Review Finds No Answers to Mystery of Havana Syndrome
https://news.yahoo.com/review-finds-no-answers-mystery-195351817.html WASHINGTON — For months, the CIA and government scientists have been working to find a cause of the chronic ailments reported by intelligence officers and dipl...
On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 23:52:29 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
https://news.yahoo.com/review-finds-no-answers-mystery-195351817.html
WASHINGTON — For months, the CIA and government scientists have been working to find a cause of the chronic ailments reported by intelligence officers and dipl...
that's so fucking idiotic, even for agent Bell. The US nazis live in their little deranged world where 'mysterious rays' are 'affecting' 'intelligence' US Heros. I mean, seriously, fucking Jim Bell is even worse than professor turd. If taken at face value these fucking, ignorant, evil, idiots will believe ANYTHING their nazi masters tell them to believe.
On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:18 AM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 23:52:29 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
https://news.yahoo.com/review-finds-no-answers-mystery-195351817.html
WASHINGTON — For months, the CIA and government scientists have been working to find a cause of the chronic ailments reported by intelligence officers and dipl...
that's so fucking idiotic, even for agent Bell. The US nazis live in their little deranged world where 'mysterious rays' are 'affecting' 'intelligence' US Heros.
I mean, seriously, fucking Jim Bell is even worse than professor turd.
If taken at face value these fucking, ignorant, evil, idiots will believe ANYTHING their nazi masters tell them to believe.
Punk, be happy that content providers feed you, to keep you busy ... Regards Stefan
Just to relate around this, On 12/4/21, Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:18 AM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 23:52:29 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
https://news.yahoo.com/review-finds-no-answers-mystery-195351817.html
WASHINGTON — For months, the CIA and government scientists have been working to find a cause of the chronic ailments reported by intelligence officers and dipl...
that's so fucking idiotic, even for agent Bell. The US nazis live in their little deranged world where 'mysterious rays' are 'affecting' 'intelligence' US Heros.
I mean, seriously, fucking Jim Bell is even worse than professor turd.
If taken at face value these fucking, ignorant, evil, idiots will believe ANYTHING their nazi masters tell them to believe.
Punk, be happy that content providers feed you, to keep you busy ...
- Punk's email address seems to have made it clear that he only expresses one kind of information on this list. This hasn't been the behavior I've exchanged with his account in private. - The expressions from punk's email address are incredibly annoying and painful. - I, personally, sometimes worry that trolls have been enslaved against their will in some way. - Stefan's email account also talks strangely, often expressing overt support of centralised tech without logical explanation. I don't know why anybody would do that. Hope you both are well, sorry you bumped.
On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 11:07:36 -0500 Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
- Punk's email address seems to have made it clear that he only expresses one kind of information on this list.
yes, I express truth as opposed to the fascist garbage that US turds like you, bell and all the rest constanty spam. but thanks again for 'showing concern' for US government nazis. Those poor 'diplomats' being 'attacked' by red russia!
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 5:08 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Karl,
- Stefan's email account also talks strangely, often expressing overt support of centralised tech without logical explanation. I don't know why anybody would do that.
Not sure what you mean. I always supported decentralization in the global and centralized Internet (a mesh that spans around the globe as a single closed item, compared to decentralized post offices where users can send an encrypted letter from country a to b while the rest can't intercept.) BTW. Not sure if you have access to a good library in your local area. If so, check out the book "The Matrix" from 1990, from John S. Quaterman, which shows you what decentralization is when it comes to global computer networks, compared to Democrat Al Gore's commercial Internet. ;-)
Hope you both are well, sorry you bumped.
No problem Karl and I am fine. Best regards Stefan
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 6:08 PM Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 5:08 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Karl,
- Stefan's email account also talks strangely, often expressing overt support of centralised tech without logical explanation. I don't know why anybody would do that.
Not sure what you mean. I always supported decentralization in the global and centralized Internet (a mesh that spans around the globe as a single closed item, compared to decentralized post offices where users can send an encrypted letter from country a to b while the rest can't intercept.)
BTW. Not sure if you have access to a good library in your local area. If so, check out the book "The Matrix" from 1990, from John S. Quaterman, which shows you what decentralization is when it comes to global computer networks, compared to Democrat Al Gore's commercial Internet. ;-)
P.S. Karl do you know why people cannot get a free of charge additional IPv6 for running services at home to promote decentralization ....??? Regards Stefan
On my end of the universe, Punk's and Stefan's emails both basically demonstrated what I was describing.
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On my end of the universe, Punk's and Stefan's emails both basically demonstrated what I was describing.
on my end of the universe i received what was sent. EOM. and best regards :P -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iNUEAREKAH0WIQRBwSuMMH1+IZiqV4FlqEfnwrk4DAUCYa+p7V8UgAAAAAAuAChp c3N1ZXItZnByQG5vdGF0aW9ucy5vcGVucGdwLmZpZnRoaG9yc2VtYW4ubmV0NDFD MTJCOEMzMDdEN0UyMTk4QUE1NzgxNjVBODQ3RTdDMkI5MzgwQwAKCRBlqEfnwrk4 DMYzAP4iptw5x3ZNrkqXUQQaIjUviRAtiNftetYCQIHRR0ijzQD9EtxAyZRiMkKd Om0FOr4+S6PlzQQ5JT5T685OmkOTBLY= =RQzG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
hey coderman, thanks for your inspiring efforts. On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, 1:37 PM coderman <coderman@protonmail.com> wrote:
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Sunday, December 5, 2021 5:14 PM, Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On my end of the universe, Punk's and Stefan's emails both basically demonstrated what I was describing.
on my end of the universe i received what was sent.
how do you know this?
EOM.
i'm not familiar with the acronym EOM to know subtleties of what it implies. noting it comes before your signature line.
and best regards :P
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On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 5:32 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
hey coderman, thanks for your inspiring efforts.
On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, 1:37 PM coderman <coderman@protonmail.com> wrote:
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On my end of the universe, Punk's and Stefan's emails both basically demonstrated what I was describing.
on my end of the universe i received what was sent.
how do you know this?
