On 12/05/2016 06:19 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

On Dec 5, 2016 8:39 PM, "Marina Brown" wrote:

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I miss the list the way it was back in the 90's. Sure there were fights

but there was so much more content now it just seems to be the trolls.

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I learned so much back in the early days of the list. That is why i came

back here.

It's funny. I didn't see her post :( She must have quoted one of the trolls. So that's the downside of filtering on both sender and body.

I wanted to leave this list several times in the last months, but I didn't leave because few women -- cis and trans -- write here and I really want to make this space a bit more comfortable and secure for them and for more fragile, more sensitive people and minorities in general.

Well hey, I'm glad that neither you nor Marina have left :)

I absolutely do not care about trolls and offenses, but I know they scare a lot more sensible and delicate people. Poisonous censorship made by trolls: violent, coward, illogical and exhaustive. It's killing the CP list.

As I said few weeks ago, we are losing good informations, technical and personal opinions of good people, good professionals, because this list is not healthy, is too aggressive and very, very toxic.

What really annoys me and let me very upset is knowing that some sensitive persons here never will write anything on this list, never will share their opinions and ideas, because of this oppressive dictatorship of fear and aggressive bad words.

We don't have moderation, but there is already brutal censorship.

I get that. I finally got fed up with all the crap. But still, I totally oppose moderation. Back in the day, with slow dialup modems, it was important to avoid downloading unwanted messages. Now that's not an issue. So each of us can filter out whatever we don't want to see.