-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In light of the great amount of discussion currently taking place in regard to the benefits and disadvantages of my latest bid for money, power, fame and the respect of the corporate computer industry, I would like to reassure the cynics that my committment to privacy has never been stronger. However, I have reassessed my views of who truly has a right to control access to privacy and have come to the conclusion that privacy is too important an issue to be left in the hands of the individual, with the obvious potential for misuse. After a review of the astounding success of the PGP Public Key Server's use, in conjunction with our PGP Privy Products, in ensuring proper key management and control of forgery, spoofing and misuse of Public/Private Key technology, it has become clear that individual privacy can best be ensured under the watchful eye of those with the resources to provide proper surveillance of those who have earned the right to privacy, in order to prevent abuse of that right. I would like to thank my other brother, Phil (Hallam-Baker), for helping me to see that unsupervised use of the right to privacy could result in individuals misusing that right to publish extremely embarassing pictures of me in compromising positions which could affect my credibility. As a matter of fact, it was PH-B who suggested my new signature line. PRZ ~~~ "I don't put them in the PGPtray...I just turn on the GAK." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNE/sV17MfpC8gEO7EQKaCQCePKAo033KBg/O/T9Nz5IrGLIcCZcAn0L4 JDtdMovT9RZKA4PXwJTNdvpr =Xvzl - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNE/svUlfPVhsMJvfEQI2zgCg8aQ15PEU4eNItEprsLQHd2259fIAn2a1 wwKyecnoEQuCElB3ZtJBZQBz =53jb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, there's no way in nine hells that Phillip R. Zimmermann could have wrote: ...
However, I have reassessed my views of who truly has a right to control access to privacy and have come to the conclusion that privacy is too important an issue to be left in the hands of the individual, with the obvious potential for misuse.
Hmm...I haven't checked any signatures or headers yet, but something tells me that this ain't PRZ. For example, the Organization: header refers to Orwell's 1984 as a "blueprint"...forget the signatures (just got a message saying they match -- either that person's lying, "they" cracked his key, or it's some detail that has the program using a different key/ignoring some text), it is psychologically impossible for someone to go from privacy advocate to 1984-as-a-blueprint that quick. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randall Farmer rfarmer@hiwaay.net http://hiwaay.net/~rfarmer
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Randall Farmer wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, there's no way in nine hells that Phillip R. Zimmermann could have wrote: ...
However, I have reassessed my views of who truly has a right to control access to privacy and have come to the conclusion that privacy is too important an issue to be left in the hands of the individual, with the obvious potential for misuse.
Hmm...I haven't checked any signatures or headers yet, but something tells me that this ain't PRZ.
Randall, Good eye. This forgery even fooled some of us at PGP. However, I immediately recognized that PRZ's alleged new signature line: "I don't put them in the PGPtray...I just turn on the GAK." was backwards. That is Lying Jackoff Fuck Louis J. Freeh's line. Phil's new signature line now reads: "I just put them in the PGPtray...I don't turn on the GAK." Jason ~~~~~ "It's not a mask, it's an attitude." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNFAEDsIoHaOg9jRdEQJrNQCeIPY8Kx8SX0XF/iI+Dt0lkZ94F3QAniWQ BRedHLydVsyjxBLmfP6d9NNo =rLE4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Some lame forger pretended Randall Farmer wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, there's no way in nine hells that Phillip R. Zimmermann could have wrote: ...
However, I have reassessed my views of who truly has a right to control access to privacy and have come to the conclusion that privacy is too important an issue to be left in the hands of the individual, with the obvious potential for misuse.
Hmm...I haven't checked any signatures or headers yet, but something tells me that this ain't PRZ. For example, the Organization: header refers to Orwell's 1984 as a "blueprint"...forget the signatures (just got a message saying they match -- either that person's lying, "they" cracked his key, or it's some detail that has the program using a different key/ignoring some text), it is psychologically impossible for someone to go from privacy advocate to 1984-as-a-blueprint that quick.