EOM.
i'm not familiar with the acronym EOM to know subtleties of what it implies. noting it comes before your signature line.
Maybe it means End Of Message. Regards Stefan
and best regards :P
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On Wed, Dec 8, 2021, 2:04 PM Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 5:32 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
hey coderman, thanks for your inspiring efforts.
On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, 1:37 PM coderman <coderman@protonmail.com> wrote:
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Sunday, December 5, 2021 5:14 PM, Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On my end of the universe, Punk's and Stefan's emails both basically demonstrated what I was describing.
on my end of the universe i received what was sent.
how do you know this?
EOM.
i'm not familiar with the acronym EOM to know subtleties of what it
implies. noting it comes before your signature line.
Maybe it means End Of Message.
Regards Stefan
i'm clear on that but it wasn't used that way
and best regards :P
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\>> > On my end of the universe, Punk's and Stefan's emails both basically
demonstrated what I was describing.
on my end of the universe i received what was sent.
how do you know this?
EOM.
i'm not familiar with the acronym EOM to know subtleties of what it implies. noting it comes before your signature line.
I think part of me might have figured this out. I need to get set up with a private key again.
and best regards :P
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EOM.
i'm not familiar with the acronym EOM to know subtleties of what it implies. noting it comes before your signature line.
sorry Karl, it's an acronym for End Of Message. similar to End Of Text (ETX) and End Of Transmission (EOT)... speaking of Havana Syndrome :P https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7nzkq/stanford-professor-garry-nolan-analyz... Stanford Professor Garry Nolan Is Analyzing Anomalous Materials From UFO Crashes A Q&A with one of the foremost scientists studying UAPs, and what he hopes to learn by systematically studying bizarre and difficult-to-explain incidents. TC by [Thobey Campion](https://www.vice.com/en/contributor/thobey-campion) December 10, 2021, 10:18am - - - Dr. Garry Nolan is a Professor of Pathology at Stanford University. His research ranges from cancer to systems immunology. Dr. Nolan has also spent the last ten years working with a number of individual analyzing materials from alleged Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. His robust resume—300 research articles, 40 US patents, founding of eight biotech companies, and honored as one of Stanford’s top 25 inventors—makes him, easily, one of the most accomplished scientists publicly studying UAPs. Advertisement Motherboard sat down with Garry to discuss his work. It has been edited for length and clarity. [For more with Dr. Garry Nolan, watch this interview with [Jesse Michels on American Alchemy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzTZbSNsKV8).] MOTHERBOARD: How long have you had an interest in UAPs? Dr. Garry Nolan: I’ve always been an avid reader of science fiction, so it was natural at some point that when YouTube videos about UFOs began to make the rounds I might watch a few. I noticed that this guy at the time, [Steven Greer](https://variety.com/2020/film/reviews/close-encounters-of-the-fifth-kind-rev...), had claimed that a little skeleton might be an alien. I remember thinking, 'Oh, I can prove or disprove that.' And so I reached out to him. I eventually showed that it wasn't an alien, it was human. We explain a fair amount about why it looked the way it did. It had a number of mutations in skeletal genes that could potentially explain the biology. The UFO community didn't like me saying that. But you know, the truth is in the science. So, I had no problem just stating the facts. We [published a paper](https://genome.cshlp.org/content/early/2018/03/21/gr.223693.117) and it ended up going worldwide. It was on the front page of just about every major newspaper. What's more appealing or clickbait than ‘Stanford professor sequences alien baby’? [Screen Shot 2021-12-10 at 12.10.35 PM.png] The Atacama Skeleton. Photo: Bhattacharya S et al. 2018 / Genome Research That ended up bringing me to the attention of some people associated with the CIA and some aeronautics corporations. At the time, they had been investigating a number of cases of pilots who'd gotten close to supposed UAPs and the fields generated by them, as was claimed by the people who showed up at my office unannounced one day. There was enough drama around the Atacama skeleton that I had basically decided to forswear all continued involvement in this area. Then these guys showed up and said, ‘We need you to help us with this because we want to do blood analysis and everybody says that you've got the best blood analysis instrumentation on the planet.’ Then they started showing the MRIs of some of these pilots and ground personnel and intelligence agents who had been damaged. The MRIs were clear. You didn't even have to be an MD to see that there was a problem. Some of their brains were horribly, horribly damaged. And so that's what kind of got me involved. Does the Department of Pathology at Stanford have a track record of pulling practical jokes on you? I thought it was a practical joke at the beginning. But no, nobody was pulling a practical joke. And just as an aside, the school is completely supportive, and always has been of the work that I've been doing. When the Atacama thing hit the fan, they stepped in and helped me deal with the public relations issues around it. Advertisement Are you able to mention which folks from which governmental departments other than aeronautics approached you?No, I'm not. Can you describe the more anomalous effects on the brains you observed with the MRIs?If you've ever looked at an MRI of somebody with multiple sclerosis, there's something called white matter disease. It's scarring. It's a big white blob, or multiple white blobs, scattered throughout the MRI. It's essentially dead tissue where the immune system has attacked the brain. That's probably the closest thing that you could come to if you wanted to look at a snapshot from one of these individuals. You can pretty quickly see that there's something wrong. [3 - brain damage.png] Left - Normal brain; Right - Injury and resulting white matter disease. Photo: Anonymous. How many patients did you take a look at in that first phase?It was around 100 patients. They were almost all defense or governmental personnel or people working in the aerospace industry; people doing government-level work. Here's how it works: Let's say that a Department of Defense personnel gets damaged or hurt. Odd cases go up the chain of command, at least within the medical branch. If nobody knows what to do with it, it goes over to what's called the weird desk, where things get thrown in a bucket. Then somebody eventually says, ‘Oh, there's enough interesting things in this bucket worth following up on that all look reasonably similar.’ Science works by comparing things that are similar and dissimilar to other things. Enough people were having very similar kinds of bad things happen to them, that it came to the attention of a guy by the name of Dr. [Kit Green](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9382232/leaked-memo-suggests-fake-roswell-alie...). He was in charge of studying some of these individuals. You have a smorgasbord of patients, some of whom had heard weird noises buzzing in their head, got sick, etc. A reasonable subset of them had claimed to have seen UAPs and some claimed to be close to things that got them sick. Let me show you the MRIs of the brains of some of these people. [4 - Hypo.png] Hypermorphism in Head of Caudate<-->Putamen. Photo: Garry Nolan. We started to notice that there were similarities in what we thought was the damage across multiple individuals. As we looked more closely, though, we realized, well, that can't be damaged, because that's right in the middle of the basal ganglia [a group of nuclei responsible for [motor control and other core brain functions](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543080/)]. If those structures were severely damaged, these people would be dead. That was when we realized that these people were not damaged, but had an over-connection of neurons between the head of the caudate and the putamen [The caudate nucleus plays a critical role in various higher neurological functions; the putamen influences motor planning, learning, and execution]. If you looked at 100 average people, you wouldn’t see this kind of density. But these individuals had it. An open question is: did coming in contact with whatever it was cause it or not? For a couple of these individuals we had MRIs from prior years. They had it before they had these incidents. It was pretty obvious, then, that this was something that people were born with. It's a goal sub-goal setting planning device, it's called the brain within the brain. It's an extraordinary thing. This area of the brain is involved (partly) in what we call intuition. For instance, [Japanese chess players were measured as they made what would be construed as a brilliant decision that is not obvious for anybody to have made that kind of leap of intuition](https://www.bbc.com/news/health-12250687), this area of the brain lights up. We had found people who had this in spades. These are all so called high-functioning people. They're pilots who are making split second decisions, intelligence officers in the field, etc. Advertisement Everybody has this connectivity region in general, but let’s say for the average person that the density level is 1x. Most of the people in the study had 5x to 10x and up to 15x, the normal density in this region. In this case we are speculating that density implies some sort of neuronal function. [5 - Genetics.png] Correlation between genetics caudate<-->putamen density. Did the people who claimed that they'd had an encounter, especially the pilots, describe any perceivable decrease in neurological capacity? Of the 100 or so patients that we looked at, about a quarter of them died from their injuries. The majority of these patients had symptomology that's basically identical to what's now called Havana syndrome. We think amongst this bucket list of cases, we had the first Havana syndrome patients. Once this turned into a national security problem with the Havana syndrome I was locked out of all of the access to the files because it's now a serious potential international incident if they ever figured out who's been doing it. That still left individuals who had seen UAPs. They didn't have Havana syndrome. They had a smorgasbord of other symptoms. How does the impact of electromagnetic frequencies factor into your hypotheses about what exactly transpired here?With one of the patients, it happened on the [Skinwalker Ranch](https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7qb54/inside-skinwalker-ranch-a-paranormal-...). Given how deep into their brain the damage went, we can actually estimate the amount of energy required in the electromagnetic wave someone aimed at them. We don't think that has anything to do with UAPs. We think that that's some sort of a state actor and again related to Havana syndrome somehow. [6 - Brain Damage.jpg] Brain damage from Skinwalker Ranch Other than MRIs, what technologies were you using to analyze the patients?We did a deep psychological evaluation of all of these people, just to make sure that they were stable and we were not dealing with obviously delusional individuals. My role in the initial project was analysis on blood, using a [device called CyTOF](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyTOF) which was something that I had been involved in the development of. The problem was that we couldn't really conclude very much because many of the cases happened years before I ended up getting the blood. With an acute injury to be seen in some telltale signature, we need to collect the within four or five days or a couple of weeks, but blood from an individual a couple of years out will not be useful. What I told the people in the government is I need access to their blood while the case is still acute. Is there anything man-made that might have this impact on the brain?The only thing I can imagine is you're standing next to an electric transformer that's emitting so much energy that you're basically getting burned inside your body. [7 - Radiation.png] Depth of ionizing radiation Are you simply attempting to document what you see? Or are you looking for a cause as well?Yes, it's kind of the natural way that science is done. First, you catalog, then you organize and then you say: well, this is similar to that and this other thing is similar to that but why is this other thing different? And then, if you have enough data, you start to look for causes. I do that every day with our cancer work. We always try to come up with hypotheses on why something is. Hypotheses are innumerable—they are proof of nothing. So, I am careful NOT to come to a premature conclusion because you only need one disproof to undermine a hypothesis. That's what I'm trying to stay away from. I have my private thoughts about what I think is going on, and some of them I'm very, very sure about. I'm open to being wrong. Except most of the time, I know I'm probably right. You've also analyzed inanimate materials like alleged UAP fragments...You've probably heard of Jacques Vallée, Kit Green, Eric Davis and Colm Kelleher. All roads lead to them when it comes to UAP. I basically became friends with that whole group; they call it The Invisible College. When they found out some of the instruments that I had developed, using mass spectrometry, they asked if I could analyze UAP material, and tell them something about it. That led to the development of a roadmap of how to analyze these things. [8 - Invisible College.png] The Invisible College. From left: Douglass Price-Williams, David Saunders, Leo Sprinkle, Dick Henry, Jacques Vallée, J. Allen Hynek, Claude Poher, and Fred Beckman. Photo: Ted Phillips Some of the objects are nondescript, and just lumps of metal. Mostly, there's nothing unusual about them except that everywhere you look in the metal, the composition is different, which is odd. It's what we call inhomogeneous. That’s a fancy way of saying 'incompletely mixed.' The common thing about all the materials that I've looked at so far, and there's about a dozen, is that almost none of them are uniform. They're all these hodgepodge mixtures. Each individual case will be composed of a similar set of elements, but they will be inhomogeneous. [9 - Muestra.jpeg] Material samples from Ubatuba. Chart: Garry Nolan One of the materials from the [so called Ubatuba event](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237309319_On_Events_Possibly_Relate...) [a UAP event in Brazil], has extraordinarily altered isotope ratios of magnesium. It was interesting because another piece from the same event was analyzed in the same instrument at the same time. This is an extraordinarily sensitive instrument called a nanoSIMS - Secondary Ion Mass Spec. It had perfectly correct isotope