On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 2:59 PM Steve Kinney wrote:

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On 08/23/2016 05:08 PM, Sean Lynch wrote:

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On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:07 AM Georgi Guninski mailto:guninski@guninski.com> wrote:

Appelbaum, CDC, CCC

http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/73441-appelbaum-ban ned-from-debian-events-after-sexual-misconduct-charges.html http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/73441-appelbaum-banned-fr...

Appelbaum banned from Debian events after sexual misconduct charges

=== Appelbaum has also been asked to leave other hacker groups like the Cult of the Dead Cow, Noisebridge, and will not be allowed to attend events organised by the hacker group Chaos Computer Club. ===

Are journos exaggerating at least for CCC?

So I guess as far as Juan & garpamp, et al are concerned, these groups are also infiltrated by or working on behalf of the NSA, GCHQ, etc? Are they about to experience mass disillusionment and exodus as well, just like all "non-spook" Tor relays are about to shut down because "everyone" who's not a spook is on Rapey Jakey's side?

I do expect the stunning success of the operation against Applebaum will lead to similar attacks against organizations and personalities considered inconvenient by State and Corporate agencies who "have relations with" the clandestine services.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, projects to Fork TOR are already forming up and assembling resources. Maybe now real work can start on proposals like variable latency, padding, etc.

Wake me up when they release actual code with actual features. It's far easier to talk about forking than to spin up a successful project. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing experimentation with padding & mixing, but between more innovative features and a more conservative codebase, I'm not sure which one I'd trust, especially when the former are written by people so dumb as to think that there's some vast conspiracy against Appelbaum. Perhaps the fork of TBB will come preloaded with bookmarks to some successor to Pink Meth, /stol on 8chan, etc?

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On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 2:59 PM Steve Kinney mailto:admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing experimentation with padding & mixing, but between more innovative features and a more conservative codebase, I'm not sure which one I'd trust, especially when the former are written by people so dumb as to think that there's some vast conspiracy against Appelbaum.

Not "some vast conspiracy," just a few individuals with CVs more relevant to a specific form of political warfare than software development, behaving exactly as if they had been hand picked by a hostile actor and given a line of attack to pursue. The beauty part: "Prove it." ;) As universal surveillance and profiling technologies mature, so will tools for analyzing organizations to identify exploitable weaknesses of key figures, and identifying candidates to recruit or influence to do that exploitation. The phrase "CIA Computer Dating & Job Placement Service" sums up a toolkit that makes formerly difficult, expensive categories of clandestine operations both more affordable and reliable, which makes smaller, less important targets accessible. The technology exists, an eager market wants it, blank checks are available to make it happen. Individuals and organizations working against State and Corporate agendas should adjust their behavior accordingly. :o/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXvNrKAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqPCoIAL+CcjehLJiI7YIKZxQ+6S+a k//2BC7YVw7d1OBCjiNrqPIrwkRJ+u14BpKMcDJGTJW0kIyGpDtl8kiUPKfrNZCP oEF/37EolWFVFDYcq+yQaGLCmpGIHuY6N/8QHGufnZu4NiJjpsYPRjmFLlCXZWkX 9q0FKtyiKCFep0pxAyg5oRrQWPgJWVQvoWXUB/GKDi0LLV2V+gekrPNCaZJJexj7 7qbVtQePnu50W/R2V2XT7LU4TbqVONzEQYTICdz7G1k3ESuM84RtpJHSgETZf2UF SjxZiNiKKd8V5LzBfpM//vhtI7yhvPGGh3+gH5Qd3umFMYj9Sy5X99TJJeWnSMw= =QN4y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On 08/23/2016 03:05 PM, Sean Lynch wrote:

people so dumb as to think that there's some vast conspiracy against Appelbaum.

It doesn't have to be vast. All it takes is a few vicious midgets and a critical mass of idiots who parrot them, believe them. Rr

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 2:59 PM Steve Kinney mailto:admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:

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On 08/23/2016 05:08 PM, Sean Lynch wrote: > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:07 AM Georgi Guninski > mailto:guninski@guninski.com mailto:guninski@guninski.com>> wrote: > > Appelbaum, CDC, CCC > > http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/73441-appelbaum-ban ned-from-debian-events-after-sexual-misconduct-charges.html http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/73441-appelbaum-banned-fr... > > Appelbaum banned from Debian events after sexual misconduct > charges > > > === Appelbaum has also been asked to leave other hacker groups like > the Cult of the Dead Cow, Noisebridge, and will not be allowed to > attend events organised by the hacker group Chaos Computer Club. > === > > Are journos exaggerating at least for CCC? > > > So I guess as far as Juan & garpamp, et al are concerned, these > groups are also infiltrated by or working on behalf of the NSA, > GCHQ, etc? Are they about to experience mass disillusionment and > exodus as well, just like all "non-spook" Tor relays are about to > shut down because "everyone" who's not a spook is on Rapey Jakey's > side?

I do expect the stunning success of the operation against Applebaum will lead to similar attacks against organizations and personalities considered inconvenient by State and Corporate agencies who "have relations with" the clandestine services.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, projects to Fork TOR are already forming up and assembling resources. Maybe now real work can start on proposals like variable latency, padding, etc.

Wake me up when they release actual code with actual features. It's far easier to talk about forking than to spin up a successful project.

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing experimentation with padding & mixing, but between more innovative features and a more conservative codebase, I'm not sure which one I'd trust, especially when the former are written by people so dumb as to think that there's some vast conspiracy against Appelbaum.

Perhaps the fork of TBB will come preloaded with bookmarks to some successor to Pink Meth, /stol on 8chan, etc?

Not sure whether including the In-Reply-To header on this one is ideal or not - leaving it in... On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 07:25:10PM -0300, juan wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 21:08:19 +0000 Sean Lynch wrote:

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Are they about to experience mass disillusionment and exodus as well, just like all "non-spook" Tor relays are about to shut down because "everyone" who's not a spook is on Rapey Jakey's side?

lol Sean. So far what you've done here is post apologiges and propaganda for the most despicable americunt corporations. And granted, you had the 'decency' to admit you are an accomplice or 'employee' of the one of the worst criminals on the planet. Which nicely completed your profile.

OK, this is a protracted blogicle, with the following quote which ties into our previous discussion above. There's no chance of this offending anyone, so expect no "terror alert" (sorry, we mean "safe words" ... ahh sorry, we'll remember it soon enough - "trigger words" perhaps? may be that was it) warning :) " But women are prone to 'social lying', something they are often not self conscious of, and in fairness shouldn't be called lying in reference to women - it is simply a different way of experiencing and describing reality - but in male terms, it is lying: this is a form of establishing their 'class' - because historically and perhaps biologically for women, 'class' is what class you signal and what class you are associated with and can marry into, it is a set of indicators and behaviours based in acting and appearing, and not per se what 'class' in the strictly Weberian or Marxist sense that you belong to by way of income or relation to the means of production. This produces the Princess and the Pea phenomenon where suddenly everything becomes 'inappropriate'. So what you end up is a culture based on feigned indignation, and hypocritically, and unrealistically so. And this push to make the entire social sphere and civil society be framed on this basis has been a large part of PC culture in the Anglosphere. And it has nothing genealogically to do with 'the left' or 'cultural Marxism', but everything to do with the democraticization (or trickling down) of Victorian and Puritan gender conceptions related to class and social behaviours. This is why it is pervasive in the Anglosphere, these double standards, and yet struggles to find a footing in Latin, Slavic, and Middle-eastern cultures (or, in the Mediterranean, where these three all collide) Trump has effectively destroyed this PC cult of 'inappropriateness', where acceptable discourse has reached the lowest common denominator of what we'd want our 4 year old daughter to be exposed to, even in the majority of situations where no children are present. " http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/10/clinton-v-trump-town-hall-and-arc-of.html

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 21:08:19 +0000 Sean Lynch wrote:

Rapey Jakey's side?