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The above is a lame forgery by some troublemaker, and only serves to underscore PRZ's new position, namely, that access to privacy should be supervised by people who have shown that they have the maturity to act responsibly, as evidenced by their success in a corporate atmosphere. I am PGP signing this post so that there can be no doubt as to its source and authenticity. Cypherpunks list subscribers should be more careful about checking signatures before believing everything they read. Randall Farmer rfarmer@hiwaay.net http://hiwaay.net/~rfarmer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNFAK/BpRm26Z4YsSEQIA0wCeJZ7R9w/XfDuE0HMo+eP/0ihYOykAoNef Gt1hIbRHpYtJ1jp/79hWZl0G =E9PX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Damn, that's annyoing. I don't have a PGP key, and never sign my messages. Note that my real message trailer has a line of dashes before it. I'm putting something confirming that the other message was a forgery (and confirming that I don't have a PGP key) on my web page -- http://hiwaay.net/~rfarmer (even the forger agrees that's my page). I'll also (possibly) create a key and post the real fingerprint/ID on my page if this becomes a problem. (Actually, probably not...can only run 2.6.2) Note that the keyserver probably has this as my key...I'll use a different name for my real key. Some lame forger pretended Randall Farmer wrote:
Some lame forger pretended Randall Farmer wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, there's no way in nine hells that Phillip R. Zimmermann could have wrote: ...
However, I have reassessed my views of who truly has a right to control access to privacy and have come to the conclusion that privacy is too important an issue to be left in the hands of the individual, with the obvious potential for misuse.
Hmm...I haven't checked any signatures or headers yet, but something tells me that this ain't PRZ. For example, the Organization: header refers to Orwell's 1984 as a "blueprint"...forget the signatures (just got a message saying they match -- either that person's lying, "they" cracked his key, or it's some detail that has the program using a different key/ignoring some text), it is psychologically impossible for someone to go from privacy advocate to 1984-as-a-blueprint that quick.
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The above is a lame forgery by some troublemaker, and only serves to underscore PRZ's new position, namely, that access to privacy should be supervised by people who have shown that they have the maturity to act responsibly, as evidenced by their success in a corporate atmosphere.
I am PGP signing this post so that there can be no doubt as to its source and authenticity. Cypherpunks list subscribers should be more careful about checking signatures before believing everything they read.
Randall Farmer rfarmer@hiwaay.net http://hiwaay.net/~rfarmer
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv
iQA/AwUBNFAK/BpRm26Z4YsSEQIA0wCeJZ7R9w/XfDuE0HMo+eP/0ihYOykAoNef Gt1hIbRHpYtJ1jp/79hWZl0G =E9PX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randall Farmer rfarmer@hiwaay.net http://hiwaay.net/~rfarmer
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In order to clear up some confusion in regard to recent posts to the cypherpunks and coderpunks lists, I would like to remind PGP users that the only way to truly check the authenticity of any message is by verifying the PGP signature of a message with the copy on the PGP Key Server. Now that we have Key Server technolgy fully developed, all of the paranoid warnings in the original PGP documentation no longer apply, as long as a person takes the time to compare message signatures to the original keys held on the PGP Key Server. Since PRZ sometimes spells his first name with _one_ 'l' and sometimes with _two_, it can be confusing. Likewise, his occasional spelling of his last name with _one_ 'n' and then with _two_ on other occassions. I vary the spelling of my own name--between 'Marc' and 'Mark', and occasionally, 'Marck'--but as long as you can verify my middle digital signature, you can be assured it is me sending the message. Please distribute this message as widely as possible, so that PGP users realize that adhering to the principles espoused in the original PGP documentation only makes us all look like a bunch of paranoid lunatics. Marck ~~~~~ "I can put my dick in my ear...can you?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNFAZVxurK3YPheUYEQLhQwCdHlpQi3QrVchZu0pfHGWcTlb7TXEAoI/R eeFnnXIvATOoSbAFmUVnmis9 =3MQh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Phillip R. Zimmermann wrote:
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PRZ ~~~ "I don't put them in the PGPtray...I just turn on the GAK." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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iQA/AwUBNE/sV17MfpC8gEO7EQKaCQCePKAo033KBg/O/T9Nz5IrGLIcCZcAn0L4 JDtdMovT9RZKA4PXwJTNdvpr =Xvzl - -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv
iQA/AwUBNE/svUlfPVhsMJvfEQI2zgCg8aQ15PEU4eNItEprsLQHd2259fIAn2a1 wwKyecnoEQuCElB3ZtJBZQBz =53jb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
My name is spelled Philip, not Phillip. --prz At 8:44 PM -0500 10/23/97, Randall Farmer wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, there's no way in nine hells that Phillip R. Zimmermann could have wrote: ...