ratios for what you would expect for magnesium found anywhere on Earth. Meanwhile, the other one was just way off. Like 30 percent off the ratios. The problem is there's no good reason humans have for altering the isotope ratios of a simple metal like magnesium. There's no different properties of the different isotopes, that anybody, at least in any of the literature that is public of the hundreds of thousands of papers published, that says this is why you would do that. Now you can do it. It's a little expensive to do, but you'd have no reason for doing it. I mean, let’s think about what people use isotopes for today. Most of the time humans use isotopes to blow stuff up—uranium or plutonium—or to poison someone, or used as a tracer in order to kill cancer. But those are very, very specific cases. We are almost always only using radioactive isotopes. We don't ever change the isotope ratios of stable isotopes except perhaps as a tracer. What that means is that if you find a metal where the isotope ratios are changed far beyond what is normally found in nature, then that material has likely been engineered—the material is downstream of a process that caused them to be altered. Someone did it. The questions are who… and why? [10 - Muestra2.jpg] Material samples from Ubatuba. Chart: Garry Nolan So, now, let's look at what these materials are claimed to be. In almost every case, these are the leftovers of some sort of process that these objects spit out. So you go look at the cases where molten metal falls from these objects. Why would [30 pounds of a molten metal fall from a flying object](https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.557.5849&rep=rep1&type=pdf)? What are the circumstances in some of these cases? For instance, in some cases the witnesses state that the observed objects appeared unstable, or in some kind of distress. Then, it spits out 'a bunch of stuff.' Now the object appears it's stable and it moves off. It looks like it fixed itself. One hypothesis would be that the material it offloads is part of the mechanism the object uses for moving around, and when things get out of whack, the object has to offload it. It just drops this stuff to the ground, kind of like the exhaust. That begs the question (again assuming the things are real at all): what are they using it for? If there's altered isotope ratios, are they using the altered isotope ratios? Are the altered ratios the result of the propulsion mechanism? Again, pure speculation: When the ratios get that far out of whack, do they have to offload because it's no longer useful in propulsion? Smarter people than me will come up with better reasons—but this is the fun of the science. The data is there… the explanation is not. Advertisement How many objects have you checked out that are not playing by our rules?So of the 10 or 12 that I've looked at, two seem to be not playing by our rules. That doesn't mean that they're levitating, on my desk or anything, it just means that they have altered isotope ratios. Have you ever used a super quantum interference device?We will likely be using SQUIDs in a new device that can determine the atomic structure of anything, at a sub-angstrom resolution. There's no device in the world that can do that today, especially of an amorphous object. We can do crystals, we can do little bits of biology with what's called cryo-EM. But this device supersedes all of them. So I'm talking with the government about building that. Are the devices and methods that you have available to you in terms of being able to analyze this material sufficient? In a perfect world, what would you want to see? Depending on how deep you want to go, each analysis costs anywhere from $10,000 to $20,000. That tells you what the atoms are, what the isotope ratios are, crystalline quality—a lot of things that are sort of standard materials analysis. The point of doing this though is to figure out what it was used for. To do that, eventually, you do need to get down to the atomic level. Let's say we didn't have transistors today and one of these objects dropped a big chunk of germanium doped with other elements, or, you know, these little transistors. We would not have a clue as to the function, and we would ask 'why would anyone put arrays of germanium with these strange impurities in them… what is this thing?' Anybody who's engineering materials these days for doing any kind of advanced electronics and photonics understands that where the atoms are in the structure matters. There's a thing that's often used in biology called the structure-function relationship. Structure defines the function. Sometimes, if you can just see the structure, you can understand the function. I can look at a heart and watch a little bit of how it moves and understand its function. I can look at the tubes in your veins and say, that function is to carry blood. As we're looking at the structure of cells, when we see the structure of a protein, we can get a sense of how it's operating. So that's really what it's about. The next frontier of materials study is atomic. If you want to understand something very advanced, you better have something like this in your back pocket.
Stefan, I read your reply here as an attempt to disregard and devalue what I was mentioning, and I was thinking, and realised that usually people are just not considering the same things. It's hard to remember this, and I'm sorry I interpreted you this way. On Sun, Dec 5, 2021, 12:08 PM Stefan Claas < spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 5:08 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Karl,
- Stefan's email account also talks strangely, often expressing overt support of centralised tech without logical explanation. I don't know why anybody would do that.
Not sure what you mean. I always supported decentralization in the global and centralized Internet (a mesh that spans around the globe as a single closed item,
I don't see how "spanning the globe" is "centralized" or how the internet is "closed" and it's hard for me to take the expression seriously when I read it on this list. I do see that there is a lot of bounding around e.g. the IP and TCP protocols and certain physical infrastructure, and that it's classist in that you need access to technology to use it, and how dependence on these introduces similar problems as centralization. Is this what you meant? I still interpret the internet as a point to point routing system with fault management. When that's not true, we see it as a break. compared to decentralized
post offices where users can send an encrypted letter from country a to b while the rest can't intercept.)
When you say "can't intercept" here, I don't know how to interpret it. Letters can be physically followed at a human pace and are poorly secured, and delivery is managed by government-ordered bodies that can be authorised to search them. I've had my mail copied and also opened in transit, myself. When I was a kid, I looked inside others' mailboxes for fun. It's hard to encrypt an envelope, etc. I do think postal encrypted messages are really great and it's quite heartening to read of you doing this. Far, far easier to hack your network interface to upload video of your face, than your stack of stamps and envelopes. Post offices strike me as centralised, messaging in general decentralised, maybe I am wrong. BTW. Not sure if you have access to a good library in
your local area. If so, check out the book "The Matrix" from 1990, from John S. Quaterman, which shows you what decentralization is when it comes to global computer networks, compared to Democrat Al Gore's commercial Internet. ;-)
Hope you both are well, sorry you bumped.
