Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
Cypherpunks make the news again. I'm watching the LA NBC news channel, and they report that the Oregon "look up any license plate" Web site is causing a flap. Though apparently legal, the critics admit, the Governor wants the material removed. (Sounds like a good time to mirror it on some other sites, pronto!) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:
Cypherpunks make the news again.
I'm watching the LA NBC news channel, and they report that the Oregon "look up any license plate" Web site is causing a flap. Though apparently legal, the critics admit, the Governor wants the material removed.
It also hit the front page of the Oregonian (Portland's most stogy newspaper). They had a quote from the person who put up the page claiming his reasons behind it was "that he did not like all those anonymous drivers out there able to act however they wanted". It will be interesting to see the state come out on the side of all those anonymous drivers.
Looks like we're a little late. However, we can still grab the tape from Oregon's DMV for $220. It would be an interesting excercise to try to get these tapes from each state with similar provisions and put them all online. Anyone want to donate server space? -Declan http://www.spiritone.com/cgi-bin/plates Service has been temporarily suspended. Don't panic, I just want to think about the situation for a while. Stay tuned. --Aaron --- There is a very real chance that it will be turned off. That's becuase all of the people who hate it call the TV and Radio stations, the DMV, and their elected representitives. All of the people who love it send me email. As much as I appreciate hearing from all of you, sending me email doesn't let anyone else know how you feel. If you want to keep this service going, make your voices heard. On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:
Cypherpunks make the news again.
I'm watching the LA NBC news channel, and they report that the Oregon "look up any license plate" Web site is causing a flap. Though apparently legal, the critics admit, the Governor wants the material removed.
(Sounds like a good time to mirror it on some other sites, pronto!)
--Tim May
Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
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On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Looks like we're a little late. However, we can still grab the tape from Oregon's DMV for $220. It would be an interesting excercise to try to get these tapes from each state with similar provisions and put them all online.
This information has been available in Oregon for at least a couple of years on CD. I've always been concerned about the privacy implications of that service -- perhaps that's the upside of this story? That people do give a rat's ass about their privacy? I do think that the information should be able to be disseminated on the Net as long as it's legal. Rich ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Rich Burroughs wrote:
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:50:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Burroughs <richieb@teleport.com> To: cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Looks like we're a little late. However, we can still grab the tape from Oregon's DMV for $220. It would be an interesting excercise to try to get these tapes from each state with similar provisions and put them all online.
This information has been available in Oregon for at least a couple of years on CD. I've always been concerned about the privacy implications of that service -- perhaps that's the upside of this story? That people do give a rat's ass about their privacy?
I do think that the information should be able to be disseminated on the Net as long as it's legal.
Yes, but I can also see why its a bad idea to put somebody's VIN on the Net... A clever terrorist would simply plant peices of metal with some other loser's VIN's in their car before blowing up a building, (i.e. my name's McVeigh (sp?), and this rider truck came from Oregon ;)... see my point? I do think that some information could be allowed (what your tag says, your name, your mailing address), but what was put on he net was excesive. --Deviant Horse racing *is* a stable business ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMgreiTAJap8fyDMVAQHVawf/Txcu6RrhfLvx1kW3Z1VKXmzcP/AeDaeB 2VkEsicQ6xIeHHCUqrE88gJyEVdk8LXRg9wD2OQQObeQUtt6kjAyyxF4QlRz8zVC EkgD4LAlgSfK/JErkO9rHuYutRc2FFtccd48GilQXTDBQWNLJWojLuObdqnxkT5s zQDaLvVyy5p4bN2QN76nH+RnAoin+guyEl9EG4TBPo17uY2rIwt3NkTGIfASiKL5 46ugaobiE3Hmaw3GW3YR4nyva35ur3BwAo4uOmfyqsU3MEZx6SoGQpQlzIWDPqwa T73LplenMei1oTCTssQzF4YODHkqVv0u1uNpVI3GXJgwNKupfMOOtA== =Z9sz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
I wrote:
I do think that the information should be able to be disseminated on the Net as long as it's legal.
