The recent NYT article about the NFS work (nominally about the NFS work, I wouldn't call "spoofing NFS" to be tantamount to being able to spoof any file xfer over the internet) stresses that the internet wasn't built for security, yadd yadda yadda and therefore isn't very useful for internet commerce at this point. I urge everyone who talks to the media about this to stress export restrictions.. The infrastructure *would* be in place by now if we didn't have export restrictions. Deployed encryption at the IP level would be much easier if we didn't have export restrictions, etc. etc. Now that the potential for big bucks are obviously on the line maybe, (They always were on the line, it is just more obvious now) just maybe, enogh large corporations will invest in lobbying for the removal of export restrictions that it will get done. -- sameer Voice: 510-601-9777 Community ConneXion FAX: 510-601-9734 The Internet Privacy Provider Dialin: 510-658-6376 http://www.c2.org (or login as "guest") sameer@c2.org