At 11:05 PM 8/16/96 -0400, you wrote:

There are many computer companies that are full of Bozos, Microsoft isn't one of them. Most of the people griping about Microsoft can't code any better.

Gee Phill, as I'm preparing to leave MS after 6 years, I have to disagree with you. Mediocrity and bureaucracy have eatten away at a lot of the core of the company. It is entirely marketing driven now, and the coders have definitely gone down hill since I first started in Apps. The "bozo" factor has steadily increased. Only those new hires without a sense of history think it's a real cool place to work. And, a few egocentric folks totally tripped on power and greed. (Apologies to any MSofties on the list I don't know personally.) Talk to HR about the turnover of people with 5.5 to 8 years under their belts who are bailing with their stock options because it ain't a fun place to work anymore. Testers, developers, UE, you name it. I can gripe because I was there. I never seem to recall seeing your name on any internal e-mail. Oh yeah, this is coming through a remailer, because I'm reading the list at work. And I doubt BillG would appreciate my opinions being sent out over MS resources.