Hello Cypherpunks! As many of you will likely know, Microsoft has recently made public a release date for Windows 10 and has been testing the platform as part of the "Windows Insider" program. With this update comes a number of seemingly unoriginal [1], but nonetheless interesting features, such as "Cortana", Windows' "truly personal" assistant (only to be available in a handful of countries) and "Windows Hello", a biometric authentication system allowing the use of the face, iris, or finger for access [2]. What changes in Windows' security are expected to take place? Will systems such as Windows Hello leak uniquely identifiable biometric data, despite a planned increase in security [3]? What could perhaps be done to limit the risk of using systems such as a cloud-based, personal assistant that is able to access most of a person's internet-connected devices? Thankyou very much, Endless [1] It seems that Windows 10's flagship features such as biometric authentication have already been available on a number of other platforms for quite some time, not to mention the fact that the name "Cortana" was used as the name for an artificial intelligence character in the popular "Halo" game series (The name seems to be have been used without violating intellectual property laws, as Halo, having been originally developed by Bungie, Inc. is now a subsidiary of Microsoft Studios). [2] More information regarding Microsoft's initial announcement of the Windows 10 release date can be found at the following link: https://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/06/01/hello-world-windows-10-... [3] A blog post relating to Windows 10's planned "security perks" can be found at the following link: http://blogs.windows.com/business/2014/10/22/windows-10-security-and-identit...
On Tue, Jun 02, 2015 at 09:05:33PM +1000, Endless wrote:
Hello Cypherpunks!
is this some thinly veiled attempt at getting publicity for this whatever it is? -- otr fp: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well, since Windows 10 does in fact involve a planned lockout of anyone who wants to dual-boot linux systems, you should just dump Windows now if you are still using it. Here's my (somewhat dated, but updated) post on how I suggest one should do that (target audience is for those who don't have a lot of background in computer stuffs) https://odinn.cyberguerrilla.org/index.php/2014/04/02/quick-and-easy-the - -five-minute-method-to-leave-windows-or-mac-os/ - -o On 06/02/2015 04:05 AM, Endless wrote:
Hello Cypherpunks!
As many of you will likely know, Microsoft has recently made public a release date for Windows 10 and has been testing the platform as part of the "Windows Insider" program. With this update comes a number of seemingly unoriginal [1], but nonetheless interesting features, such as "Cortana", Windows' "truly personal" assistant (only to be available in a handful of countries) and "Windows Hello", a biometric authentication system allowing the use of the face, iris, or finger for access [2].
What changes in Windows' security are expected to take place? Will systems such as Windows Hello leak uniquely identifiable biometric data, despite a planned increase in security [3]? What could perhaps be done to limit the risk of using systems such as a cloud-based, personal assistant that is able to access most of a person's internet-connected devices?
Thankyou very much, Endless
[1] It seems that Windows 10's flagship features such as biometric authentication have already been available on a number of other platforms for quite some time, not to mention the fact that the name "Cortana" was used as the name for an artificial intelligence character in the popular "Halo" game series (The name seems to be have been used without violating intellectual property laws, as Halo, having been originally developed by Bungie, Inc. is now a subsidiary of Microsoft Studios).
[2] More information regarding Microsoft's initial announcement of the Windows 10 release date can be found at the following link: https://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/06/01/hello-world-windo ws-10-available-on-july-29/
[3] A blog post relating to Windows 10's planned "security perks" can be found at the following link: http://blogs.windows.com/business/2014/10/22/windows-10-security-and-i dentity-protection-for-the-modern-world/
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interesting features, biometric shit. Shiny turd. Consider this: W10 is free and it's being pushed hard by MS. They even force W7 and W8 users to download it when they aren't interested in 'upgrading'. So, if the product is free for you, who is the customer? On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 3:17 AM, odinn <odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup.net> wrote:
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Well, since Windows 10 does in fact involve a planned lockout of anyone who wants to dual-boot linux systems, you should just dump Windows now if you are still using it.