No problem Karl and I am fine.
Best regards Stefan
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 3:36 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
Stefan, I read your reply here as an attempt to disregard and devalue what I was mentioning, and I was thinking, and realised that usually people are just not considering the same things. It's hard to remember this, and I'm sorry I interpreted you this way.
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021, 12:08 PM Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Karl, simply said, If I communicate with you on a sphere the third party on that sphere can intercept our communications, when it spans like a closed mesh around the sphere. When we both communicate on that sphere from one dot not physically connected to the other dot, and third parties do not know which dots we both use, because they are not connected, it is IMHO not so easy to intercept us. As you may know, or not if you have for example an Amazon account you can purchase there security envelopes, which shows you that a third party had opened the envelope. I had these discussions long ago on the GnuPG List. Best regards and Good Night Stefan
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 5:08 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Karl,
- Stefan's email account also talks strangely, often expressing overt support of centralised tech without logical explanation. I don't know why anybody would do that.
Not sure what you mean. I always supported decentralization in the global and centralized Internet (a mesh that spans around the globe as a single closed item,
I don't see how "spanning the globe" is "centralized" or how the internet is "closed" and it's hard for me to take the expression seriously when I read it on this list. I do see that there is a lot of bounding around e.g. the IP and TCP protocols and certain physical infrastructure, and that it's classist in that you need access to technology to use it, and how dependence on these introduces similar problems as centralization. Is this what you meant?
I still interpret the internet as a point to point routing system with fault management. When that's not true, we see it as a break.
compared to decentralized post offices where users can send an encrypted letter from country a to b while the rest can't intercept.)
When you say "can't intercept" here, I don't know how to interpret it. Letters can be physically followed at a human pace and are poorly secured, and delivery is managed by government-ordered bodies that can be authorised to search them. I've had my mail copied and also opened in transit, myself. When I was a kid, I looked inside others' mailboxes for fun. It's hard to encrypt an envelope, etc.
I do think postal encrypted messages are really great and it's quite heartening to read of you doing this. Far, far easier to hack your network interface to upload video of your face, than your stack of stamps and envelopes.
Post offices strike me as centralised, messaging in general decentralised, maybe I am wrong.
BTW. Not sure if you have access to a good library in your local area. If so, check out the book "The Matrix" from 1990, from John S. Quaterman, which shows you what decentralization is when it comes to global computer networks, compared to Democrat Al Gore's commercial Internet. ;-)
Hope you both are well, sorry you bumped.
No problem Karl and I am fine.
Best regards Stefan
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 6:51 PM Stefan Claas <spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 3:36 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
Stefan, I read your reply here as an attempt to disregard and devalue
what I was mentioning, and I was thinking, and realised that usually people are just not considering the same things. It's hard to remember this, and I'm sorry I interpreted you this way.
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021, 12:08 PM Stefan Claas <
spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Karl,
simply said, If I communicate with you on a sphere the third party on that sphere can intercept our communications, when it spans like a closed mesh around the sphere.
When we both communicate on that sphere from one dot not physically connected to the other dot, and third parties do not know which dots we both use, because they are not connected, it is IMHO not so easy to intercept us.
As you may know, or not if you have for example an Amazon account you can purchase there security envelopes, which shows you that a third party had opened the envelope. I had these discussions long ago on the GnuPG List.
Best regards and Good Night Stefan
Thanks, Stefan. I still don't see how the internet is more interceptable than government postal mail, but I infer it is mostly due to my lack of experience and knowledge. I websearched a little for your name and some keywords to find the discussions you mention. There are a lot of results and I haven't found them yet. Thank you for your tolerance and friendliness with me and with us.
It still sounds like people haven't realised/publicly discussed putting biosignals lifelogging devices on diplomats to keep them safe and discern the problem, but when all other options are eliminated ... I don't really trust these mainstream channels given links to medical reports on this have been taken down after the fact (see earlier cypherpunks forward from me on this topic, which linked to archive.org [ping me if i never actually forwarded this]). Julian E. Barnes and Adam Goldman Fri, December 3, 2021, 2:53 PM·7 min read In this article: William J. Burns American diplomat William Burns, center, the Central Intelligence Agency director, testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Oct. 27, 2021. (Al Drago/The New York Times) William Burns, center, the Central Intelligence Agency director, testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Oct. 27, 2021. (Al Drago/The New York Times) WASHINGTON — For months, the CIA and government scientists have been working to find a cause of the chronic ailments reported by intelligence officers and diplomats — but the health incidents, known as the Havana syndrome, remain as mysterious now as they were a year ago. Intelligence officials have not found any hard evidence that points to a cause. There are no intelligence intercepts implicating an adversarial spy service. No one has detected microwaves, other readings of energy pulses or any other weapons that could be to blame. Some officials say they remain convinced Russia is involved. And CIA Director William Burns delivered a warning during his trip to Moscow last month: If Russia was found to be responsible, there would be consequences. Sign up for The Morning newsletter from the New York Times The trouble developing evidence shows the difficulty of the problem, and suggests that absent a big breakthrough — evidence of someone using a device or an informant telling the CIA about what is afoot — getting answers will be a slow, frustrating and potentially contentious process, especially for those who have been afflicted. Some outside experts have raised the possibility that the symptoms — chronic headache, vertigo, nausea and others — are a kind of psychosomatic reaction to stress, a so-called “functional illness” — a suggestion rejected by victims and many government officials. Some scientists believe sensory discomfort — such as the strange sounds, heat or pressure associated with Havana syndrome cases, coupled with anxiety — can trigger real symptoms and sickness. There have now been 750 