Another Snowden News Story. Another Lesson in Proper Whistleblowing.
[ED.: given some states pursuing severe charges for merely reporting this information, it seems not entirely disingenuous to position ones self in positive light] --- http://ohtarzie.wordpress.com/2013/10/25/another-snowden-news-story-another-... """ Among the many things I have grown to detest about the Snowden Leaks spectacle is that for every heavily redacted page that’s been revealed — a meagre ~300 pages in five months according to Cryptome.org — we rubes seem to get at least twenty, sometimes very stern, lessons in proper whistleblowing from the the Leaker, the Leak Keepers, the Leak Keeper inner circle, and soldiers in the sycophant army that doltishly parrot and hype everything these people say. The lesson is as follows: 1. Don’t ever just dump your leaks on the internet. 2. Make sure your leaks are properly vetted and mediated by proper mainstream journalists. This lesson is often, perhaps even usually, stated as, or with, some variation of the following: Don’t be like Chelsea Manning and Wikileaks, that is, indiscriminate, reckless and dangerous to both national security and human life... """
coderman:
Don’t be like Chelsea Manning and Wikileaks, that is, indiscriminate, reckless and dangerous to both national security and human life...
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This is total horse shit. It is completely inaccurate and completely insulting to Manning, WikiLeaks and many many others. All the best, Jacob
Suppose it was clear but the quoted text was Coderman paraphrasing the article, and he proceeded to rubbish it also. I find Glen Greenwald makes the most biting and meticulously informed criticism of main-stream-medias systematic and repeated failure to fulfill its fourth estate role. It really is embarrassing how far main stream media have fallen, they seem to have no shame or concept of how craven and spineless they look to the world at large. Even the NYT did some pretty rubbish and spineless stuff on wikileaks, though they've picked up the Snowden story finally a bit. (Approximate impression - I dont read nor listen to much of the MSM for above stated reasons). Adam On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 04:24:50PM +0000, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
coderman:
Don’t be like Chelsea Manning and Wikileaks, that is, indiscriminate, reckless and dangerous to both national security and human life...
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This is total horse shit. It is completely inaccurate and completely insulting to Manning, WikiLeaks and many many others.
On 10/27/2013 05:24 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
coderman:
Don’t be like Chelsea Manning and Wikileaks, that is, indiscriminate, reckless and dangerous to both national security and human life... This is total horse shit. It is completely inaccurate and completely insulting to Manning, WikiLeaks and many many others.
A bit of mis-cue here, Jacob. Coderman is quoting Tarzie's post (http://ohtarzie.wordpress.com/2013/10/25/another-snowden-news-story-another-...). It criticizes *Greenwald* for implying, repeatedly, that whereas Edward Snowden, he, Laura Poitras, and the rest are being "responsible" by holding back and/or redacting 98+% of the NSA material, Manning and WikiLeaks were irresponsible. Thank goodness we've got good, proper gatekeepers on this one, with stellar liberal credentials and the civic spirit to withhold what we need to have withheld from us, drip-feed us heavily-redacted tidbits to "encourage debate" about how best to send the criminal Anglo-American Empire to its room with no supper, and no doubt round-file the rest. Peace, Mike
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On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 06:02:06PM -0400, b. brewer wrote:
Recent tweet: "Glenn Greenwald ?@ggreenwald 42m
A new large country tomorrow morning will learn how many millions of its citizens have their communications data intercepted by the NSA".
Still playing the cat/mouse game of catch and release, stroking ones own ego.
No. Trying to keep short-attention-span people engaged. It might not make a differences, but not even trying would be foolish.
And here I thought he was 'different'.
It's funny that you seem to think wikileaks dumps their leaks indiscriminately, when they have been criticized for holding too much back from the public. It's also funny that you think someone out there has some sort of definition of what "properly vetted" means. Last time I checked, the opinions on that topic span the spectrum. Also, what the fuck are "proper mainstream journalists" because last I checked that definition only applied to obsolete dinosaurs working in "old media". -Jen On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:22 AM, coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:
[ED.: given some states pursuing severe charges for merely reporting this information, it seems not entirely disingenuous to position ones self in positive light]
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http://ohtarzie.wordpress.com/2013/10/25/another-snowden-news-story-another-... """
Among the many things I have grown to detest about the Snowden Leaks spectacle is that for every heavily redacted page that’s been revealed — a meagre ~300 pages in five months according to Cryptome.org — we rubes seem to get at least twenty, sometimes very stern, lessons in proper whistleblowing from the the Leaker, the Leak Keepers, the Leak Keeper inner circle, and soldiers in the sycophant army that doltishly parrot and hype everything these people say. The lesson is as follows:
1. Don’t ever just dump your leaks on the internet. 2. Make sure your leaks are properly vetted and mediated by proper mainstream journalists.
This lesson is often, perhaps even usually, stated as, or with, some variation of the following:
Don’t be like Chelsea Manning and Wikileaks, that is, indiscriminate, reckless and dangerous to both national security and human life...
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