Here's my (somewhat dated, but updated) post on how I suggest one should do that (target audience is for those who don't have a lot of background in computer stuffs)
https://odinn.cyberguerrilla.org/index.php/2014/04/02/quick-and-easy-the - -five-minute-method-to-leave-windows-or-mac-os/
- -o
On 06/02/2015 04:05 AM, Endless wrote:
Hello Cypherpunks!
As many of you will likely know, Microsoft has recently made public a release date for Windows 10 and has been testing the platform as part of the "Windows Insider" program. With this update comes a number of seemingly unoriginal [1], but nonetheless interesting features, such as "Cortana", Windows' "truly personal" assistant (only to be available in a handful of countries) and "Windows Hello", a biometric authentication system allowing the use of the face, iris, or finger for access [2].
What changes in Windows' security are expected to take place? Will systems such as Windows Hello leak uniquely identifiable biometric data, despite a planned increase in security [3]? What could perhaps be done to limit the risk of using systems such as a cloud-based, personal assistant that is able to access most of a person's internet-connected devices?
Thankyou very much, Endless
[1] It seems that Windows 10's flagship features such as biometric authentication have already been available on a number of other platforms for quite some time, not to mention the fact that the name "Cortana" was used as the name for an artificial intelligence character in the popular "Halo" game series (The name seems to be have been used without violating intellectual property laws, as Halo, having been originally developed by Bungie, Inc. is now a subsidiary of Microsoft Studios).
[2] More information regarding Microsoft's initial announcement of the Windows 10 release date can be found at the following link: https://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/06/01/hello-world-windo ws-10-available-on-july-29/
[3] A blog post relating to Windows 10's planned "security perks" can be found at the following link: http://blogs.windows.com/business/2014/10/22/windows-10-security-and-i dentity-protection-for-the-modern-world/
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But if you're willing to give your soul away in exchange for interesting features, a talking app and biometric shit, then you're probably making a good deal anyway. Your soul wasn't worth much in any case. On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Brenda Fernández <me@brendafernandez.com> wrote:
interesting features, biometric shit.
Shiny turd.
Consider this: W10 is free and it's being pushed hard by MS. They even force W7 and W8 users to download it when they aren't interested in 'upgrading'. So, if the product is free for you, who is the customer?
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 3:17 AM, odinn <odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup.net> wrote:
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Well, since Windows 10 does in fact involve a planned lockout of anyone who wants to dual-boot linux systems, you should just dump Windows now if you are still using it.
Here's my (somewhat dated, but updated) post on how I suggest one should do that (target audience is for those who don't have a lot of background in computer stuffs)
https://odinn.cyberguerrilla.org/index.php/2014/04/02/quick-and-easy-the - -five-minute-method-to-leave-windows-or-mac-os/
- -o
On 06/02/2015 04:05 AM, Endless wrote:
Hello Cypherpunks!
As many of you will likely know, Microsoft has recently made public a release date for Windows 10 and has been testing the platform as part of the "Windows Insider" program. With this update comes a number of seemingly unoriginal [1], but nonetheless interesting features, such as "Cortana", Windows' "truly personal" assistant (only to be available in a handful of countries) and "Windows Hello", a biometric authentication system allowing the use of the face, iris, or finger for access [2].
What changes in Windows' security are expected to take place? Will systems such as Windows Hello leak uniquely identifiable biometric data, despite a planned increase in security [3]? What could perhaps be done to limit the risk of using systems such as a cloud-based, personal assistant that is able to access most of a person's internet-connected devices?
Thankyou very much, Endless
[1] It seems that Windows 10's flagship features such as biometric authentication have already been available on a number of other platforms for quite some time, not to mention the fact that the name "Cortana" was used as the name for an artificial intelligence character in the popular "Halo" game series (The name seems to be have been used without violating intellectual property laws, as Halo, having been originally developed by Bungie, Inc. is now a subsidiary of Microsoft Studios).
