Re: Citizenship silliness. Re: e$: crypto-expatriatism
[gun control laws in other countries being even worse than the US]
Does anyone know of any countries with more reasonable gun laws than the US? I vaguely think Israel and Switzerland are better, at least for citizens. It is one of the major problems I have with Anguilla -- "guns are bad". I miss my M1A. I mostly have two classes of guns I'd like to have: air pistol, for practice and competition, and military-style semiautomatic rifles, for practice and long-term defense. Self-defense handguns and shotguns are somewhat optional. A country like Switzerland seems ideal, at least as a citizen, given the reserve requirements. Mmmm, a nice Hammerli air pistol and a shiny new HK PSG-1 would make me forget about the M1A I left behind, very quickly. Especially with a good daylight scope and an IR scope... Only $30k or so for the package with 10k rounds of national match ammo. -- Ryan Lackey rdl@mit.edu http://sof.mit.edu/rdl/ <-- down
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <tw71zpmhe9n.fsf@denmark-vesey.MIT.EDU>, on 09/08/98 at 10:26 AM, Ryan Lackey <rdl@MIT.EDU> said:
Does anyone know of any countries with more reasonable gun laws than the US? I vaguely think Israel and Switzerland are better, at least for citizens. It is one of the major problems I have with Anguilla -- "guns are bad". I miss my M1A.
Well back when I lived in Israel during the early '80s everyone had guns, and a lots of them. My landlord had a small armory in his bombshelter (something ever home has). I do not know what the gun laws are there concerning non-military citizens, but considering that everyone is in the military this doesn't seem to be much of an issue (unless you are a Palestinian). Nice country to live, good climate (comparable to southern California), friendly people, civilized country, strong European influence to the culture (for obvious reasons), parliamentary form of government. Inflation was *very* bad when I was there (I think only Italy & Argentina was worse) hopefully this has improved. I left at the end of '82 before all this crap with the Palestinians started. I don't know what shape basic liberties have taken since I have left. I imagine that after 50 years of continual war things are a little more restrictive than what most Americans are accustom to. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: Windows: The CP/M of the future! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNfVNqI9Co1n+aLhhAQH3EwP/VZ0hgtMSKkx5Rdm538UbYGOCRjZ3bQbG TrbSm1nVbtT3UeT6vXbm8thrl9zmu8wQup0iOhLqmbDIFfKrgr43rOnS8vWos1Ud JPMmt5lKwzsq40QhJNd1bPBU98Bk4do9gH4U4035b12Pkd85lJXHJHMe3BVUDRHT hNSNmbecAE0= =3Q9Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
At 7:26 AM -0700 9/8/98, Ryan Lackey wrote:
[gun control laws in other countries being even worse than the US]
Does anyone know of any countries with more reasonable gun laws than the US? I vaguely think Israel and Switzerland are better, at least for citizens. It is one of the major problems I have with Anguilla -- "guns are bad". I miss my M1A.
Don't automatically assume Israel is good for gun ownership. If you're an untermenschen, a schwarzen, a sand nigger, an Arab, you can't legally own a gun. Unless you're one of the Trustees, i.e., a deputized member of the PLO's military or police. The Chosen People are of course encouraged to have fully automatic weapons. (This is not a detailed elaboration of Israeli gun laws. Maybe even some Jews are forbidden to have guns. Israel has a lot of laws. But I know that "settlers" carry Uzi and suchlike openly, while Arabs in the same lands are forbidden from even owning shotguns or .22s.) Switzerland is also not what many think it is. While able-bodied men who served in the military have weapons issued to them that they keep at home, this does not necessarily imply gun ownership nirvana. For one thing, all the guns are tracked. For another, visitors or temporary residents face the usual surveillance state controls. Don't count on there being Gun Show and Swap Meets, where folks trade .45s and 9s and Uzis and AR-15s and M1As without benefit of notifying the Supreme Ruler and His Minions. (Such as our Second Amendment says we can do, until the commies took over in these Beknighted States.)
I mostly have two classes of guns I'd like to have: air pistol, for practice and competition, and military-style semiautomatic rifles, for practice and long-term defense. Self-defense handguns and shotguns are somewhat optional.
