-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Pat Farrell <pfarrell@netcom.com> wrote: <snip>

But this raises a question (please, not to start a f-war) as to what is a "spook"?

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Are contractors such as Mitre, E-Systems, and TRW, who do mega-dollars of work each year considered spooks? I think some are, as they are effectively out-sourced civil servants.

I think the spook-test, to be fair, needs to be based on something objective, like equipment carried or used. Guns are an easy "yes," as are certain listening devices, etc. Others can probably add to this equipment list, and some of us, considering Mena, might include drugs or large chunks of cash. I certainly would. <g>

I guess I could simply walk into the Soviet Embassy and ask them where the US spooks are. It isn't a secret from anyone but uninformed citizens.

Amen. CIA office locations are much less "secret" in other countries than they are in the US. Often, a taxi driver knows exactly where the CIA "safehouses" are in many Latin-American countries. <snip>

Is there an ethical question buried here? Making it easy for another nut to kill mere working stiffs by posting the locations?

Yes, but these locations are no-doubt easy for motivated nuts to find. "Military secrets are the most fleeting kind." [Spock on "Star Trek"]

Disclaimer: I'm kinda split on this, I've been on this list a long time, but my dad, wife, and brother work or worked in town for the government. I hope that Tim's revolution is quite and peaceful.

AGREED! If it's not, it will fail. "War is the health of the state." [I forget who said that.] Contra the many raving media accounts, the vast majority in the libertarian/"anarchist" movement were and are quite opposed to the idea of vigilante-murder through bombing Federal buildings full of mere working stiffs, especially those of us who just happened to be working in a Federal Building. [I was. It wasn't any fun that day...] :-( JMR <snip> - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh iQCVAwUBMCgiSW1lp8bpvW01AQHSVQQAn6fdXfLMlCA9RLNJpr9N3CqrwmdEmTXZ 95yAdIHiOwkzjg7pvTcBIuifnLV0pdDHO0f+BXHiw2BW06ED8rK+nJIZm0OmVsIL FVnaWCGEVDc9SrSYByrwy5s5nM/g30L8wRQeo7yAKg/0w5zUR4WOaQrKcnLBDaPO 4P42ckNkg8k= =3+HE - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Regards, Jim Ray "The people will again respect the law when the law again respects the will of the people." Jim Ray, Campaign '92 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PGP key Fingerprint 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 Key id. # E9BD6D35 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Support the Phil Zimmermann (Author of PGP) Legal Defense Fund! email: zldf@clark.net or visit http://www.netresponse.com/zldf ________________________________________________________________________ - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMCgnTyoZzwIn1bdtAQGjOAGA25mHQfQvxsgc8TR+34tGK1BAUB4egwJR N3tNre54vJT2QkxQ/l0rMlPblYbcIbWE =Sm3E -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----