The Internet As Govt Self Suicide Device
On 6/7/16, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 18:23:17 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Apparently there are a number of easy-to-describe improvements which could be made to the TOR protocol
Perhaps. Though I think tor's basic design and inertia may be unsuited to GPA resistant mods, such that new project[s] would be better ground for trialing that. Doesn't mean that current nets can't be drawn from.
TOR is a net positive,
For quite some use cases, just not all use cases.
I've argued for years that the invention of the Internet will eventually be seen as a very slow-motion suicide by government.
Gov's don't self suicide. However they may piss other folks off, who then rise to kill them. Replacing them with yet another govt. Of course twisting their own original tools for military comms superiority against them is always fun, and yes, seen as ironic. There are also too many places in the world where govs still have effective control over it... censorship events, etc... such that govt survival mechanism will be effective nationalization under "exigent state of emergency". It may take another 20 years before the race condition between govts and freedom of the net yields a real winner, or a real meltdown.
is on Ethereum and Augur, which will make the prediction market open. Nobody will much care if I donate 0.001 BTC to see the end of [fill in the blank with the name of your]
...neighbors dog that shits on your lawn and barks all night. Call it practice for the big game. With license issued by Anonymous Dept of Parks and Rec.
On Thu, Jun 09, 2016 at 02:21:42AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
It may take another 20 years before the race condition between govts and freedom of the net yields a real winner, or a real meltdown.
I suspect in up to 20 years climate change will screw earth hard. Humans have seen revolutions, but did something change for the good of the sheeple? "real winner" likely will be government, which people can't screw or possibly "robin hood" dictatorship.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/09/2016 08:35 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Thu, Jun 09, 2016 at 02:21:42AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
It may take another 20 years before the race condition between govts and freedom of the net yields a real winner, or a real meltdown.
I suspect in up to 20 years climate change will screw earth hard.
Humans have seen revolutions, but did something change for the good of the sheeple?
"real winner" likely will be government, which people can't screw or possibly "robin hood" dictatorship.
This faith-based global development plan was created by think tanks and economic planners telling The Boss only and exactly what he wants to hear: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/29/six-maps-that-wil l-make-you-rethink-the-world/ https://tinyurl.com/zl2h6l8 This evidence based assessment of best to median case outcomes for industrial civilization in the mid term future was created by a geophysicist who apparently doesn't give a fuck what the boss wants to hear: http://www.commondreams.org/views/2013/10/29/how-science-telling-us-all- revolt https://tinyurl.com/gwhvr9v In a world where the State's sole function is to convert money into power, and power back into money in an accelerating feedback cycle, the head on collision of these two models is already a done deal. Lemming herders FTW. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXWYtJAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqO5oH/1wog5Bqaf+CQFsuvwe3BxN3 aQjLcKzdhMeBAXrQrYnTSelNNQLD5Q0R+z1to2xVX48Zc4IZmVTR1gDO+QzTzUgi zWuXCMVcq9Kh5ctjkeTrwUnS8bB912gekWnABkYsU2hea2kvgARU8GxJ+4LK7/Su Q0VmWzXq582x4ivRCUyv6Zf3mBDx4scYB4aXU469W7rImaEzLKABAkvNlgYyirA6 CId0/Jp8Qa8Anm6cJLKj+5+qbuofdWHpsroUmf9WaxQPkALX/C/1laeleeApKNvD f/U/tQm/4JkKDFupQjwAQPttZWUhYpjb05nxqTpN6vxjmeLEdW4AQ4aB5GUOtIc= =nPoR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
From: grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> On 6/7/16, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 18:23:17 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Apparently there are a number of easy-to-describe improvements which could be made to the TOR protocol
Perhaps. Though I think tor's basic design and inertia may be unsuited to GPA resistant mods, such that new project[s] would be better ground for trialing that. Doesn't mean that current nets can't be drawn from.
TOR is a net positive,
For quite some use cases, just not all use cases. Yes, that's why I said a "net positive".
I've argued for years that the invention of the Internet will eventually be seen as a very slow-motion suicide by government.
Gov's don't self suicide. Usually, that's true. The most obvious counter-examples today include Venezuela and Greece. There is a difference, albeit small, between a government taking an action to deliberately kill itself, as opposed to a government taking an action will will eventually cause that government to be killed. To a first approximation, both amount to "suicide". However they may piss other folks off, who then rise to kill them. I include that kind of event as being "suicide". Jim Bell
On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 18:05:56 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gov's don't self suicide.
Usually, that's true. The most obvious counter-examples today include Venezuela and Greece.
Venezuela is controlled by a somewhat more totalitarian government than in the past. Not only the government of venezuela hasn't 'commited suicide', it's actually stronger than it used to be. I don't know how bad the current greek government is, but I do know it is alive and kicking and that the 'crisis' it underwent was caused by all the money they stole. So at best you can argue that when a government grows too fast there may be some kind of 'blowback' but that is all.
There is a difference, albeit small, between a government taking an action to deliberately kill itself, as opposed to a government taking an action will will eventually cause that government to be killed. To a first approximation, both amount to "suicide".
However they may piss other folks off, who then rise to kill them. I include that kind of event as being "suicide". Jim Bell
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