Re: bitcoin incorporated
here's some more stuff Roger Ver (BU) vs Tone Vays (SegWit) - Bitcoin Scaling Debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdyIJ-BUPaU and ~30 pages of Fuck: SegWit, LN, Blockstream, Core, Adam Back, and GMazwell https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1842146.0 Anyway, there seems to be a couple of big red flags regarding blockstream, perhaps the biggest one being their funding sources.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:14 AM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
Roger Ver (BU) vs Tone Vays (SegWit) - Bitcoin Scaling Debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdyIJ-BUPaU
Veys: "Expert coders yadda yadda" Ver: "Good ideas dont require force and good ideas dont require censorship. (And more fine quotes.)" Anyone can code, not everyone has philosophy or puts it into code. So Blockstream gets crushed in open debate. Simple larger blocks buy the time needed to come together under good ideas to take on Visa, Fiat, and Governance. Or not. Or fork it. All valid. Another long debate... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JarEszFY1WY And very short ones... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci8IB-Lpe-c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk2Umn4FlyA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grFgUx4bPlo
On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 01:50:50 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:14 AM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
Roger Ver (BU) vs Tone Vays (SegWit) - Bitcoin Scaling Debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdyIJ-BUPaU
Veys: "Expert coders yadda yadda" Ver: "Good ideas dont require force and good ideas dont require censorship. (And more fine quotes.)"
Yes. And even funnier, the technical arguments coming from the 'expert coders' aren't too impressive. For instance, they seem to be claiming that even small increments in block size would hopelessly cripple bitcoin's 'security'. Then there's the "bitcoin is digital gold" theory. Bitcoin's supply is fixed like gold supply is. That part of the theory makes a lot of economic sense. But then it turns out that gold doesn't impose any low limit on the amount of *transactions* you can do with it. OOPS. So bitcoin isn't digital 'gold' after all eh? Another very funny thing is people claiming satoshi wasn't a 'good coder' by which they mean that his programming style wasn't 'proffesional'. But regardless of programming style he *desgined* the whole system. And the problems at hand are not 'coding' proglems but 'protocol design' problems.
Anyone can code, not everyone has philosophy or puts it into code.
Yep. That's a pretty good summary.
So Blockstream gets crushed in open debate. Simple larger blocks buy the time needed to come together under good ideas
Yes. It seems to me that trying small increments in size would be basic engineering practice and not horribly risky. But in reality the (non)argument against changing block size is based on conservative 'philosophy', it's not really technical... Or perhaps even simpler, it is a conspiracy to force developement/adoption of second layer solutions. Now, playing devil's advocate if the so called LN or something like that actually work as a fast, p2p network, then it wouldn't be too bad and the people who are currently manipulating block size would have a point, regardless of the underhanded means they are using. to take on Visa, Fiat, and Governance.
Or not. Or fork it. All valid.
Another long debate... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JarEszFY1WY
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And very short ones... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci8IB-Lpe-c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk2Umn4FlyA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grFgUx4bPlo
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:14 AM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
Roger Ver (BU) vs Tone Vays (SegWit) - Bitcoin Scaling Debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdyIJ-BUPaU
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6g67gw/censorship_apparently_you_arent... https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6gek0z/average_bitcoin_transaction_fee... OP below, full thread above.... Average Bitcoin transaction fee is now above five dollars. 80% of the world population lives on less than $10 a day. So much for "banking the unbanked." (self.btc) submitted 14 hours ago * by BeijingBitcoins 80% of Bitcoin's potential user base, and the group that stands to benefit the most from global financial inclusion, are now priced out of using Bitcoin. Very sad that it's come to this. edit: since this post is trending on /r/all, I'll share some background info for the new people here: Former Bitcoin developers Jeff Garzik and Gavin Andresen explain what the group of coders who call themselves "Bitcoin Core" are doing: https://medium.com/@jgarzik/bitcoin-is-being-hot-wired-for-settlement-a5beb1... Another former Bitcoin developer, Mike Hearn, explains how the Bitcoin project was hijacked: https://blog.plan99.net/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-experiment-dabb30201f7 One of the key methods used to hijack the Bitcoin project is the egregious censorship of the /r/bitcoin subreddit: https://medium.com/@johnblocke/a-brief-and-incomplete-history-of-censorship-... Reddit admins know and choose to do nothing. Just yesterday I had my post censored for linking to the Bitcoin whitepaper in /r/bitcoin: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6g67gw/censorship_apparently_you_arent... The vast majority of old-school bitcoin users still believe that Bitcoin should be affordable, fast, and available to everyone. Bitcoin development was captured by a bank-funded corporation called Blockstream who literally believe that the more expensive and difficult to transact Bitcoin is, the more valuable it will be (because they apparently think that cost and difficulty of use are the defining characteristics of gold). Just a couple of days ago the CEO of Blockstream re-affirmed that he thinks even $100 transaction fees on Bitcoin are acceptable: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6fybcy/adam_back_reaffirms_that_he_thi... This subreddit, /r/btc, is where most of us old timers hang out since we are now mostly banned and censored from posting on /r/bitcoin. That subreddit has become a massive tool for pulling the wool over the eyes of new users and organizing coordinated character assasinations against any prominent individual who speaks out against their status quo. It was revealed that the Blockstream/Core group of developers even have secret chat groups alongside the moderators of /r/bitcoin for coordinating their trolling campaigns in: https://telegra.ph/Inside-the-Dragons-Den-Bitcoin-Cores-Troll-Army-04-07
During our team's 1-week visit to the US last year we had two attempts to bribe our devs by US agencies + pressure on me from the FBI. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6gm1ou/during_our_teams_1week_visi... https://twitter.com/durov/status/873868773119451136 Blocking BTC from having bigger blocks is really just a dick move nothing else https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6gkzmg/blocking_btc_from_having_bigger... If the chain is inaccessible to you because of fees, you're just a sharecropper, a user on someone else's system. Might as well go paypal. https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6gmlsf/emin_g%C3%BCn_sirer_if_the_chai... https://twitter.com/el33th4xor/status/873950231813120000 https://www.reddit.com/user/MemoryDealers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6dsffp/an_open_reply_to_adam_back_rega... https://medium.com/@johnblocke/a-brief-and-incomplete-history-of-censorship-...
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