"The Deviant" wrote:
Yes, but I can also see why its a bad idea to put somebody's VIN on the Net... A clever terrorist would simply plant peices of metal with some other loser's VIN's in their car before blowing up a building, (i.e. my name's McVeigh (sp?), and this rider truck came from Oregon ;)... see my point?
A clever terrorist could get the CD and do the same thing :) They're clever, right?
I do think that some information could be allowed (what your tag says, your name, your mailing address), but what was put on he net was excesive.
That's a function of what information the State decides to make availble. The fact that it's on the Net or not shoudln't be the issue. If I can buy it on a CD or march into a State office and get it, the same potential harms exist. I persoannly think this info is a privacy threat. But if it's legal to distribute in other forums, the Net should be no different, IMHO. All Net terrorist hype aside. Rich ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Rich Burroughs wrote:
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:12:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Burroughs <richieb@teleport.com> To: cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
I wrote:
I do think that the information should be able to be disseminated on the Net as long as it's legal.
"The Deviant" wrote:
Yes, but I can also see why its a bad idea to put somebody's VIN on the Net... A clever terrorist would simply plant peices of metal with some other loser's VIN's in their car before blowing up a building, (i.e. my name's McVeigh (sp?), and this rider truck came from Oregon ;)... see my point?
A clever terrorist could get the CD and do the same thing :) They're clever, right?
Yes, well, true, but my point was that not _all_ of that information should be available AT ALL.
I do think that some information could be allowed (what your tag says, your name, your mailing address), but what was put on he net was excesive.
That's a function of what information the State decides to make availble. The fact that it's on the Net or not shoudln't be the issue. If I can buy it on a CD or march into a State office and get it, the same potential harms exist.
I persoannly think this info is a privacy threat. But if it's legal to distribute in other forums, the Net should be no different, IMHO. All Net terrorist hype aside.
I agree. If its available, the net is as good a medium as any. --Deviant You know you've been spending too much time on the computer when your friend misdates a check, and you suggest adding a "++" to fix it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMgt+1DAJap8fyDMVAQHctQf+Mg3pI74FLc9VzfeZoLDUU0DLzM0UYKg/ 7G1HVUXPOS3CRuc40vUTx+1LO/6uGyfDUvZeW/tGEOP0tKAJ9jWZZbrbvs3XBl+G +HPu7f4rJcsLqRLEVW8wGbJ+Z15RjtrJaB/A/QUxFwmz8y6b8XN1uAAb1Myh2fiT XMwHW6L+dGsMIKZpAf018kdktlSLsgY4lkgcMb1b6utZkonX5POSw7DCmThOmFNp gSaL5eKmLRHpYI2SAL48sAXvPD3Yg397/3bApIi7X2EzAlfEttg0lYlt2IMIKNsi R+Zovv+npr/uqU4mTfwCgshHMQTXfMaXeKz8S55nQt1Tsvc6ZOIPPA== =Q2OD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, The Deviant wrote:
On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Rich Burroughs wrote:
I do think that the information should be able to be disseminated on the Net as long as it's legal.
What does "legal" have to do with it?
Yes, but I can also see why its a bad idea to put somebody's VIN on the Net... A clever terrorist would simply plant peices of metal with some other loser's VIN's in their car before blowing up a building, (i.e. my name's McVeigh (sp?), and this rider truck came from Oregon ;)... see my point?
Come on, we all know that McVeigh was set up by ZOG. It was conclusively proven that the Oklahoma City Federal Building was bombed from the inside with military explosives, a clear provocation.
I do think that some information could be allowed (what your tag says, your name, your mailing address), but what was put on he net was excesive.
What do you mean, "allowed"? The market will decide. If you don't like what someone has said about you, send Jim Bell an anonymous note. The market will decide. Fucking statist. - -rich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBMgtjX5NcNyVVy0jxAQGECAH9G6/T6243AP0/IyxGEgZ6UHALcgWypJsa B4rxfxhQIichV7crUQ5cJvvXdyGZFMlZLPbHolgNbb+ik4sDk7YkBA== =2z/C -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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