However, I have reassessed my views of who truly has a right to control access to privacy and have come to the conclusion that privacy is too important an issue to be left in the hands of the individual, with the obvious potential for misuse.
Hmm...I haven't checked any signatures or headers yet, but something tells me that this ain't PRZ. For example, the Organization: header refers to Orwell's 1984 as a "blueprint"...forget the signatures (just got a message saying they match -- either that person's lying, "they" cracked his key, or it's some detail that has the program using a different key/ignoring some text), it is psychologically impossible for someone to go from privacy advocate to 1984-as-a-blueprint that quick.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randall Farmer rfarmer@hiwaay.net http://hiwaay.net/~rfarmer
Damn, but Toto's improving with those forgeries... I'm not at all expert on forgeries, but usually you can spot Toto's because it says : X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U) in the headers, other tell tales signs being headers with sk.sympatico.ca in the header such as this: : Received: from default (orenco30.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.99.30]) by : wombat.sk.sympatico.ca with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA28139 for : <cypherpunks@toad.com>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:33:57 -0600 (CST) But this one, can anyone see anything wrong with this... no sympatico, no X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U), someone knows how to forge well, or PRZ has developed a sense of humor about this CMR business. Full headers follow. Adam Received: from www.video-collage.com [199.232.240.107] by hermes via ESMTP (TAA06933); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:17:50 +0100 Received: (from ichudov@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08153 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sirius.infonex.com (sirius.infonex.com [206.170.114.2]) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08141 for <cypherpunks@algebra.com>; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA16816; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rigel.cyberpass.net (root@rigel.infonex.com [206.170.114.3]) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16810 for <cpunks@sirius.infonex.com>; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by rigel.cyberpass.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09467 for <cypherpunks@cyberpass.net>; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16579 for cypherpunks-unedited-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fusebox.pgp.com (fusebox.pgp.com [205.180.136.16]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16574; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.180.136.41] (shiva1.pgp.com [205.180.136.41]) by fusebox.pgp.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14655; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:01:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: prz@mail.pgp.com Message-Id: <v03007802b07692bd74f3@[205.180.136.41]> In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.96.971023202351.6541A-100000@fly.HiWAAY.net> References: <344FEE15.673F@pgp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:02:22 -0700 To: Randall Farmer <rfarmer@HiWAAY.net> From: Philip Zimmermann <prz@pgp.com> Subject: Re: PRZ Announcement Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com, coderpunks@toad.com Sender: owner-cypherpunks@Algebra.COM Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: cypherpunks@algebra.com X-List-Admin: ichudov@algebra.com X-Loop: cypherpunks@algebra.com Status: R My name is spelled Philip, not Phillip. --prz
In my last message to this list, I pointed out that my name is spelled Philip. I neglected to point out that I also did not write the message allegedly from me (or from Phillip). This is why that for signed messages, we need to make sure that the signing key is properly signed by trusted introducers. --prz At 8:44 PM -0500 10/23/97, Randall Farmer wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, there's no way in nine hells that Phillip R. Zimmermann could have wrote: ...
However, I have reassessed my views of who truly has a right to control access to privacy and have come to the conclusion that privacy is too important an issue to be left in the hands of the individual, with the obvious potential for misuse.
Hmm...I haven't checked any signatures or headers yet, but something tells me that this ain't PRZ. For example, the Organization: header refers to Orwell's 1984 as a "blueprint"...forget the signatures (just got a message saying they match -- either that person's lying, "they" cracked his key, or it's some detail that has the program using a different key/ignoring some text), it is psychologically impossible for someone to go from privacy advocate to 1984-as-a-blueprint that quick.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randall Farmer rfarmer@hiwaay.net http://hiwaay.net/~rfarmer
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Phillip R. Zimmermann
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Randall Farmer