[2] More information regarding Microsoft's initial announcement of the Windows 10 release date can be found at the following link: https://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/06/01/hello-world-windo ws-10-available-on-july-29/ <https://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/06/01/hello-world-windows-10-available-on-july-29/>
[3] A blog post relating to Windows 10's planned "security perks" can be found at the following link: http://blogs.windows.com/business/2014/10/22/windows-10-security-and-i dentity-protection-for-the-modern-world/ <http://blogs.windows.com/business/2014/10/22/windows-10-security-and-identity-protection-for-the-modern-world/>
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Brenda Fernández <me@brendafernandez.com> writes:
W10 is free and it's being pushed hard by MS. They even force W7 and W8 users to download it when they aren't interested in 'upgrading'. So, if the product is free for you, who is the customer?
You're the product, not Windows. That was the good thing about the old Microsoft (yes, there were good things about them), they took your money and left you alone to do whatever you wanted with their software. Now, like Google (where you're entirely the product, for sale to anyone with money) and Apple (where you're still the product, but the sole customer is Apple), they're turning their customers into the product. (Not to mention that W10 has moved even further along the path of treating your PC like a cellphone. It's possibly the first GUI I've used that was literally painful to use, the all-white-all-the-time UI theme was like staring into a lightbox, my eyes hurt after an hour of two of setting up a neighbour's PC). Peter.
W10 Confirmed Malware Edition treats the used as a teenage girl ripe for the raping. In every possible sense. But well, useds are asking for it, apparently. On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 1:37 AM, Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
Brenda Fernández <me@brendafernandez.com> writes:
W10 is free and it's being pushed hard by MS. They even force W7 and W8 users to download it when they aren't interested in 'upgrading'. So, if the product is free for you, who is the customer?
You're the product, not Windows. That was the good thing about the old Microsoft (yes, there were good things about them), they took your money and left you alone to do whatever you wanted with their software. Now, like Google (where you're entirely the product, for sale to anyone with money) and Apple (where you're still the product, but the sole customer is Apple), they're turning their customers into the product.
(Not to mention that W10 has moved even further along the path of treating your PC like a cellphone. It's possibly the first GUI I've used that was literally painful to use, the all-white-all-the-time UI theme was like staring into a lightbox, my eyes hurt after an hour of two of setting up a neighbour's PC).
Peter.
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On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 04:37:39AM +0000, Peter Gutmann wrote:
Brenda Fernández <me@brendafernandez.com> writes:
W10 is free and it's being pushed hard by MS. They even force W7 and W8 users to download it when they aren't interested in 'upgrading'. So, if the product is free for you, who is the customer?
You're the product, not Windows. That was the good thing about the old Microsoft (yes, there were good things about them), they took your money and left you alone to do whatever you wanted with their software. Now, like Google (where you're entirely the product, for sale to anyone with money) and Apple (where you're still the product, but the sole customer is Apple), they're turning their customers into the product.
(Not to mention that W10 has moved even further along the path of treating your PC like a cellphone. It's possibly the first GUI I've used that was literally painful to use, the all-white-all-the-time UI theme was like staring into a lightbox, my eyes hurt after an hour of two of setting up a neighbour's PC).
Peter.
Lol... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/21/microsoft_fix_windows_10_start_menu/ Microsoft starts to fix Start Menu in new Windows 10 preview Yippee, now you can have 2,048 entries – but why is there a limit? Do they still run activex in their browser? AFAICT they mitigate digitally signed malware with technology something like "kill biLL" or maybe "kill biT". Or is flash sufficiently good substitute? NSAKEY already found?
I hate to say it, but Windows 10 is the best OS out there. By far. The productivity features, like the hybrid tiling window manager, the new explorer, etc. Are great. Internet Explorer got it's rebrand, and the new browser is actually nominal. I still killed and burned it ofc. Driver and app support was bumpy, but compared to linux it's a smooth ride. Now it's actually the best in the world for support. The new design is thoughtful, flexible and unopinionated. High DPI support is fully integrated. The OS is more customizable than Linux. Not because it's an easily customizable OS, but because others did a lot of hard work to make it customizable. Security wise it's still not ideal, but neither are Linux or Mac (people still get owned a lot, lots of third party code through plugins and whatnot, etc) Cortana listens all the time, and may actually become useful one day. People are happy because she's from Halo and similar to the already accepted Siri. Basically, we're fucked. Microsoft is winning through superiority. To make Linux competitive means making it a LOT more modern. Possible there's a need to focus effort, and to reduce loc. Basically; fucked. On Sep 23, 2015 13:17, "Georgi Guninski" <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
Brenda Fernández <me@brendafernandez.com> writes:
W10 is free and it's being pushed hard by MS. They even force W7 and W8 users to download it when they aren't interested in 'upgrading'. So, if the
is free for you, who is the customer?
You're the product, not Windows. That was the good thing about the old Microsoft (yes, there were good things about them), they took your money and left you alone to do whatever you wanted with their software. Now, like Google (where you're entirely the product, for sale to anyone with money) and Apple (where you're still the product, but the sole customer is Apple), they're turning their customers into the product.
(Not to mention that W10 has moved even further along the path of
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 04:37:39AM +0000, Peter Gutmann wrote: product treating
your PC like a cellphone. It's possibly the first GUI I've used that was literally painful to use, the all-white-all-the-time UI theme was like staring into a lightbox, my eyes hurt after an hour of two of setting up a neighbour's PC).
Peter.
Lol...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/21/microsoft_fix_windows_10_start_menu/ Microsoft starts to fix Start Menu in new Windows 10 preview Yippee, now you can have 2,048 entries – but why is there a limit?
Do they still run activex in their browser?
AFAICT they mitigate digitally signed malware with technology something like "kill biLL" or maybe "kill biT".
Or is flash sufficiently good substitute?
NSAKEY already found?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/23/2015 08:12 AM, Lodewijk andré de la porte wrote:
I hate to say it, but Windows 10 is the best OS out there. By far.
I hate to admit it, but what you say is true. "Best" is a completely context-dependent concept. Windows 10 is the best OS out there, by far, IF you as the user deeply desire to be owned and controlled, monitored and monetized in every way, as deeply and continuously as possible by your beloved Master. Granted, it's just a computer; but there's no denying it can deeply affect your Real Life. Like other Microsoft operating systems and application software, Windows 10 makes the wettest dreams of the submissive masochist come true: More holes eagerly waiting to be violated. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWAqE+AAoJEDZ0Gg87KR0LfrAQALtF9CT3vk6eJXpnFvUkC9aN KqoxPmgEaaMyQTqcKhvFTyu2aqN3SRkTRgRnqpWMM5i1fx5FABZldE8232qw0oHw U97FFdTbU29rTZQWroByefWRKpJhDHvibcDmHOFutSYFskofLIWdYOhh1PFLvuGt SWS6W8pNqp3mXNd95uvt9rolDwNoyo/Py0UtoEY6uBZlwqH8CqcGwm5Ea/tfg6cc AlRCKpjENwZmGjCF8DDgiRj9BQ/ozET6Q3khVOZESMQGUlNa4sVR2dBk2ZV10DWL A/NZyQ2WbnlV6v/8B6mty7b+Z2VtXyYOgFocwWRHZjQJqX3tzdLl84clRDMoubel dL5nZJGBvgHwTV1QcH25G60syYI6f5/SYdbhkstBDMtJjwHEDIWoUL6TWPGwNZpw 8iVo3FuiQKVIWnSw0rkyelB2et0/bRQrVNtV8+YutZCLM8l+MlR0mnqSKK2A1OtT 3BqQkXP6GAZDsJw5UtTSND9EsbqDhYLSpaVYRPFw386pqgeymwlCbqrssjllA4je kpHRdahgeQ3Zx48We89rixfZhuZeZSAauGw87pzynyA0NJ0nujev+3EFI8F9vWhd e2qzU+CNUYbsCDMOY+TeekBx/2OPeGeZjBVy982jBudwDUZ1fFmUp5nVpMMrWUr1 6gXoJD45Yx4Ez6Jm5pBt =sT/u -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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