I never thought I be caught dead forward an LD post, but here it is since I may be the only 'punk on the NEW-LIST announcements. Here we see the other side. I am beginning to get a funny feeling about all this. Consider: 1. The book published for profit by editing the submissions to rec.humor.funny. 2. The recent "compilation copyright" filed by Keith Peterson on the material contained in the Simtel archive. 3. The default apparent public domain into which all our postings seem to fall. Is LD, the prolific author that he obviously is, merely baiting the creative minds of the cypherpunks to gather material for his forthcoming novel(s)? Bart /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Forwarded message:

From @VM1.NODAK.EDU:owner-new-list@VM1.NODAK.EDU Fri Nov 26 11:02:02 1993 Message-Id: <199311261901.LAA15086@mail.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 12:47:04 CST Reply-To: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu, julf@eunet.fi Sender: NEW-LIST - New List Announcements <NEW-LIST@VM1.NoDak.EDU> From: "L. Detweiler" <ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu> Subject: NEW: Cypherwonks To: Multiple recipients of list NEW-LIST <NEW-LIST@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

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