On 05/03/2015 08:09 PM, Juan wrote:
On Sun, 03 May 2015 18:36:12 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 05/03/2015 04:58 PM, Juan wrote:
On Sat, 02 May 2015 21:14:35 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
I won't quote much, but I can't resist sharing this: "And it’s a matter of record that Ed [Snowden] trusted his life to Tor, because he saw from the other side that it worked."
Huh? 'trusted his life', how? It's a matter of record that you are quoting a guy making a baseless assertion in some random blog.
He initially reached out to Glenn and Laura via Tor (Tails, as I recall reading). If the NSA has totally pwned Tor, they would arguably have detected that.
For starters when he contacted Poitras he was still working for the american nazi government. He wasn't in any 'watch list' (rather he was the one making such lists) - His actions were not 'detected' because nobody was interested in 'detecting' them.
So, there goes your theory...
Well, if I were running the fucking NSA, I'd make sure that all staff and consultants were on high-priority watch lists. Snowden wasn't the first, you know. He was one of few idealists, though. Most of the rest were just in it for the money.
We know that they focus on encrypted stuff, and one would hope that they monitor their staff and consultants.
I don't think so. Snowden was 'one of them'.
From what I've read in Bamford's books, it doesn't work like that. Being "one of them" puts you under more scrutiny, not less.
But then, maybe it's all bullshit. I certainly have no inside info.
Also, Snowden didn't plan to remain anonymous and didn't remain anonymous except for a few days. So, there isn't any evidence of tor working, except for a few days, at best. Although even that is unwarranted.
I think that it was more than a few days. It took a while for Glenn to get up to speed with encryption, as I recall.
Bottom line, this "trusted his life to Tor" is just cheap rhetoric.
That's arguable, I admit. Would they have actually killed him? Probably not, at least at first. But I still like it, cheap rhetoric or not :)
I wonder what the haters say to that. Actually, I know: "He's a double agent, and it's all a con." Amirite?
Snowden keeps sounding like an american nationalist. That's a big red flag.
He's clearly an American nationalist. He's said repeatedly that he released stuff through reporters, rather than directly, in order to reduce the risk of hurting US interests. Is that a "red flag"? I would have rather seen it all, but de gustibus non est disputandem ;)
Yes, I think it's a red flag. I'm guessing you disagree(?) but I don't know exactly how to read your remark about different people and different tastes...
Yes, I was disagreeing. But even if it were a "red flag", what would that signify? Don't the documents speak for themselves? Why do we care about his politics, philosophy, etc?