See above. Let us know if you find anyplace in the Caribbean which actually allows these kinds of guns to be owned by the sheeple. --Tim May "The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants...." ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <v03130303b21b0886ab43@[209.66.100.138]>, on 09/08/98 at 09:24 AM, Tim May <tcmay@got.net> said:
Does anyone know of any countries with more reasonable gun laws than the US? I vaguely think Israel and Switzerland are better, at least for citizens. It is one of the major problems I have with Anguilla -- "guns are bad". I miss my M1A.
Don't automatically assume Israel is good for gun ownership. If you're an untermenschen, a schwarzen, a sand nigger, an Arab, you can't legally own a gun. Unless you're one of the Trustees, i.e., a deputized member of the PLO's military or police.
The Chosen People are of course encouraged to have fully automatic weapons.
Yes Tim, we all know your anti-Israel position and your sympathy for the Palistinians even though they are in the position that they are due to their own actions. They started the war, got their asses beat and have been whining about it for the past 50 years. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: OS/2...Opens up Windows, shuts up Gates. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNfV1+o9Co1n+aLhhAQFYJQP+NKcHhRntStmWAukv9QuQ6rgoTrGihLjX MEHt9qxFtKbgFhtEMVBG6NufK/CxjPcKUj0RJpr2PTOTF2NQFsNRLP66lYk+FRRm RbLhXl3BixMZZyMNVDzCiG9cnlyHEWtKZMcUn8m3Kse7p91V+9Ld9KE/ZkJb5hyG xvvzah0MjTY= =+X7j -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
At 11:19 AM -0700 9/8/98, William H. Geiger III wrote:
Yes Tim, we all know your anti-Israel position and your sympathy for the Palistinians even though they are in the position that they are due to their own actions.
They started the war, got their asses beat and have been whining about it for the past 50 years.
We'll see who's whining after 2 million Zionists are consumed in the holy fire that sweeps through Haifa and Tel Aviv. Some Jews learned nothing from WWII. Ironic that our Cypherpunks technology, including remailers, will help the forces of liberation coordinate their attacks. On this point, Freeh and Reno are completely correct, as I have been saying for years. --Tim May "The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants...." ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <v03130306b21b29f68511@[209.66.100.138]>, on 09/08/98 at 11:41 AM, Tim May <tcmay@got.net> said:
Yes Tim, we all know your anti-Israel position and your sympathy for the Palistinians even though they are in the position that they are due to their own actions.
They started the war, got their asses beat and have been whining about it for the past 50 years.
We'll see who's whining after 2 million Zionists are consumed in the holy fire that sweeps through Haifa and Tel Aviv.
While you may gleefully look forward to such a day, need I remind you that it will be more than the Jews that go up in flames. Israel has a nice little stockpile of weapons and are not shy about using them. Any major attack against Israel is liable to cause the entire Middle East turned into one large glass bowl. More than likely Israel will make use of a pre-emptive strike before anyone gets close to finishing their weapons let alone launching them (I was there when Israel launched their attack against the Iraq Breeder Reactor the French were so kind to build for them).
Some Jews learned nothing from WWII.
Actually they learned quite a bit. They will *never* be herded into cattle cars and shipped off to the gas chambers again. They may eventually fall to the forces of darkness but they will do so fighting.
Ironic that our Cypherpunks technology, including remailers, will help the forces of liberation coordinate their attacks. On this point, Freeh and Reno are completely correct, as I have been saying for years.
forces of liberation? Lets see, Jews emigrate to Trans-Jordan, *buy* land from the arabs living there, and live peaceably. The British decide to divide up this area between Jordan, Palestine, and Israel. The Grand Mufti declares a "holy war" against the Jews in which the Palestinians and several neighboring countries join. The Arabs loose, the Jews win. They continue this war for the next 50 years with various periods of cease-fire. Every time they loose. What the Arabs have attempted to do is finish the job the Nazi's started. Only the Jews are not going to go down without a fight. The continuing conflict in the Middle East has not been a battle of liberation but a war of ethnic cleansing and extermination against the Jews. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: One man's Windows are another man's walls. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNfWx2I9Co1n+aLhhAQFfswP+LOQ1zJfGKfIoIO1AcKpWumaMSoO9xheA dY40gRUN8QDhhMqBMND7vGnU2UMDZ2yQXoGjIPl1W/NgevZdFcVrj195Hb1XCO7b 7+lxbO670vFeA40NCGs3JqnNk2KpzyCSLl9QJRlxd7a/yxseJ0Lei8KEXbJ5E/SV C96AeJpygTU= =far2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
At 2:44 PM -0500 9/8/98, William H. Geiger III wrote:
What the Arabs have attempted to do is finish the job the Nazi's started.
