hello it is i josh once again i finally bought a book for visual basic does anyone know where i can get a complier for version 5 the book is by waite group press by e zone it's web based though and i don't have the internet but i think it will be fine reading it out of the book what do you think thanx josh _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]