Tell us, Sean. How long before google's 'AI' can detect hate speech against womyn and send drones to summarily execute the criminals? Is that hte 'project' you are 'working' on? Maybe not drones but boston dynamics 'products'?

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 23:03:56 +0000 Sean Lynch wrote:

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 3:56 PM juan wrote:

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On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 21:08:19 +0000 Sean Lynch wrote:

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Rapey Jakey's side?

Tell us, Sean. How long before google's 'AI' can detect hate speech against womyn and send drones to summarily execute the criminals?

Is that hte 'project' you are 'working' on? Maybe not drones but boston dynamics 'products'?

I work in Site Reliability Engineering and Google is selling Boston Dynamics, but I'll be sure to suggest that to them before they go.

Yes, do whatever you need to do so that the wife doesn't kick you out 'her' house

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 23:25:35 +0000 Sean Lynch wrote:

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:20 PM juan wrote:

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Yes, do whatever you need to do so that the wife doesn't kick you out 'her' house

I find it amusing that you think this would insult a normal person.

I'm glad you are amused =) And what does 'normal' mean? It simply means to go along with whatever stupidity and/or attrocities are fashionable at the time. Normal == average. So yeah, tor is a great tool for freedom and appelbaum is a rapist. And you who don't believe in 'conspiracy theories' get your data from mob hearsay.

On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 01:42:17 +0000 Sean Lynch wrote:

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:40 PM juan wrote:

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On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 23:25:35 +0000 Sean Lynch wrote:

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On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:20 PM juan wrote:

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Yes, do whatever you need to do so that the wife doesn't kick you out 'her' house

I find it amusing that you think this would insult a normal person.

I'm glad you are amused =)

And what does 'normal' mean? It simply means to go along with whatever stupidity and/or attrocities are fashionable at the time. Normal == average.

Well "normal" in this case is being in a relatioship where you're on equal terms with your partner

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So yeah, tor is a great tool for freedom and appelbaum is a rapist. And you who don't believe in 'conspiracy theories' get your data from mob hearsay.

The "mob" is just whoever's on the side you disagree with. You want to portray them as unthinking, just going with the crowd. But what are you doing? Jake is a hero to you,

LMAO at you Sean. I made it quite clear, many times, that I consider appelbaum a corrupt clown. He was a US military contractor getting 100K per year while pretending to be an 'anarcho commie' and 'feminist' to boot. (serves him well)

and a fellow man, and you already believed Tor wasn't to be trusted,

I *know* what tor is, and I know the moral standing of its sick apologists like appelbaum AND you. Oops Sean. Turns out that you are quite similar to appelbaum. A lackey of the feminazis. A propagandist for US military projects like tor and full time accomplice, ah, employee of google. Again. LMAO at you Sean. With 'allies' like you freedom needs no enemies.

so no thought is even necessary. He's "obviously" innocent and the victim of a smear campaign.

Innocent as long as your feminazi bullshit is concerned.

But name a public rape accusation that hasn't instantly had multiple smear campaigns spin up against the *accusers*.

bla bla bla

There are clear and obvious smear campaigns going on here, and not a lot of rational thought. I'm inclined to just discount "the usual suspects" whom the MRA label fits like a glove, and to believe people who had to write public announcements that were clearly very difficult for them and put their reputations on the line and shake up an important project.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

You talk about not needing enemies with "libertarians like me", but you obviously "need" enemies because you see them around every single corner. You have considered Tor an enemy from the start, and now you're ready to write off the CDC, CCC, Debian, Shari Steele and probably the EFF in one fell swoop.

Of course. And if you bothered to check the cpunks archives of TWENTY YEARS AGO you'd knew the EFF were already seen as sellouts.

But really, I suspect the only thing the TLAs need for this particular battle is a large supply of popcorn. But given that I expect a lot more projects and organizations will be starting to purge their own Appelbaums and/or encouraging them to start treating women and everyone else like human beings.