Bullshit. I don't care much for palestinians, mostly for cultural reasons, but they were, in the begininging not interested in killing every jew in the world, they may not have liked the Northern European Jews, but from what I've seen, there wasn't any love lost the other way. Personally, I hope they BOTH nuke each other off the god damn planet and take all that fucking oil with them.
Only the Jews are not going to go down without a fight. The continuing conflict in the Middle East has not been a battle of liberation but a war of ethnic cleansing and extermination against the Jews.
No, more like a get off our fucking land. petro@playboy.com----for work related issues. I don't speak for Playboy. petro@bounty.org-----for everthing else. They wouldn't like that. They REALLY Economic speech IS political speech. wouldn't like that.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <v03110710b21b6a259806@[206.189.103.244]>, on 09/08/98 at 06:17 PM, Petro <petro@playboy.com> said:
No, more like a get off our fucking land.
Sure thing, and where you live, exactly who's land was it before you got there? - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: If at first you don't succeed, work for Microsoft. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNfYDZo9Co1n+aLhhAQEbeQP+Me7nXx6bhbVGyPD6yYmGruyaKTbwVZaV SbKzSWS/EY2I6yQyDDw9ajGvvjOtZzqyqhGshfpXCWSgAmd/TyZ+pSAR/cjEFOru cQSuklDR/Bb5i2ogqNNydaHXC8SzzaZYkqt+FUrdME7nZll6LAfad9jThliEDyDv 3F3RP/mV9wQ= =yrE9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
And it wouldn't have happened had the victorious superpowers decided the sand niggers in Palestine could be kicked off their land. (I have no beef with those Jews who peacefully bought land in Palestine prior to this mass resettlement.)
No doubt the Arabs were being given the shaft. First by the Ottomans (western lackys that they were) and then by the superpowers themselves after they could no longer hide behind a puppet regime. The Arabs didn't make things any better by refusing to accept any Jewish settlers, including those who had purchased land from first the Ottomans and then the Palestinians. The Palestinians had been told no harm would come to those of them who stood aside and warned if they fought or fled their lands they wouldn't be welcomed back. When it comes to nations, fairness has historically had little influence on such outcomes. In the end, all property belongs to those who can keep it (by whatever means are necessary). --Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- reply to schear - at - lvcm - dot - com --- PGP mail preferred, see http://www.pgp.com and http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html RSA fingerprint: FE90 1A95 9DEA 8D61 812E CCA9 A44A FBA9 RSA key: http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=0x55C78B0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------
At 11:25 PM -0500 9/8/98, William H. Geiger III wrote:
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In <v03110710b21b6a259806@[206.189.103.244]>, on 09/08/98 at 06:17 PM, Petro <petro@playboy.com> said:
No, more like a get off our fucking land.
Sure thing, and where you live, exactly who's land was it before you got there?
Point is, the "Arabs" didn't start it, the UN/European leaders (US, UK, FR, and RU) did. If I move you off your property at the point of a gun, should I expect you to _like_ it, even if I gave you what I consider "fair market value"? Oh, and the about should have read: No, more like a "get off our fucking land". petro@playboy.com----for work related issues. I don't speak for Playboy. petro@bounty.org-----for everthing else. They wouldn't like that. They REALLY Economic speech IS political speech. wouldn't like that.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <v03110703b21c4777ca38@[206.189.103.244]>, on 09/09/98 at 09:58 AM, Petro <petro@playboy.com> said:
At 11:25 PM -0500 9/8/98, William H. Geiger III wrote:
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In <v03110710b21b6a259806@[206.189.103.244]>, on 09/08/98 at 06:17 PM, Petro <petro@playboy.com> said:
No, more like a get off our fucking land.
Sure thing, and where you live, exactly who's land was it before you got there?
Point is, the "Arabs" didn't start it, the UN/European leaders (US, UK, FR, and RU) did.
Both the Palestinians and the Jews living in Trans-Jordan wanted their own country. The UN resolution divided up the land based on population and gave each group their own country. Israel declared their independence, the Palestinians listened to the Grand Mufti and join in the holy war to wipe out the Jews. The Arabs lost, too bad, game over. And interesting note to the whole palestinian "issue" is that the majority of the population of Jordan is palestinian!! And long before the Intifada the PLO tried to take over the government of Jordan and were embroiled in civil war for most of the 60's and early 70's. The Jordanian Arabs finally kick the PLO out in the early 70's (71 maybe 72).
If I move you off your property at the point of a gun, should I expect you to _like_ it, even if I gave you what I consider "fair market value"?
This re-wright of history might give you warm fuzzies but no one was moved at gun point off their land (at least not until the Arabs started the war). The Jews that emigrated to Trans-Jordan/Palestine *purchased* the land from the Arabs that were living there. Even after the war the majority of palestinians left on their own. None of the current Arab countries existed until the British carved up their conquered territory after WWI. If Israel is not "legitimate" because of UK/UN involvement does it follow that all of the Arab states that were formed at this time are also illegitimate? Perhaps we should should re-unite the Ottoman Empire? How far back in history do you want to go to find the "legitimate" territorial boundaries? Persian? Roman? Israel? Egyptian? Sumerian? I find it quite hypocritical of Americans who see the Israelites as occupiers and oppressors but would be outraged at calls to give back the south-west to Mexico. Tim, you want to give your ranch to some Mexican family since the Americans took that land from them? but then the mexicans would have to give that land back to some deserving "native" Americans as they took that land from them. But then again we would have to sift through the thousands of years of tribal warfare and migration to find the one true owners of the land. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: OS/2: Windows with bullet-proof glass. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNfbEUI9Co1n+aLhhAQGMYgP/Wy+8lVZ6b1YiadmpJ2J/chGcj0NoFbp9 uQhCtPoV2017EdU9c0AcI1PtJ+Bat3wNrZsBMgcnRxA+elgBLe9EbI7kCLIiTr6d 8Kv1stRtd2UPcAoqbJR0EBKtGaryfZY1TzCC2SBbKJUi8pJnfET20wj4Trihw+jh lSpcGvvHVjg= =jXCe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
At 9:25 PM -0700 9/8/98, William H. Geiger III wrote: \
In <v03110710b21b6a259806@[206.189.103.244]>, on 09/08/98 at 06:17 PM, Petro <petro@playboy.com> said:
No, more like a get off our fucking land.
Sure thing, and where you live, exactly who's land was it before you got there?
Well, I take a lot more seriously the claims of a Palestinian orange grower in Jaffa who is farming land that has been in his family for many generations than I do the claim of an Auschwitz survivor from Krakow who claims that YHVH or some other bearded Sky Father gave his lineage the entire land 3000 years ago. What was done to the Jews by Hitler in WWII was horrible. But the solution was not to take ethnic Northern Europeans (much more of their genetic material is Russian, Latvian, Polish, northern European in general, than is Semitic) and resettle them on the lands of people who've actually been living in the area and farming it for at least the past several generations, and probably closer to the past few thousand years. A claim that Yahweh "gave" Palestine to those who have been living in Poland for a thousand years is just pure bullshit. And it wouldn't have happened had the victorious superpowers decided the sand niggers in Palestine could be kicked off their land. (I have no beef with those Jews who peacefully bought land in Palestine prior to this mass resettlement.) Frankly, I've always thought the suitable place for the Allies to have resettled the Jews--to the extent it was our business at all--was Germany itself. Plenty of conquered villages, plenty of seized castles and villas and chalets. And if the Jews thought this was too "icky," to be resettled in the land of their oppression, and insisted instead that the Alllies push the sand niggers out of their orange groves...well, fuck 'em. Given 'em a loaf of bread and wish them good luck and send them on their way. (And let us not forget the actions of the Stern Gang and such in blowing up the King David Hotel.) The chickens are coming home to roost. --Tim May "The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants...." ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <v03130305b21bb44e5bb2@[209.66.100.149]>, on 09/08/98 at 09:40 PM, Tim May <tcmay@got.net> said:
And it wouldn't have happened had the victorious superpowers decided the sand niggers in Palestine could be kicked off their land. (I have no beef with those Jews who peacefully bought land in Palestine prior to this mass resettlement.)
