At 8:45 AM -0700 11/25/97, Anonymous wrote:

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[ok, there we go again... this will be my last post on the subject which is way-off topic by now. If it wasn't for the reference to Vichy I wouldn't answer on the list]

There is no such thing as an off topic post on the new cypherpunks list, at least according to Tim May and Monty Cantsin. Whatever interests them is automatically on-topic.

Notice I chose not to debate Jim Choate in gory detail about his interpretation of the origins of the world wars...I limited my comment to my early comment, that the U.S. has not been in any legitimate wars for nearly two centuries. This has crypto anarchy relevance in that strong crypto will undermine the ability of the U.S. government to fight foreign wars and engange in foreign entanglements. How this will happen should be obvious. Yes, I talk about what interests me. A single essay I _write_ represents my views. I avoid cc:ing the list with forwarded stuff from Yahoo, as some are wont to do. Thus, I feel no guilt about writing some essay or article on something of interest to me. The Cypherpunks list is NOT moderated, and has no official charter. In the last few years, many have left because what they really wanted to talk about were job-related crypto questions, or SET, or Mondex, or elliptic curve systems, and they didn't want to hear about the political implications, the FBI actions, the effects on currencies, etc. Thus were the lists "coderpunks" and "cryptography" born. Both are moderated by their owners, and hence Anonymous may be happier spending his or her time on one or both of these lists. And there are several other "owned" lists out there. Me, I don't like someone announcing that my essay is "off-topic," or mentions some forbidden topic. So I stay off those owned lists. It works for me. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."