On Tue, 13 May 1997, The Spectre wrote:

To: cypherpunks@toad.com Date: Tue May 13 09:55:34 1997

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Dimi (Closet Homo) isa pimply old dweeb sitting at a Xenix 286 computer masturbating at his own imagined cleverness.

This is the down side to anonymous remailers.. I think if you don't have the balls to say something, don't say it.

Obviously, someone is saying something they don't wan't other people to think they think..

I am, obviously, tired of adding filters to my mailbox. Please knock off this bullshit. I think whoever posted this is a pimply young asshole sitting on a c64 attempting to masturbate himself but can't find a microscope with high enough magnification.

Agreed. While I will restrain my oppinions of our unfriendly KOTM with a doctorate from the KGB, I'm tired of these spams. Yes, they include the ones that IMHO come from Vulis, the ones to which Graham replies, the anonymous ones that reply to Graham, the permutations of them that spam Toto, and these. :( If you want to rag on Tim or Vulis, please do so, but not by setting up spam bots. Granted some of those are funny the first time you see them, but automating them makes them as welcome as listening to an annoying fly buzzing over and over in your face. Hell, the nice bomb making spam too is also a bitch being posted here. One could give the poster the benefit of the doubt, but it smells quite of the tactics used by the Postal fiends that mail child porno to an unsuspecting citizen unit, then arrest that citizen unit upon receipt. Lets not give the evil onesof the government more horsemen to ride over us. :( A url to the stuff and a summary would have sufficed. (And I'll restrain myself from saying that this was done by Vulis, though IMHO, it smells of his style of spam. :) =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian | "So make a move and plead the fifth, |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder@sundernet.com| 'cause you can't pleade the first!" |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ | |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, | For with those which eternal lie, with |.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"| strange aeons, even death may die. |..... ======================== http://www.sundernet.com =========================

First Declan, now Ray: At 7:10 AM -0800 5/13/97, Ray Arachelian wrote:

Hell, the nice bomb making spam too is also a bitch being posted here. One could give the poster the benefit of the doubt, but it smells quite of the tactics used by the Postal fiends that mail child porno to an unsuspecting citizen unit, then arrest that citizen unit upon receipt. Lets not give the evil onesof the government more horsemen to ride over us. :(

As ur-cyberpunk Burroughs noted, we must beware "the policeman inside." Authorities _want_ people to "police themselves," to think twice before speaking freely, to limit the topic of their conversations, and to generally fear the knock on the door late at night (or, in fin de siecle Amerika, the suddent appearance of black-clad ninja in one's bedroom at 4 a.m., shooting anything that moves). Bomb-making information is protected by the First Amendment. Period. So is crypto information. So is saying Congressmen are vermin who need to be taken out and shot. Get this straight, people! (Now whether such opinions are to one's taste, or whether the Cypherpunks list is a reasonable forum for posting bomb-making plans...well, that's a completely different issue, one of taste and appropriateness, than the calls by Declan and Ray that such messages are dangerous and could invite retaliation by the Authorities. If that's indeed the case, then by all means we should be posting bomb-making instructions and calls for treason trials with street justice.) Beware the policeman inside. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."