Sorry Tim, you need to re-check your history. No one was kicked off their land until *after* war broke out in '45. All land occupied by the Jews before that was *purchased* from the Arabs living there. There was also a large percentage of land that was either desert or swaps that was reclaimed by the Jews and turned into productive farm land. Tel Aviv was nothing but sand and scrub brush before the Jews started building there (there was the Ancient city of Jaffo which Tel Aviv has now encompassed but it took decades of expansion before Tel Aviv reached that far south). After the various battles of this 50 year war large percentages of the Palestinian population left Israelie held territory, but this had more to do with the Arab leaders calling for them to do so (and their not wanting to live under Israelie rule) than it did with the Jews pushing them out. Similar migrations were seen when India and Pakistan were created. Large portions of Moslem population that were living in India moved to Pakistan despite Ghandi's calls for them to stay. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: One man's Windows are another man's walls. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNfbNiY9Co1n+aLhhAQGZ2AQAgWGUujzGbVvq6uhqnE4fEabsvZCJiYqP J5MCk3+Z/FJ/ufV37pOlDlBjApPBl87kVmrDdbzlYSRizSsF5Y2dttJ+X5gskeWp sbXoPdAH7IWTm0AVCzhYJQCS0nO+Af1UT6mLSYl4v4RAmVC3wVIqvmz8lf0eRpLd JjYMsLMyHRA= =G2i7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
At 11:25 AM -0700 9/9/98, William H. Geiger III wrote:
After the various battles of this 50 year war large percentages of the Palestinian population left Israelie held territory, but this had more to do with the Arab leaders calling for them to do so (and their not wanting to live under Israelie rule) than it did with the Jews pushing them out.
Yes, many farmers and others left the war zone in 1948 to stay with relatives and friends and such in safer areas. Can anyone blame them? Ah, but now they and their children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren live in tents in refugee camps for a simple reason: they were not allowed to return to their homes and land. Did this vacation in Jordan or Egypt or Lebanon or wherever mean they lost the title to their homes and land? Apparently the newly arrived transplants from Poland and Latvia and such felt this to be the case. This is comparable to my going to Oregon to escape the Reconquista Wars in California, and returning a few months later to find the borders sealed. (Issues that those who departed may have fallen behind in mortgage payments and had their farms repossesed by banks, etc., are clearly separable...and minor, from my readings of Middle Eastern history.) "You left your land. Enjoy your life in the tent camp at the Oregon-California border. Meanwhile, your ranch is now my ranch. Oh, and could give me all of your spare keys? And how does the sprinkler system work?" Israel is based on moral bankruptcy. The supposed guilt of the West (huh? we didn't gas the Jews, and we lost millions of lives fighting Hitler) led to the "ragheads" being kicked off their land. --Tim May "The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants...." ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.
At 1:19 PM -0500 9/8/98, William H. Geiger III wrote:
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In <v03130303b21b0886ab43@[209.66.100.138]>, on 09/08/98 at 09:24 AM, Tim May <tcmay@got.net> said:
Does anyone know of any countries with more reasonable gun laws than the US? I vaguely think Israel and Switzerland are better, at least for citizens. It is one of the major problems I have with Anguilla -- "guns are bad". I miss my M1A.
Don't automatically assume Israel is good for gun ownership. If you're an untermenschen, a schwarzen, a sand nigger, an Arab, you can't legally own a gun. Unless you're one of the Trustees, i.e., a deputized member of the PLO's military or police.
The Chosen People are of course encouraged to have fully automatic weapons.
Yes Tim, we all know your anti-Israel position and your sympathy for the Palistinians even though they are in the position that they are due to their own actions.
They started the war, got their asses beat and have been whining about it for the past 50 years.
Crap, the U.N. (what was that about "United?") started the shit when they ham-fisted decided that the "homeland" the "Jews" needed was land considered holy by the Moslems AND Christians, and ignored the fact that the jews were just as racist and bigoted as a group as the Kikes that had been trying to cook them. Israel was a DUMB idea, like mixing Nitric acid and Glycerol in a blender. Anyone who thought it wouldn't end in violence was a total fool, anyone who thinks that the Powers That Be want it cool down is a bigger fool. petro@playboy.com----for work related issues. I don't speak for Playboy. petro@bounty.org-----for everthing else. They wouldn't like that. They REALLY Economic speech IS political speech. wouldn't like that.
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