or putting them at greater risk, through false belief in privacy and security? I do agree that it's unrealistic to expect most people to dual-boot Windows and Linux. Or to devote a computer to Linux. But installing VirtualBox in Windows is trivial, and most Linux VMs only need 1GB RAM. Also, there are Linux distros that provide a similar desktop experience <http://www.tecmint.com/best-alternative-linux-distributions-for-windows-users/>.
On Dec 6, 2016 4:09 AM, "Elle Phent" <reepublikkkan@sigaint.org> wrote:
Charles Fox: I'm not an anarchist
This isn't anarchist list
This is christian conservitive pro-russian list
I am not a "Christian Conservative Pro-Russia" person. Charles can be exactly who he wants to be and he is and always will be completely free to make part of this list, little troll. Charles, we have members with all kinds of personal and political convictions. I like to say it is an "anarchist list" because usually cypherpunks want deep social and political changes, with no interference of governments. Otherwise, you will see a lot of strange and polemic political positions here. This list is almost a "Political Kama Sutra", with hundreds of different positions and some of them are pretty 'curious' or terribly bizarre, haha!! ;) It's The Cypherpunk's Manifesto: < http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html> "We cannot expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless organizations to grant us privacy out of their beneficence."
please forgive me.
Only Jebus can forgive you
There is absolutely nothing to be forgiven, Charles. You have your personal convictions and you don't need to be an anarchist or the best mega-hyper-wow-master of cryptography to deserve our respect. There is no absolute truth or knowledge in the world. :)
On 12/06/2016 03:30 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
Otherwise, you will see a lot of strange and polemic political positions here. This list is almost a "Political Kama Sutra", with hundreds of different positions and some of them are pretty 'curious' or terribly bizarre, haha!! ;)
Real world politics is complicated. Some people think I'm a 'jewkristiancommie' (Juan). Some think I'm a conservative. Some think I'm a wild-eyed bomb-throwing anarchist black blockhead... Actually, I'm all those things. It you have some 'party line' you're probably not worth having a convo with. Indoctrinated people are boring. Classic example. Here's someone I knew in the 60s who went down with Sam Melville and it's said Melvill died in his arms at Attica. A Navy Hardhat diver wh ran the Committee to support the National Liberation Front, and one of Abbie Hoffman's closest friends. Written by a mutual friend. "October 17, 2010: In early February 2009, I was skimming the Drudge Report and came across a headline that went something like this: Protester Throws Shoes at Mayor of Ithaca, New York. I immediately knew the shoe-thrower was my friend Robin Palmer. Robin died this August at age 80. He was a born rebel and lived in that skin all his life. He was never without a cause. Usually multiple causes. Which sometimes seemed wildly contradictory. Robin ran with the radical left Weathermen in the late 1960's and early '70s. He spent several years in Attica prison for trying to bomb a New York City bank. By this millennium he was sort-of right wing. Why “sort-of”? Robin never regretted his terrorist actions or ceased believing the U.S. was a villain in Vietnam. He referred to Ho Chi Minh as “the George Washington of his people” and felt warmly toward his old Weather-friends, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. When candidate Barack Obama's relationship with Ayers in Chicago became a hot topic during the 2008 presidential race, Robin wrote missives to local newspapers lauding Ayers and defending the Weatherman bombings. When election day rolled around Robin didn't vote for Obama or McCain-- he wrote in Bill Ayers. Flip side: Robin disagreed vehemently with the standard left positions on Cuba and the Mid-East. When Robin denounced Fidel Castro at gatherings of old New Leftists, he was struck from the rad honor roll. (Attica only counted for so much.) His opinions on the Mid-East were equally heretical. Robin was always strongly pro-Israel. Not gung-ho for the PLO. By this millennium he stood 100 percent behind President Bush and the war in Iraq. The shoe hurling incident sprang from that support. The City of Ithaca had passed a resolution condemning the war. By tossing his shoes at the mayor, Robin was tearing a page from the book of Iraqi protesters who did likewise to Bush. Turning it upside down in the process. That's so Robin. I first met Robin in New York City in the Spring of 1968..." More 60s radical history > http://www.qtng.dreamhosters.com//deep_qt/deepqt_robin.html
It's The Cypherpunk's Manifesto: <http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html>
"We cannot expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless organizations to grant us privacy out of their beneficence."
please forgive me.
Only Jebus can forgive you
There is absolutely nothing to be forgiven, Charles. You have your personal convictions and you don't need to be an anarchist or the best mega-hyper-wow-master of cryptography to deserve our respect.
There is no absolute truth or knowledge in the world. :)
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