Tim May writes:

I'll have to get it off the Iraqi or Syrian sites.

Quite frankly, if PGP is now 5 meg of Lord-knows-what that won't even execute from a command line under DOS, I think I will stay with version 2.6, whose contents I am familiar with. Just another shrink-wrapped box of GAK, until otherwise demonstrated. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ mpd@netcom.com $ via Finger. $

At 11:49 AM 5/18/97 -0800, Tim May wrote:

At 10:11 AM -0800 5/18/97, Tim May wrote:

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I'll have to get it off the Iraqi or Syrian sites.

Hey, thanks everyone, no more pointers are needed. My favorite crypto guru in the Estekhbarat gave me a pointer to his site. Alas, my version of the Macintosh OS is not recent enough to use this program.

(Funny how most Windows software will run on the 6-year old 3.1, but Mac software often requires the latest "x.01" rev of the unstable OS. I knew I'd pay a price for defecting from the Borg.)

The reason for this is that the MicroBorg made it too hard to develop for the latest version of their software. (Probably in an attempt to kill off/assimilate Borgland.) Many people stuck with the old tools instead of upgrading to the new ones... I prefer Unix. At least most tools come with source... (And the GNU compilers are a hell of a lot more stable and bug free than their Windows counterparts.)

Shows you that ordinary compatibility issues are a more effective bar to world-wide use than the weak attempts by the USG to limit access by foreigners. When the Estekhbarat has it, you _know_ such controls are pointless.

When I want to point out how absurd the whole thing is, I just tell them about what it takes to get PGP. Either jump through the hoops in the US or go to one of many offshore sites and not jump through the hoops. It also helps when a couple of the "big name" algorythms are patented/created by companies outside of the US. ("Wait. You mean I can't distribute IDEA because it might fall into foreign hands? But it's owned by the Swiss!")

There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws.

When will they learn that the reason people have so much disrespect for laws is that we have so few laws worth respecting?

Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!"

I am waiting for one of these CongressCritters to propose a "Chastity Belt Key Escrow bill". Especially for those pages on the Senate floor... (OBCongressJoke: "Why don't congressmen use bookmarks? They like their pages bent over.") I can just imagine the debate on that one! --- | "Bill Clinton - Bringing back the sixties one Nixon at a time." | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano@teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan@ctrl-alt-del.com|

At 8:33 AM -0800 5/19/97, John W. Noerenberg wrote:

At 12:26 PM -0700 5/18/97, Alan Olsen wrote:

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Have you noticed that none of the PGP people have posted as of late? I wonder if they were among the "purged".

I understand they are taking a very narrow interpretation of the prohibition about rendering technical assistance to non-US citizens. Mailing lists may not be public enough, so they are being cautious.

Interestingly, PGP staffers have been "helping" exports at physical Cypherpunks meetings...which they view as ideal fora for bypassing the U.S. laws. Companies wishing to communicate important crypto information to foreign developers have used the physical meetings to do this "legally" (so they claim...I'm not a lawyer). (That several Japanese nationals were at one such meeting, picking up the PGP documentation, did not matter. Nor did it matter that the presentation was videotaped for non-U.S. distribution. Nor that other foreign nationals were in the audience.) Of course, if Prof. Junger loses his case, I suppose we'll have to check for passports at the door. (Though such checking of passports probably violates other laws about discrimination. For example, the "Egghead example" (does Egghead face charges if it sells to a foreigner?). Does Egghead get in antidiscrimination trouble if it asks to see some documentation on dark-skinned or foreign-looking persons, while not, obviously, demanding passports from white-skinned or black-skinned 'Muricans?) --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

(I was locked out of getting my mail tonight for more than an hour, when a member of the Cypherpunks list _mailed_ me a several-megabyte file without asking first. As I explain in my message to Steve Schear, I have no way of removing such "mail bombs" with my Eudora/POP system until they have been downloaded to my machine (I don't have a shell account anymore). I suppose by admitting this I am opening myself to being mailbombed by Dmitri V., Vladimir N, and my other Russian (or ersatz Russian) enemies.) At 10:47 AM -0800 5/18/97, Steve Schear wrote:

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I'll have to get it off the Iraqi or Syrian sites.

Saddam doesn't want yanquis to think he is heartless. Consider this a humanitarian gesture from the good people of Iraq.

Attachment converted: APS 1GB Fireball:PGP 50b16 Installer.sit (SITD/SIT!) (0001153F)

PGP mail preferred

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your little "gesture" shut my system down through repeated attempts to download it. It would load a bit, fail, then have to start over. It took me more than an hour to get a complete download, at which point I could finally delete that 4 MB file. (I use a POP server and Eudora Pro 3.0 and know of no way to abort or skip a load, except to call my sysadmin during business hours and ask him to delete the message.) THANKS FOR FUCKING NOTHING. Never, ever, ever send me a large file without asking first!!!!!!!!!!! Disgusted, --TCM There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

Tim May <tcmay@got.net> writes:

(I was locked out of getting my mail tonight for more than an hour, when a member of the Cypherpunks list _mailed_ me a several-megabyte file without asking first. As I explain in my message to Steve Schear, I have no way of removing such "mail bombs" with my Eudora/POP system until they have been downloaded to my machine (I don't have a shell account anymore). I suppose by admitting this I am opening myself to being mailbombed by Dmitri V., Vladimir N, and my other Russian (or ersatz Russian) enemies.)

Idiot - why would I want to do that? Idiot - tell your POP client not to download files > certain size. Idiot - get your shell account back. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps