+1 What Cathal said. (And I'm saying it as someone extremely critical of my own government and who rarely passes up an opportunity to make it known.) ---------- On June 23, 2015 2:37:24 PM "Cathal (Phone)" <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
Propaganda is on-topic only insofar as it explores cointelpro, persona management, etc: not strictly crypto, but subversive and political (ab)uses of communications technology.
And, while we're on the subject, I suspect much of this pro-anything-not-West crap is likely to be just that: cointelpro to discredit the genuine content and discourage subscription/participation by a wider audience. It's pretty effective, I think.
On 23 June 2015 21:51:19 GMT+01:00, Ted Smith <tedks@riseup.net> wrote:
I certainly think that geopolitics is not in general on topic for this list.
"Western governments" and "western propaganda" also don't seem to me to be on topic for this list. This is not a list about propaganda or governance.
Since this list is unmoderated, I am sharing my discontent in the hopes of demotivating further threads on this topic.
That said, I guess cpunks was never good, it's meaningless to attempt to stop the shitstorm, etc., and so on. But now there are 2-3 posters who continually post random conspiracy crap and have built an echo chamber that totally drowns out any actual cypherpunking.
Better posters (you know who you are), please stop encouraging this.
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:05:20 -0400 Ted Smith <tedks@riseup.net> wrote:
What's the cypherpunk link in this?
That was part of a discussion on the nature of western governments and western propaganda.
Do you think that discussions on the nature of western governments are off-topic? Maybe banned?
Maybe we should instead talk about how terrible the suffering of US military murderers is?
paging Nick Econopouly <nickeconopouly@gmail.com>
On Thu, 2015-06-18 at 19:41 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
http://russia-insider.com/en/hey-obama-what-about-serbias-territoral-integri...
Summary at bottom, summarizing shifting position of "west" over some time: "So let us recount the western position: - It claimed to uphold the sovereignty and territorial
integrity
of other countries and the inviolability of borders in Europe - However, this did not extend to the sovereignty and the territorial integrity of Federal Yugoslavia which could be
On Tue, 2015-06-23 at 17:44 -0300, Juan wrote: trampled
at will - Nonetheless, albeit the territorial integrity of Federal Yugoslavia itself wasn’t worth anything, the territorial integrity of its constituent republics seeking independence was holy - Albeit the territorial integrity of the Yugoslav constituent republics of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina was holy, the territorial integrity of Serbia was not - Albeit Slovenes, Croats and Bosnian Muslims could leave Yugoslavia, Serbs could not leave Croatia and Bosnia - Albeit Serbs could not leave Croatia and Bosnia, Kosovo Albanians could secede from Serbia - Albeit Kosovo Albanians could secede from Serbia, Kosovo Serbs could not secede from Albanian-run Kosovo - Albeit Kosovo could unilaterally secede from Serbia under NATO military control, Crimea could not unilaterally secede from Ukraine under Russian military control
May world be spared hunger, plague and western principles. "
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