Re: One of the biggest problems with freedom
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I forget who said " The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" but it applies to threats both foreign and domestic. This includes the government. I trust no one absolutely. And I among many others have helped to pay for what freedom we have left. ( He said, in a movin' to Idaho kinda way ) cheers -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCXAwUBMffl2uJ+JZd/Y4yVAQHpFwQMC5f+guI+aH/mmOtnr50EVaKuhRHZjmtN 7/Q0MR2anBUuxb2b1eBzt/jzsQe1seh+yjGdF7PchDPU8cvo8d1zIRKNcYoo3uNZ 4DnGRt5aJncvOVtjA1MbbdPJppXzZvZwzbNaUsc/W6deE2Ug0zqhfVaBZ3/Qsw/f ZvImtor9X+MmNw== =NUjq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- At 08:23 AM 7/25/96 -0700, you wrote:
What our biggest problem is, is that people want the government to protect them from the oh so evil terrorists, and they will willingingly have shackles put on them, and rejoice when it is done.
I know people who WANT the government to take away their rights for security, and its a lot of people, and its far too many people.
Example: "I don't care if the government has my keys for encryption. I don't do anything wrong, and if it helps FBI enforce our just laws, I am all for it. Since anyone who tries to get keys without legal means will end up in Leavenworth for the rest of their life, there is no problems with people getting access to those things."
When I try to refute the logic:
"I don't care about the bill of rights... I don't want to have to split my family up on separate flights so there is a chance of some of them arriving without dying. I want the security of knowing I can fly okay without being blown up, thank you very much. Signapore has little or no crime since the people give up their rights for a common good."
Problem with freedom is people don't use it... and like a limb, will wither and fall off if not used.
Our basic item should be trying to get the masses to figure out that freedom is important and should not be construed as a gift from the government.
At 11:56 PM -0700 7/25/96, David Sternlight wrote:
I have just revised my views on the topic of freedom, crypto, and terrorism as a result of reading Benjamin Netanyahu's new book (a few months old) on terrorism and what the West can do about it, in one sitting. The book was written before he became Prime Minister.
Several have asked me about this by e-mail. The title of the book is "Fighting Terrorism--How democracies can defeat domestic and international terrorism." The first chapter of the book may be read free at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/fighting.htm Netanyahu's recommendations are in the final chapter of the book. David
At 2:24 PM -0700 7/25/96, Charley Sparks wrote:
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I forget who said " The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" but it applies to threats both foreign and domestic. This includes the government. I trust no one absolutely. And I among many others have helped to pay for what freedom we have left. ( He said, in a movin' to Idaho kinda way )
It was "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." I have just revised my views on the topic of freedom, crypto, and terrorism as a result of reading Benjamin Netanyahu's new book (a few months old) on terrorism and what the West can do about it, in one sitting. The book was written before he became Prime Minister. So as not to start a flame war here, let me just say that no intelligent person can discuss this subject without having read Netanyahu's book. It should be required reading for every American. No--I'm not going to say what my views now are. Let me just say that in about 150 very closely reasoned pages, with lots of both historical and current evidence, Netanyahu has brought me around totally in support of his views and his prescription for the United States--and I understand much better now why his positions on Israeli policy are directly in the vital interests of the United States. Readers wishing an explanation for certain recent US policies, as well as a guide to likely future ones will benefit from this book, whose influence has reached the highest circles of US leadership. Informed readers will know what I mean. Those who aren't should become so informed by reading the book. I would be happy to entertain a discussion of the book via private e-mail with those who have read it. David
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