Ha ha ha. You fucking americunt pyscho pretending to be the good guy. Sorry sonny. I know the ABC of americunt, lefty, fascist propaganda. Tell me how much you 'respect' women while you murder millions of men, women and children all over the world.

Speaking of "everyone else", I note you call Chelsea Manning "he",

Yep. He's a man.

presumably because doing the opposite of what the "PC crowd" wants you to do is more important to you than civility, even (perhaps especially) to people who have suffered from discrimination all their lives.

WIth "libertarians" like you, it's no surprise that few people who care in the slightest about anyone who's not exactly like them is willing to identify themselves as "libertarian."

Which is a Good Thing. Already 99% of the people who call themselves libertarians are politically correct pieces of shit like you OR lunatic jew-kkkristian conservaties.

Because your "liiberty" is not "free to be you and me," it's just "free to be me." You want the freedom but not the responsibility to think about the consequences of your actions for others. No wonder you're such an Appelbaum fan: he's exactly what you aspire to be.

On 08/23/2016 04:46 PM, juan wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 21:08:19 +0000 Sean Lynch wrote:

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Rapey Jakey's side?

Tell us, Sean. How long before google's 'AI' can detect hate speech against womyn and send drones to summarily execute the criminals?

See Shumeet Baluja's _Silicon Jungle_. He's with Google ;)

Is that hte 'project' you are 'working' on? Maybe not drones but boston dynamics 'products'?

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:06 PM Mirimir wrote:

On 08/23/2016 04:46 PM, juan wrote:

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On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 21:08:19 +0000 Sean Lynch wrote:

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Rapey Jakey's side?

Tell us, Sean. How long before google's 'AI' can detect hate speech against womyn and send drones to summarily execute the criminals?

See Shumeet Baluja's _Silicon Jungle_. He's with Google ;)

Thanks for the recommendation. Bought a copy (via Google, because I'm lazy & the DRM is easier to break on Linux than Amazon's). Data mining and throwing people in jail for "precrimes" using parallel construction to back-construct a plausible evidence trail is already commonplace. It's more than a little silly that it's "feminazis" that juan and his ilk are afraid of when people are being entrapped and imprisoned right now for having beliefs many of us on this list share, just because they got fooled into taking some tiny step in the direction of some illegal means of doing something about it (i.e. the crime of "conspiracy").

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:24 PM juan wrote:

On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 00:50:47 +0000 Sean Lynch wrote:

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Data mining and throwing people in jail for "precrimes" using parallel construction to back-construct a plausible evidence trail is already commonplace. It's more than a little silly that it's "feminazis" that juan and his ilk

Who/what is my 'ilk'? You for instance are the typical fake 'libertarian' (i.e. apologiist of big, corrupt business) with the twist that you are also a lackey of left wing fascists like the feminazis. No need for 'scare quotes' - feminazi means means feminazi.

You are of course pretty 'normal'...that is well adapted to an enviroment of psychos.

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are afraid of when people are being entrapped and imprisoned right now for having beliefs many of us on this list share,

Evidence? Or you know because that's what google does 'for a living'?

You don't read the news? FBI is arresting people every week for some new trumped up "terror" plot that turns out to have been invented by one of their own undercover agents. Their MO is to find someone venting online, approach them, suggest something illegal, then arrest them when they do something in furtherance of that illegal act, which works even if the thing they did isn't actually illegal, because all that has to exist for "conspiracy" charges is to be documented to have the plan (which the conversation with the agent is enough evidence for) and to take some action in furtherance of that plan. https://theintercept.com/2015/02/26/fbi-manufacture-plots-terrorism-isis-gra... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/21/government-agents-directly-inv... http://www.salon.com/2010/11/28/fbi_8/ http://www.businessinsider.com/the-fbi-hatched-some-crazy-terror-plots-2013-...

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just because they got fooled into taking some tiny step in the direction of some illegal means of doing something about it (i.e. the crime of "conspiracy").

