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Brian D Williams writes: Excellent point Bill! Lets not forget that IBM owns Lotus Notes, be sure to include that in your bashing. They caved in on Lucifer after all. ;)

"Perry E Metzger" <perry@piermont.com> adds: Lucifer isn't stronger than DES, so it wasn't a cave in. An understanding of differential cryptanalysis makes all the difference...

True, I was refering to them halving the original key length. Brian