official reports of possible anomalous health incidents, according to people briefed on the cases, but about three-quarters are no longer being investigated as likely cases of Havana syndrome. Some reports lacked the required sensory experience, such as heat, pressure or sound, before the symptoms’ onset, and others were found to have separate environmental or medical explanations. Of those cases, it is possible some may turn out to be psychosomatic, according to people briefed on the intelligence. But of the approximately 200 cases of mysterious incidents still under active examination, the Biden administration does not think they were caused by functional illness or other psychosomatic reactions. In those cases, a U.S. official said, multiple explanations remain possible, including directed energy, sonic devices or other medical explanations. Directed energy, such as microwaves, remains one of the theories, perhaps the leading theory, according to American officials. But, so far, the CIA has been unable to collect hard evidence to show that any of the people suffering from symptoms of Havana syndrome have been hit with some sort of energy pulse. Across the government, agencies are searching for clues they may have missed that could help unravel the mystery, according to officials familiar with the efforts. The examination, including the FBI, National Security Agency and CIA, involves reviewing forensic evidence, including surveillance tapes from American embassies. The government is also putting measures in place to detect any directed energy aimed at American diplomats and spies abroad. One official said the work showed that the various agencies were determined to get to the bottom of what is happening. But, the official cautioned, the work could take time. The government needed to find “the right answer,” not “the easy answer, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because much of the government’s work to determine a cause of the incidents is classified. U.S. officials have repeatedly said that the symptoms people are suffering from are real and that the CIA, the Biden administration and Congress have taken steps to improve access to medical care and improve compensation for victims who can no longer work. “What I know, having talked to dozens and dozens of my colleagues who have been victimized, is that real harm is being done to real people,” Burns told a congressional hearing last month. In a report last year, the National Academy of Sciences concluded that a microwave weapon — a form of pulsed directed energy — was the most likely cause. Recent studies have indicated that directed energy or microwaves could cause brain injuries and symptoms like those of Havana syndrome. Others briefed on the intelligence said the lack of evidence is baffling, since the kinds of directed energy known to cause injury ought to be detectable. The absence of proof could mean an adversarial power is using a technology that is unknown, and undetectable, to the United States. It could also mean that the theory that directed energy is being used is wrong. Some officials inside the government are convinced Russia is responsible for at least some of the incidents, and has deliberately targeted U.S. military personnel and CIA operatives. In his trip last month to Moscow, Burns told Russian officials that any sort of operation that caused severe brain injuries for U.S. personnel was out of bounds for Russia’s spy services, and that there would be consequences if Russia is shown to be responsible, according to people briefed on the conversations. The Washington Post earlier reported Burns’ warning to Russian officials. It was the second time that senior American officials have raised the issue with their Russian counterparts, who have consistently denied involvement. President Joe Biden raised the issue with Russian President Vladimir Putin in their Geneva summit this year. U.S. intelligence agencies have also not been able to intercept any communications about rival foreign services using a device on U.S. diplomats or spies. Getting an informant that could shed light on what foreign intelligence agencies or intercepting communications of rival spies is a top priority for intelligence agencies, according to people briefed on the inquiry. What is more, medical personnel working with the intelligence agencies have also not been able to develop a concrete diagnosis or any kind of test that can determine who has been a victim and who has other kinds of medical ailments. Individual victims have said their doctors have found blood markers consistent with concussions and brain scans showing injury or nerve damage. But investigators looking at the broad group of victims who have reported symptoms have not been able to find a pattern, such as a diagnostic test result the victims have in common. Mark Lenzi, a State Department official who was injured in Guangzhou, China, said cognitive tests in many people with Havana syndrome show similar deficits, particularly in exercises involving 3D-shape rotations. Such tests are given to fighter pilots, and both the Air Force and Navy tested Lenzi earlier in his career, results that can be compared to more recent evaluations. The government, Lenzi said, has readings that show the presence of dangerous levels of microwave energy in China. In an unclassified workers’ compensation report he filed with the Labor Department, Lenzi recounted how his neighbor in China used a commercial detector to record high levels of microwave energy in the apartment next to his. But follow-up tests by the government used a classified device widely known not to be as reliable at detecting directed energy, said Lenzi, whose work involves countering foreign eavesdropping including by using directed energy. When the government says directed energy is a theory but there is no evidence, “That is simply not true,” Lenzi said “They have readings, especially in Guangzhou,” he said. To lead the effort to find a cause of the incidents, and improve the medical care for those hurt by them, the CIA has formed the Global Health Incident Cell, a group that has been reviewing all of the reports. A senior U.S. official said the intelligence agencies “want a breakthrough because we want to know the thing or things that is producing harm.” Finding an answer, whatever it is, could not only help the government stop what is causing them, but also help doctors treat the ailments. Some former government officials say the episodes stretch back decades. Listening devices used by the Russian government in the 1990s and aimed at CIA officers working in the U.S. Embassy are believed by some to have caused nausea and other symptoms. But the most recent spate of incidents began in late 2016 in Cuba, where 40 CIA officers and diplomats said they heard strange noises, then reported headaches and nausea in episodes through May 2018. Those exposed the longest have reported chronic disabilities. Since then, American diplomats have been injured in Guangzhou and other cities in China. More than two dozen American officials have reported symptoms in Vienna. There have been other reports around the world involving military officers, CIA personnel and diplomats. © 2021 The New York Times Company
I websearched around a bit and this article from a couple months ago has more poignant information regarding Mark Lenzi, a security engineer who was targeted and pursued action: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/25/state-department-2018-directed-ener... That older article also has links to scans of primary documents.