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:36 PM juan wrote:

For Sean, who apparently doesn't know that google and the rest of 'technology' psychos are US military contractors

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29

PRISM required (and received) no cooperation from Facebook or Google, hence the famous post-it that said "SSL applied here" with the smiley face. The NSA was tapping fiber between datacenters and pulling the traffic of there. That traffic is now all encrypted, so PRISM is no more, at least not in that form.

On 08/23/2016 06:50 PM, Sean Lynch wrote:

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:06 PM Mirimir wrote:

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On 08/23/2016 04:46 PM, juan wrote:

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On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 21:08:19 +0000 Sean Lynch wrote:

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Rapey Jakey's side?

Tell us, Sean. How long before google's 'AI' can detect hate speech against womyn and send drones to summarily execute the criminals?

See Shumeet Baluja's _Silicon Jungle_. He's with Google ;)

Thanks for the recommendation. Bought a copy (via Google, because I'm lazy & the DRM is easier to break on Linux than Amazon's).

De nada :) He arguably wrote that while Google was helping NSA with XKeyscore ;)

Data mining and throwing people in jail for "precrimes" using parallel construction to back-construct a plausible evidence trail is already commonplace. It's more than a little silly that it's "feminazis" that juan and his ilk are afraid of when people are being entrapped and imprisoned right now for having beliefs many of us on this list share, just because they got fooled into taking some tiny step in the direction of some illegal means of doing something about it (i.e. the crime of "conspiracy").

For sure. But maybe "feminazis" behind #jakegate and generally fucking with Tor are just agents posing and manipulating "feminazi" sheeple.

On 08/23/2016 02:08 PM, Sean Lynch wrote:

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:07 AM Georgi Guninski mailto:guninski@guninski.com> wrote:

Appelbaum, CDC, CCC

http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/73441-appelbaum-banned-fr...

Appelbaum banned from Debian events after sexual misconduct charges

=== Appelbaum has also been asked to leave other hacker groups like the Cult of the Dead Cow, Noisebridge, and will not be allowed to attend events organised by the hacker group Chaos Computer Club. ===

Are journos exaggerating at least for CCC?

So I guess as far as Juan & garpamp, et al are concerned, these groups are also infiltrated by or working on behalf of the NSA, GCHQ, etc? Are they about to experience mass disillusionment and exodus as well, just like all "non-spook" Tor relays are about to shut down because "everyone" who's not a spook is on Rapey Jakey's side?

Actually. Greedy Libertarian narcissistic techies make GREAT Useful Idiots. When sicced on anti-authoritarians in the corporate workplace the results ARE fascinating. Just sayin. Because you belong to some 'high falutin'' group doesn't mean you aren't a vicious midget socially, and all it takes is a core of vicious midget in an industry that attracts them like flies to shit b/c relatively easy money (if you're a ruthless cocksucker) Rr "Take it or leave it or simply fuck off"

On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 12:37:30 +1000 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 09:08:19PM +0000, Sean Lynch wrote:

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So I guess as far as Juan & garpamp, et al are concerned, these groups are also infiltrated by or working on behalf of the NSA, GCHQ, etc? Are they about to experience mass disillusionment and exodus as well, just like all "non-spook" Tor relays are about to shut down because "everyone" who's not a spook is on Rapey Jakey's side?

Sean, the above is a seriously offensive statement/question by you.

Actually it was a great statemente by Sean. At last his mask fell off completely. Well, his previous praise for the likes of facebook uber, apple etc actually gave the game away "as far as I was concerned".

Are you going to retract it, wholly or partly?

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:10 PM Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 09:08:19PM +0000, Sean Lynch wrote:

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So I guess as far as Juan & garpamp, et al are concerned, these groups are also infiltrated by or working on behalf of the NSA, GCHQ, etc? Are they about to experience mass disillusionment and exodus as well, just like all "non-spook" Tor relays are about to shut down because "everyone" who's not a spook is on Rapey Jakey's side?

Sean, the above is a seriously offensive statement/question by you.

Are you going to retract it, wholly or partly?

No.