Could someone throw a little light my way with regards to the permute[] array being derived from pi? I'm just not seeing it, I guess. Sorry for the interruption, I owe the list several off-topic flames and a discussion of some random non-crypto stuff at a later date. -- Kevin L. Prigge | "You can always spot a well informed man - UofM Central Computing | his views are the same as yours." email: klp@tc.umn.edu | - Ilka Chase PGP Key Fingerprint = FC E5 EE E7 8B 2E E9 D5 DA 1C 5D 6B 98 52 F6 24