From the field, examination disclosure forms: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017c-b7d3-d8e1-a57c-ffff023f0000 and test results: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017c-b7cd-d8e1-a57c-fffd2c6d0000 Memo indicating obstruction of investigation: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017c-b7d3-dddc-a77e-b7d3defa0000 Enrollment form for study: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017c-b7d4-d3c9-a77c-bfde830b0000 Diagnosis with brain injury: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017c-b7d2-dddc-a77e-b7d38ac60000
Additionally, it says the "crickets" theory was disproven and links to this article: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/seized-some-invisible-han... There are further links to documents and other articles in the article. The plaintext is pasted below. State Department tested diplomats for 'directed energy exposure' years before telling Congress A whistleblower victim provided new documents to POLITICO and is alleging retaliation for speaking out. Mark Lenzi, a U.S. State Department security engineer. Mark Lenzi is a U.S. State Department security engineer who was among several diplomats evacuated in 2018 from the U.S. Consulate in Guangzhou, China. | Rodrique Ngowi/AP Photo By ANDREW DESIDERIO and LARA SELIGMAN 10/25/2021 11:56 AM EDT Updated: 10/25/2021 03:07 PM EDT The State Department was zeroing in on directed-energy weapons as a possible source of U.S. diplomats’ mysterious brain injuries more than two years before detailing those suspicions to members of Congress, according to documents obtained by POLITICO. As early as mid-2018, the State Department was administering its own internal medical tests specifically designed to evaluate patients who experienced “directed energy exposure” on foreign soil, according to two victims’ disclosure forms for the examinations. Both of their test results led to their immediate return to the U.S. One of those victims, current State Department official Mark Lenzi, sustained traumatic brain injuries while on assignment in Guangzhou, China, in late 2017, when he was working as a security engineering officer in the Bureau of Diplomatic Security. It wasn’t until June 2018 that Lenzi was evaluated for directed-energy exposure, more than six months after first informing his superiors about his symptoms. Days after failing the medical test, he and his family were medically evacuated from Guangzhou. Lenzi has accused the State Department of covering up the source of his and other diplomats’ ailments and withholding information from Congress. Lawmakers were not briefed on the department’s medical tests for directed-energy exposure until early 2021, POLITICO previously reported, even though State was administering those exams to diplomats as early as 2018. Lenzi provided documents to POLITICO that detail his claims that State’s leadership has retaliated against him for speaking out publicly and for working with the members of Congress who have been investigating the matter. The federal agency that handles whistleblower claims previously found “a substantial likelihood of wrongdoing” in the case of Lenzi and his claims of retaliation, according to an April 2020 Office of Special Counsel memo. That retaliation probe is ongoing. A separate document shows that just last month, Lenzi’s administrative leave — which he relies on to attend therapy sessions and participate in medical studies — was revoked without explanation. The documents, which have not been previously reported, shed new light on the government’s handling of the unexplained health incidents that have afflicted more than 200 American personnel — diplomats and intelligence officers alike — in foreign countries and on U.S. soil since 2016. It comes as victims such as Lenzi have grown frustrated with what they say is the department’s slow and inconsistent response to the incidents over the years, spanning three presidential administrations. The State Department has been accused of downplaying both the symptoms and the cause — sentiments that were expressed directly to Secretary of State Antony Blinken during a tense September phone call with affected diplomats. Members of Congress have urged the Biden administration to do more to help victims such as Lenzi, and some fault the State Department for its handling of the matter. “The State Department has not treated this syndrome as seriously as it should. And that is very disturbing to me,” Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), who has spoken with Lenzi and sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said in an interview. A State Department spokesperson declined to discuss the details of Lenzi’s specific case, citing privacy concerns. “The safety of our personnel is our highest priority,” the spokesperson added. “We take every report we receive extremely seriously, and we are doing everything we can to ensure affected individuals get the best care and treatment.” In a statement to POLITICO, Lenzi said the State Department’s handling of the issue has deteriorated under Blinken. "On his first day as secretary of State, Secretary Blinken — who I know and have the utmost respect for — told the Department of State workforce that he ‘would not tolerate retaliation against whistleblowers,’” Lenzi said. “However, under his tenure, retaliation against me by the State Department’s Diplomatic Security Bureau for my whistleblowing activities with the U.S. Office of Special Counsel and with Congress has actually increased.” 2018 test indicated directed energy suspicions Victims of so-called Havana Syndrome have reported an array of debilitating symptoms in what the Biden administration officially refers to as “anomalous health incidents.” The cases were first reported in Havana, Cuba, in 2016. While the U.S. has yet to publicly assign a cause or culprit for the symptoms, top officials and scientists are increasingly confident that they are the result of directed-energy attacks by a foreign government — likely Russia, according to intelligence officials — and the Biden administration has been providing weekly updates to the congressional intelligence committees. Sen. Marco Rubio listens. FOREIGN POLICY U.S. investigators increasingly confident directed-energy attacks behind Havana Syndrome BY ANDREW DESIDERIO AND LARA SELIGMAN The State Department’s apparent understanding in 2018 that Lenzi’s symptoms could have been caused by directed energy came two years before a National Academy of Sciences report declassified and published in 2020 concluded that “directed, pulsed radio frequency energy” was the likely source of the ailments. The number of suspected attacks on diplomats and CIA officers has risen substantially in the past year and have been reported on every continent except Antarctica. The new documents do not detail the scientific analysis underpinning the medical examinations. But lawmakers from both parties have accused various executive branch agencies of holding back critical information about the government’s investigation into Havana Syndrome, especially during the Trump administration. In the meantime, some skeptics have asserted that the symptoms are the result of a psychogenic illness, exposure to chemicals or a specific species of crickets — though the latter has since been discounted. Medical experts and intelligence officials have said publicly and told Congress in the past year that the symptoms likely stem from a directed-energy attack on the individual or an effort by a hostile foreign government seeking to steal data from the target’s devices. MOST READ Charlie Baker ‘A real fight for our existence’: Massachusetts GOP spirals in Baker exit CNN fires Chris Cuomo Feds could release 'alternative' Mueller report soon Appeals court mulls suit against Trump over rape denial Harris allies want her to take the reins as a staff shakeup looms President Joe Biden’s national security team has placed a renewed focus on the mysterious incidents, with CIA Director William Burns taking the lead in a governmentwide effort that was largely nonexistent during the previous administration. And Biden recently signed bipartisan legislation, the HAVANA Act, to expand victims’ access to medical treatment for their symptoms, which include piercing headaches, memory loss, dizziness, intense ringing and pressure in the ears, and even permanent brain damage. A senior administration official reiterated the White House’s position on the source of Havana Syndrome — that the intelligence community is “actively examining a range of hypotheses, but has made no determination about the cause of these incidents or who is responsible.” ‘The department’s current medical assessment has evolved’ After Lenzi began experiencing symptoms of the mysterious ailment in China, he and 40 other diplomats in China and Cuba were given a series of tests called the Havana Acquired Brain Injury Tool, or HABIT, which were developed and administered by State Department medical personnel. The State Department describes the HABIT tests as “a clinical assessment tool designed with clinical researchers to evaluate medical findings associated with directed energy exposure in certain foreign environments,” according to copies of two HABIT disclosure forms dated June 1, 2018. The series of exams, administered by State Department doctors, test the patients’ brain function and eye movements in order to determine whether a brain injury has occurred. The 41 diplomats who failed the HABIT tests — 26 from Cuba and 15 from China, including Lenzi — were medically evacuated and sent for additional testing at the Penn Center for Brain Injury and Repair at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia. When asked about the HABIT test, the State Department spokesperson said the department “for the last several years has utilized a tool that comprehensively evaluates reported anomalous health incidents in neurological, cognitive, vestibular, auditory, and visual domains.” The spokesperson said the 2018 test and its mention of directed-energy “do not align with the department’s current medical evaluation procedures.” “The department’s current medical assessment has evolved since 2018 with expert guidance from medical providers who have cared for patients since 2018,” the spokesperson added. Lenzi enrolled in a University of Pennsylvania research study titled “Investigational Link Between Uncharacterized Environmental Exposure and Acquired Brain Injury,” on June 20, 2018. The study was led by Douglas Smith, a neurologist at the school’s Perelman School of Medicine, and at the time was sponsored by the U.S. government, according to Lenzi’s enrollment forms. It was to stretch for five years and include a number of blood draws and MRI scans. But just two months later, the U.S. government was no longer listed as a sponsor. A consent form dated Aug. 24, 2018, stated that the study was sponsored by Penn’s Department of Neurosurgery. The State Department spokesperson declined to address the change directly, saying only that “we never pulled funding from a Penn study” and “the department continues to engage interagency partners, academics, and scientific experts on mitigation efforts.” Lenzi was diagnosed with a brain injury on June 22, 2018, by Teena Shetty, a neurologist at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York, according to the documents he provided. Shetty recommended additional treatment, as well as physical restrictions such as refraining from sports and exercises and avoiding reading and screen time. Since then, Lenzi says, the State Department has retaliated against him in a number of ways. Documents viewed by POLITICO show that the department most recently yanked his administrative leave last month — forcing him to use sick leave or leave-without-pay to participate in medical studies and attend therapy sessions — and has denied him access to his classified computer system, even though he retains his top-secret security clearance. Lenzi said he has accrued 1,248 hours of administrative leave over a two-and-a-half-year timeframe — about 156 working days. He expects the OSC investigation to be completed before the end of the year. At that point, by law, the results would be shared with the White House and Congress. If Lenzi’s allegations are substantiated, he would be considered a whistleblower under the statutory definition, and he would be entitled to protections under the law. In the meantime, the State Department is warning victims that it could be months before they see the benefits of the HAVANA Act. In an email obtained by POLITICO, the department’s Bureau of Global Talent Management wrote that the new law “will have to go through the federal rules-making process, which is lengthy, and requires consultations and clearances with multiple other federal agencies.” The email also states that the funding for the HAVANA Act must come from a congressional appropriation, which has yet to reach Biden’s desk. State Department lagging the CIA in response, critics say Members of Congress have taken an interest in the mystery surrounding the illness since 2016, when it was first detected among U.S. diplomats serving in Havana. But congressional oversight activities skyrocketed this year after officials from across the government began warning lawmakers that diplomats, intelligence officers and other American personnel are being targeted with increasing frequency both on foreign soil and the U.S. mainland. As a result, individual lawmakers have engaged directly with the victims, including Lenzi, as part of their oversight of the government’s handling of the matter. One of those lawmakers, Collins, has talked extensively with Lenzi and called his retribution claims “truly horrific.” “His story is very compelling and sadly far too typical of those individuals who have suffered through and are enduring the consequences of the pulsed energy attacks that lead to Havana Syndrome,” Collins, a senior member of the Intelligence Committee, said in an interview. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken testifies during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken testifies during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing. | Drew Angerer/Getty Images Many victims are hesitant to go public or even speak privately with congressional committees that are investigating the government’s response. Lawmakers attribute their reluctance in part to the State Department’s slow response to the increase in suspected attacks. The CIA, meanwhile, has begun to treat the subject more seriously, especially during Burns’ tenure. “The State Department still has lagged the CIA in providing the health care and compensation that these individuals need and deserve,” Collins added. Burns has taken action to remove individuals from the CIA’s medical office who aren’t treating the issue seriously, according to two people familiar with the moves. A CIA spokesperson said Burns “has made changes in our Office of Medical Services from his first day on the job, elevating a doctor focused on patient care to lead our efforts caring for affected individuals, and also tripled the number of medical staff focused on” the matter. By contrast, the State Department’s task force on Havana Syndrome was, until recently, led by Pamela Spratlen, who had lost the confidence of many of the victims. In a recent phone call with victims, for example, Blinken and Spratlen were grilled about several topics, including the department’s reluctance to publicly refer to the incidents as attacks, as well as its tiptoeing around the “mass hysteria” theory that the victims and intelligence officials roundly reject. During a visit to Colombia last week, Blinken met with American diplomats at the U.S. embassy in Bogota who have been impacted by Havana Syndrome. The State Department under Blinken has sought to highlight the secretary’s interactions with the victims, as the Biden administration seeks to revamp its public-facing response to the incidents. CORRECTION: A previous version of this report misstated the date for which Mark Lenzi was diagnosed with a brain injury by Teena Shetty. It was June 22, 2018. FILED UNDER: NATIONAL SECURITY
On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:56:39 -0500 Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
It still sounds like people haven't realised/publicly discussed putting biosignals lifelogging devices on diplomats to keep them safe
what the fuck are you talking about karl. No decent person wants to 'keep diplomats safe' - only government agents want to do that.
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