Re: Larry Gilbert, AOLers, and the Hyper-real flamer

Hmm, well, you were wrong about many things. The ISP runs RH5.1 I don't use the passwd file for anything, as it is shadowed. I don't work there. I use 100 accounts because it is so easy to get all the new users, and the changed passwords with the way they are set up, so why stop at one, and if that one is disabled, I would like something to fall back on. You just don't understand anything about why I do what I do. If you were illegally using an account, would you want to ONLY have 1? Why wouldn't you want to know you had something to fall back on if that one is disabled?

AIMSX@aol.com wrote:
Hmm, well, you were wrong about many things. The ISP runs RH5.1
Which is not significant to this discussion, as Linux does NFS too. You have raised an irrelevant point in your (attempt at a) defense. Me: 1 You: 0
I don't use the passwd file for anything, as it is shadowed.
What part of "or equivalent" don't you understand? If you don't already know, even in a shadowed system, the encrypted passwords reside *somewhere*. If you knew that already, you have again raised an irrelevant point in your attempt at a defense. Me: 2 You: 0
I don't work there.
So? I was just giving an example of what it is to have an account on a network which uses NFS. I won't even bother awarding myself a point for this one, but you lose one, for such a pointless statement. Me: 2 You: -1
I use 100 accounts because it is so easy to get all the new users, and the changed passwords with the way they are set up, so why stop at one, and if that one is disabled, I would like something to fall back on.
Ohhhh, I see. You really *do* have 100 different logins! Now, back to my original question: "Wtf do you use 100 different accounts for?" Hmm, so what you're essentially saying is, you're doing some stuff that might get your account disabled (such as email bombing, spamming, posting moronic stuff to usenet, or downloading too much kiddie porn). Now let's all think really hard for a second. Who could possibly be the cause of any disabling that occurs to this fellow's account? Could it be, the ISP? *YES*, (you win a cookie). Now, if the ISP's sysadmin looks at this fellow's account and says, hmm, I'm going to disable this loser's account, mightn't that very same sysadmin think to himself, "ooo, look at this, the guy's got 99 other accounts. Maybe I'd better disable them, too, otherwise, disabling this one account won't have much of an effect." Ok class, it's time for a quiz. In the scenario above, what kind of good would having 100 different accounts at the same ISP do you? The answer? Absolutely None.
You just don't understand anything about why I do what I do.
No no, I understand completely. You're an idiot. :)
If you were illegally using an account, would you want to ONLY have 1?
Oh, you're using it *illegally*? Why didn't you say so *before*? In that case, my flaming becomes so much easier. When your (unwitting) ISP disables one of your accounts, they will very likely run a check on their system for any other little nasties which may be around. (as they will assume that their system has been compromised at superuser level) They will very easily find the accounts which shouldn't technically exist, and delete them. If, on the other hand, you've just found the passwords for a bunch of otherwise legitimate users, you'll be screwed when the ISP sends an email to all the users telling them to change their passwords.
Why wouldn't you want to know you had something to fall back on if that one is disabled?
Because having X number of extra accounts at a single ISP will *not* give you anything to fall back upon when one of them is disabled. But don't worry, I seriously doubt that you have the knowledge necessary to do anything more obnoxious than send foolish emails to the cypherpunks list.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you are using the accounts of others without permission then you are a thief and you don't come up to the standards of the least intelligent user at AOL or anywhere else for that matter. You will eventually be caught and hopefully be put away somewhere dark where the guards will not care how loud you scream. Of course you will think this is an empty threat but it is not a threat at all. It is a prediction. You are to young and stupid to cover your tracks well enough to not be caught. If you are just boasting then grow up! Edwin At 05:01 PM 9/17/98 EDT, you wrote:
Hmm, well, you were wrong about many things. The ISP runs RH5.1
I don't use the passwd file for anything, as it is shadowed.
I don't work there.
I use 100 accounts because it is so easy to get all the new users, and the changed passwords with the way they are set up, so why stop at one, and if that one is disabled, I would like something to fall back on.
You just don't understand anything about why I do what I do. If you were illegally using an account, would you want to ONLY have 1? Why wouldn't you want to know you had something to fall back on if that one is disabled?
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AIMSX@aol.com
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Edwin E. Smith
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Michael Hohensee