Re: [NOISE] Censorship of Dr. Vulius
At 10:00 AM 11/4/96 -0500, you wrote:
someone abuses that priveledge they may lose it. Plain and simple. It is also worthy to note that the Right to Free Speech, etc. applies to the government (IOW, the government can not hinder the right to free speech so long as that speech does not infringe upon someone else's right. Since when is this list government run? The decision was apparently a personal one.
I don't think anyone has argued that the owner of the list doesn't have the right to remove people from it. However, simply because he has the right to doesn't mean he should, and it also doesn't mean other members can't or shouldn't argue that he made a bad decision (unless, of course, the dissenting members are removed as well.) Many, if not most, members believe the list should be run in a non-authoritarian manner (whoever argued that the term authoritarian applies only to governments is wrong. the difference is a person has the right to act in an authoritarian manner over his own property whereas a government doesn't have that right over it's citizens. Again, however, having the right doesn't necessarily make it "okay"). //cerridwyn//
Cerridwyn Llewyellyn
I don't think anyone has argued that the owner of the list doesn't have the right to remove people from it. However, simply because he has the right to doesn't mean he should, and it also doesn't mean other members can't or shouldn't argue that he made a bad decision (unless, of course, the dissentin members are removed as well.) Many, if not most, members believe the list should be run in a non-authoritarian manner (whoever argued that the term authoritarian applies only to governments is wrong. the difference is a pers has the right to act in an authoritarian manner over his own property whereas a government doesn't have that right over it's citizens. Again, however, having the right doesn't necessarily make it "okay").
I wholeheartedly concur. I happen to own a lot of books. I disagree with a lot that's said in those books. I have the right to burn my books, but I don't. :-) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
Cerridwyn Llewyellyn
At 10:00 AM 11/4/96 -0500, you wrote:
someone abuses that priveledge they may lose it. Plain and simple. It is also worthy to note that the Right to Free Speech, etc. applies to the government (IOW, the government can not hinder the right to free speech so long as that speech does not infringe upon someone else's right. Since when is this list government run? The decision was apparently a personal one.
I don't think anyone has argued that the owner of the list doesn't have the right to remove people from it. However, simply because he has the right to doesn't mean he should, and it also doesn't mean other members can't or shouldn't argue that he made a bad decision (unless, of course, the dissentin members are removed as well.) Many, if not most, members believe the list should be run in a non-authoritarian manner (whoever argued that the term authoritarian applies only to governments is wrong. the difference is a pers has the right to act in an authoritarian manner over his own property whereas a government doesn't have that right over it's citizens. Again, however, having the right doesn't necessarily make it "okay").
John has the right to practice censorship on his mailing list, and he's just exercised his right. He also has the right to burn all the books he owns. Someone mentioned the speech codes at private universities as examples of censorship. Again, they have the right to do that, and they may or may not jeopardise their credibility. As Alan Derschowitz pointed out, when Harvard claims to be a bastiod of academic freedom while at the same time outlawing "politically correct" speech, it's neither a criminal act nor a tort, they simply lose their credibility. Likewise Brigham Young University claims to follow the teachings of ASmith & Young, not John Stuart Mills. They would damage their credibility if they did _not restrict certain kinds of speech and activities, such as gay-and-lesbian organizations paid for with student activity fees. BYU's words and actions are consistent, while John Gilmore's are not. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
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